Bangkok Reports

[Member #4591]

I never knew there was a 10,000 baht note. Never seen one before. But since only 2nd time in Thailand, maybe they do exist. 1,000 baht notes are a lightish brown color, and what one gets from the ATM typically.

It was a typo. I gave Pap 1,000 baht at the bar. I rolled the 1,000 baht note up, and put it between her little tits in her halter top. And my bill for the lady drinks was 1,250 baht and I gave the waitress a tip of 50 baht. Of the 1,250 baht bill, all of it was lady drinks except for the 1 Singha I had, as I don't really drink much.

Total cost 2,300 baht.

Maybe it helped that she spoke Lao as her first language, as many from Issan speak it, and I had learned a little Lao. Sabaidee (Hello), korp jai lie lie (Thank you very much); etc. Probably also helped that we had really good chemistry together, laughing and being silly.

On the other hand, my Baccara experience that I posted in the same report, from the prior night, sucked, which makes this event even more amazing.

I don't really care what folks think, but this is what happened. 2nd time in Thailand, first was in 2008, right after Int'l airport opened, and now this trip.

Check my member profile. My postings are all from 2004-08 in Brazil, carribean, and Mex. With pics of the garotas de programas that I did back then.

If not believing this report, I suggest you skip my report in the phuket section. Had a great time there too.

Thanks for the endorsement on my post earlier. I would like to chime in on this one. The two seniors questioning your report don't mean any harm. They are both good guys who contribute solid info to the board Sygs and Tooms. Normally how it works as you know from Baccara is you pay the bar fine and the drink bill in the bar and the ST or LT fee to the lady after the deed is done. How you managed to get out of paying the ST or LT fee is beyond me but kudos to you if you did. I'm inclined to say and think that little Pap just fucked up and forgot to collect her fee or even mention it to you. Being new and all and having those 2 Thai men gossiping you and her out front of the hotel could of led to her storming off and forgetting to ask for her fee. Coincidently, Cowboy 2 and Dollhouse are also two bars known for having inflated barfines and more expensive ST and LT rates as they try to take on a more coyote bar business model that justifies the extra fees and higher prices. Anyways, welcome back to the forum and please continue posting. I don't see any reason for you to lie.

On a side note, there are other members on this board who like to over embellish their reports and I even verified that the report of one of those members was a total fabrication. I paid a visit to the bar in question and asked where the girls were. I was told there were never any girls there. Therefore, some members do lie hence the skepticism. Don't take it personally.

[EihTooms]

Shame on you guys.

And I don't think this forum needs a mother telling us what to do.

That latter quote was such good advice. Why don't you try taking it sometime?

[Blanquiceleste]

This sounds like a total fantas and no way I believe it.

Your bill for 1250 does not seem to be enough to cover the BF and the drinks, unless you are some bargain basement bar. Just doesn't sound possible in 2018.

So there is a little cheerleader type go-go dancer in either Dollhouse or Cowboy 2 on Soi Cowboy who is up for wild abandon bareback sex for only 1,000 baht, including the barfine. Or was that no barfine to the bar and just 1,000 baht to her? Or was it only 1,000 baht barfine and the little cheerleader girl goes for free? Maybe I missed something there.

My, my, but things have certainly improved in those Soi Cowboy bars! I might mosy on over there tonight to see if little Pap is free and hasn't been swamped and booked up solid every 2 hours for the next couple of years.

Of course, the funniest outcome (although not for Pap) would be if Pap THOUGHT he had agreed to and peeled off 10000 baht to give to the mamasan to hold for her and it was only when she returned to the bar later that she discovered the horrible truth. lol.

Another theory is she expected to receive huge bonus payment and was shocked to not receive it, said nothing (Thais can be like that), and walked off angry (not looking back) having been stiffed, the so called 3 Thai guys not being relevant at all. Plenty of bargirls have reported to me problems with guys not paying after sex.

It is quite sad to the see senior members pounce upon a BM who came to this thread and posted a FR after a long time. Congratulations. You have managed to discourage that guy from posting here again and potentially several other members reading this thread.

Why is it so hard to believe someone other than yourself had a good time? You have no trouble believing someone had a crappy time, do you? Is it because that makes you feel good? That you are not alone is getting suckered? Or you take pleasure in someone else's misery? Whatever it is, this leaves a bad taste. Shame on you guys.

[Blanquiceleste]

I never knew there was a 10,000 baht note. Never seen one before. But since only 2nd time in Thailand, maybe they do exist. 1,000 baht notes are a lightish brown color, and what one gets from the ATM typically.

SNIP

I don't really care what folks think, but this is what happened. 2nd time in Thailand, first was in 2008, right after Int'l airport opened, and now this trip.

You did well my friend. All that matters is you had a great time. You don't have to prove anything to anyone on this forum.

There are two kinds of people. One kind who will sit behind a keyboard and theorize and try to find holes in your report, while letting their own imagination run wild and justify to themselves that your report is not a true account. And then there are others who will quietly follow the lead and go have a good time with Pap. Go figure.

[Member #4591]

I'm glad to see more reports in the BKK section recently. I have enjoyed reading them all. Please keep it up and thanks to everyone who has contributed.

[Member #4591]

I agree was one of the best reports ever and certainly for a few years. I would add the proviso about choosing a girl wisely to getting what we want. Plenty of times I got a poor girl, but know very well I could have been more careful in the choice.

Since we are being so candid about BBFS, I wonder if it would be rude to ask a question about this, without being a safe sex preacher at all. We all know how much better BBFS can be over covered. Likely to enjoy twice as much, and twice as likely.

Can I ask about how risky is the BBFS, realistically. I put up first by stating I have had Chlamydia twice, once from either BBFS with Thai girl in home country (she denies having anything at all) or from a BBBJ from older girl at the Grace (No FS). Other time was in one eye only, dick not infected, from a "JOne" girl. One other discharge case was tested and found not to be an STD (the girl did not give it to me and did not have it either). In last 13 years, I have had a regular GF, and I have had no STDs, however BBFS has been limited to a special girl or the odd brief one from condom breakage or slip off. Also have been tested regularly in recent years.

From what I read, new HIV cases have declined a lot over the years. Probably was more dangerous back 15 to 20 years ago. Not sure if other STDs are declining or growing. I do know that non-hookers are almost as likely to have an STD than hookers because they BBFS a lot.

So my question is, if a guy does mostly BBFS in Bangkok, what is the expected number of basic STDs (not HIV)? As much as one a year, or less, and are the lowest class girls the most risky? Are Tulip and SW girls risky? I ask these questions from point of view, that if I should start BBFSing more than before, what is the likely level of risk. I am not trying to debate if condoms totally prevent risk but assume that using them reduces risk. One buddy came to Bangkok for first time, and had the Gonner within a few days. Seems to be easy to catch from bad bargirls without a condom, or from any girl with suspect customers.

Do you have any views about girls' risking pregnancy? It is well known that taking the pill is not foolproof, but a combination of pill and condom use makes pregnancy significantly less likely, or even condoms and morning after pill after accidents. Many Thai girls will not have an abortion for religious reasons, so some girls do get pregnant to customers and still have the baby. I am aware of an Oily MP girl with a rather dark skinned baby (presumably not full Thai) and she claimed she was taking the pill, and another bargirl I knew had a half Farang baby, as examples. Are there any extra ways Thai hookers reduce pregnancy risk? I heard the 3 monthly injections are not that infallible also. Clearly regularly bare backing girls could have no clues who the father is. The withdrawal method of birth control is also considered very unreliable, but used in combination with the pill, may give fairly good coverage. Is that the main reason why girls request not to CIP?

What is the reaction to guys that CIP when not permitted?

Do you believe that guys are permitted BBFS somewhat based on levels of trust, i.e. maybe not all guys given same service?

I will only tell you that I haven't caught anything yet but I'm pretty sure that the girls I have been with in that capacity don't give BBFS up to every customer. However, it would be naive of me to think that I'm the only one. I can only tell you that I'm not the type of guy to go with hardcore freelancers in BKK or Pattaya and those are the ladies I would worry about. The oily girls have to stay healthy or it's not easy to work. Same with the Go Go girls. I have also never CIP when the girl asked me not to. In all my encounters where I have CIP, I always got permission to do so. BBFS is one thing, but one would be a complete asshole to CIP without permission. Anyways, enough about this topic as I'm afraid it will bring out the safe sex police. They have been in hiding for a while and I don't wish for them to come out.

[Member #4591]

Bkkdog,

I salute you for the excellent newbie guide and tips. The only scene I'm familiar here is the Smooci's though I've always been curious about go-go bars. I'm a bit on the shy side so Smooci has been helpful and most importantly reasonably priced.

I'll try the go-go bar scene but for ST and LT- how long are we talking here and how many shots is expected? 4-6 k for a night would be terrific especially morning's sex in the menu.

And by the way, I prefer to stay in Sathorn / Wireless- will it affect my experience had I not stayed in Sukhumvit area?

ST is generally 1 shot and 1-2 hours depending on the girl. LT is whatever you and the girl agree upon but the standard is one or two shots in the night and one in the morning.

[Tiny 12]

Exact same thing happened to me when I was 24, in the US none the less. Took for ever to get "better. " Better was all I got. Never 100% since. Turned me from a shooter to a dribbler. Dr said if he'd have come in blindfolded judging from the size of my prostate at the time he would have thought I was 50 up. Said not to worry that by the time I was 50 they'd have great drugs. Well, not really and thankfully I don't need them; yet.

Oh man, that doesn't sound like fun. Mine pretty much went away after about 10 years. And when it was acting up a round of doxycycline would knock it out for a while.

[Tiny 12]

Unprotected sex, regardless of whether it's with prostitutes or civilians, can totally fuck up your life. I speak from experience.

If you got burned just once or twice, then you are just like me (years ago).

I wish I'd been as cautious as you earlier on in my life. Things would have turned out a whole lot better. A bigger concern than how STD's affect your health is the effect of bareback sex on the people and the world around you. A Thai prostitute may not be barebacking a different customer every week. But she might be looking to have a luk krueng child with a generous guy like you. Or she might want to blackmail you. Or you might get an STD from her and then give it to your girlfriend or wife.

If you google "prevalence rate (name of STD) prostitutes Thailand" and "transmission rate (name of STD)" and spend a bit of time reading you'll get a handle pretty quickly on what the risks are. I probably misspoke when I said you'd be lucky to last a month without getting an STD if you barebacked a couple of providers a week. If you assume an 8% prevalence rate for Thai prostitutes for chlamydia (probably low) and a 32% transmission rate, then consider there are lots of other STD's, maybe it would be more accurate to say you'd be lucky to last a quarter (3 months).

A large percentage of people with chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes or HPV are asymptomatic or don't notice the symptoms. I suspect many who had chlamydia or gonorrhea were subsequently cleared of it when they took antibiotics for other conditions. HPV is hard to diagnose in men. A physician has to identify some kind of a spot on the penis that he thinks may be HPV, then biopsy it and then send it in to a lab for testing. Many or most physicians don't routinely test for herpes, since a large percentage of the population has it and you can't cure it.

Also, there are the lucky few who have great immune systems and were wise enough to get a vasectomy. I wish I were one of them.

[EihTooms]

Yes I am nave in the sense that I am not aware of exactly how often one would likely catch an STD. Simply because I have not been risking it in general. If a girl offers BB too easily, I would not want to take her up on it most likely. I did state the case of the buddy that caught one in his first few days in Thailand. That was good enough evidence of risk for me. Obviously if the both the girl and the guy are somewhat exclusive in who they BB, and both get tested regularly as well, the risk is massively diminished. So for example I do BBFS with GF but I don't alternate BBing her and others, and I do get tested regularly, and especially after any condom accident. Even BBBJ has some risk.

I thought it would be useful to get some opinions from those more experienced in barebacking regularly, which is why I asked. I also pointed out the risk of causing unwanted babies.

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I think the problem with asking barebackers what is the percentage of times they get an STD or how often they get one (if I understand the jist of your question) is the answer is practically unknowable unless they are getting tested regularly for all STDs and keep a detailed log on how many times they barebacked since their last clean test result. And even that would not tell anyone, including themselves, what the percentage would be for them going forward. And certainly not tell anyone else anything of value. We all react too differently to potential infection I suppose.

I have been barebacking for about 47 years, by now thousands of different women from various countries, most of them P4P. Yet the only STD I ever got was a dose of easily treatable trichomonas about 46 years ago from a non pro university age girlfriend. That is up to and including extensive tests I took for anything and everything that might be causing an ache in my groin area a few years back (it was a soft tissue or muscle strain, never found out conclusively. But virtually every test was conducted to find out what the hell it was) and a thorough blood, "take a leak" and "poo-poo" (thwarting the Code Word restrictions here) test about a month ago on anything that might concern a very picky health insurance company that I was in no danger of making a claim for anything over the next few years. I have had separate tests for HPV while I was in the process of getting the vaccine series for it recently. Tested for gono. And there is my usual every 1-2 months HIV/Syphilis test at Thai Red Cross.

All I can say is I have had no symptoms or evidence of any STD in my body all this time. A couple of times I had abrasions on the shaft of my dick after a session I knew would probably result in such a thing due to overly aggressive cowgirl action on it. I smeared an over the counter medicated ointment on it and it was gone by the evening of the next day. One other time time I didn't have any medicated ointment around and only smeared some generic hand lotion on it. It was gone in exactly the same amount of time, a little over a day.

On the other hand, we have all heard stories about guys who went bareback once and wound up with everything short of leprosy.

I have a buddy who claims to come down with something every other month even THROUGH the condoms he also claims to use sometime. Even through covered BJ! But he also goes bareback whenever he gets the chance. By my reckoning, he claims to have gotten something more often through the condoms than after he has gone bareback. In fact, I am not sure he has ever complained of getting something after going bareback, only after he wore a condom. So go figure.

Unwanted pregnancy has never been an issue for me since I got a vasectomy about 30 years ago. Before then, I suppose the girls' birth control pills were doing their job well.

[Goatscrot]

Words of wisdom Goatscrot. You don't have to be over 50 to get something in your prostate. I had chlamydia when I was in my early 30's that went untreated, and my urologist believed that caused chronic prostatitis. That shit stuck with me for many years.

Exact same thing happened to me when I was 24, in the US none the less. Took for ever to get "better. " Better was all I got. Never 100% since. Turned me from a shooter to a dribbler. Dr said if he'd have come in blindfolded judging from the size of my prostate at the time he would have thought I was 50 up. Said not to worry that by the time I was 50 they'd have great drugs. Well, not really and thankfully I don't need them; yet.

[Syzygies]

Sincerely, through the years you've been one of the top contributors on ISG. I'm more likely to read your posts, just because you wrote them. Given that, this post is incredibly naive. Maybe that's a good thing, as it means you haven't barebacked enough providers to have much experience with the perils of unprotected sex.

Yes I am nave in the sense that I am not aware of exactly how often one would likely catch an STD. Simply because I have not been risking it in general. If a girl offers BB too easily, I would not want to take her up on it most likely. I did state the case of the buddy that caught one in his first few days in Thailand. That was good enough evidence of risk for me. Obviously if the both the girl and the guy are somewhat exclusive in who they BB, and both get tested regularly as well, the risk is massively diminished. So for example I do BBFS with GF but I don't alternate BBing her and others, and I do get tested regularly, and especially after any condom accident. Even BBBJ has some risk.

I thought it would be useful to get some opinions from those more experienced in barebacking regularly, which is why I asked. I also pointed out the risk of causing unwanted babies.

I took more than one long term test for HSV-1 and 2 and got failed to get a conclusive result. One test positive and another test by Red Cross negative. So who knows? HPV (papilloma virus is extremely common). I thought everyone had warts or papilomas somewhere at some time. So not really one to be too worried about (unless you are a young girl and happen to get the uterine cancer risk strain).

Having had 1000s of BBBJs, one would expect to have caught a HSV virus at some point even if type 1 (cold sores) is far more likely, yet I still don't know for sure if ever caught it.

Remember that preaching on safe sex is not permitted, especially in the wrong thread, so I merely am seeking opinions about risk level based on the experience of those who BB as a habit. I don't have anything against them making there choice. Herpes was a hot topic when I was quite young and starting into sex but that topic went very quiet indeed when HIV arrived.

I appreciate Goat's advice re new strains of STDs hard to treat and admit to knowing very little about them. However my questions were really aimed at those that BBFS regularly with a variety of girls, since they are the ones with the experience to know how often an STD might be caught. If you got burned just once or twice, then you are just like me (years ago).

I expect lots of guys are BBing regularly, but only some of them are stating that they do so, e.g. Eih T and BKKDog, and some other buddies. I am sure they have decided the pleasures outweigh the risks for them. However would be useful many guys on the forum to have a clue of how often they will catch something, if they make it a general habit.

I have had certain regular girls that state they do not BB, too smart to do so, however it is not clear to me if they would weaken for very regular customers, and given testing certificates etc, or for extra money, as have not tried to push them on the topic. Girls are known to be liars on this topic. Also I don't know much about what percentage of girls are willing, since I did not ask them for it. Suppose I asked, and then said thanks but I don't actually want it. This would be considered rather impolite. Like asking the price to buy an item on the street when you don't actually want it at all. That is a no-no is Thai society.

[Tiny 12]

You are correct. Play bare enough and you will contract STDs. HIV however is not likely, but multi-drug resistant strains of chla and gon are on the rise. Yep, HPV and HSV II as well. Most guys who use condoms will eventually contract these as well. To think you will be immune is naive. And for us over 50 guys, get an infection that travels to the prostate and it is a b#%ch to get rid of. For most of us, and I don't "skin it" for vag or anal, it is a risk we are willing to take.

Words of wisdom Goatscrot. You don't have to be over 50 to get something in your prostate. I had chlamydia when I was in my early 30's that went untreated, and my urologist believed that caused chronic prostatitis. That shit stuck with me for many years.

[Goatscrot]

Sincerely, through the years you've been one of the top contributors on ISG. I'm more likely to read your posts, just because you wrote them. Given that, this post is incredibly naive. Maybe that's a good thing, as it means you haven't barebacked enough providers to have much experience with the perils of unprotected sex.

Anyway, just don't do it. You will get burned. If you start barebacking every hooker you're with, you will get STD's, chlamydia and HPV for sure, and it won't take long. A year? If you're doing a couple of different women a week you'd be lucky to last a month. The bigger concern is pregnancy. Unprotected sex, regardless of whether it's with prostitutes or civilians, can totally fuck up your life. I speak from experience.

Some joker on one of the boards like ISG long ago said he'd been with something like 1500 or 2000 women in southeast Asia bareback and never caught anything. Undoubtedly the guy would have contracted HPV, chlamydia and herpes. He might not have necessarily known it, as often people have these STD's but don't recognize the symptoms. But he had them, unless he had some kind of superhuman immune system. He disappeared after a while -- I figure he may have gotten HIV and passed away.

You are correct. Play bare enough and you will contract STDs. HIV however is not likely, but multi-drug resistant strains of chla and gon are on the rise. Yep, HPV and HSV II as well. Most guys who use condoms will eventually contract these as well. To think you will be immune is naive. And for us over 50 guys, get an infection that travels to the prostate and it is a b#%ch to get rid of. For most of us, and I don't "skin it" for vag or anal, it is a risk we are willing to take.

[Tiny 12]

I agree was one of the best reports ever and certainly for a few years. I would add the proviso about choosing a girl wisely to getting what we want. Plenty of times I got a poor girl, but know very well I could have been more careful in the choice.

Since we are being so candid about BBFS, I wonder if it would be rude to ask a question about this, without being a safe sex preacher at all. We all know how much better BBFS can be over covered. Likely to enjoy twice as much, and twice as likely.

Can I ask about how risky is the BBFS, realistically. I put up first by stating I have had Chlamydia twice, once from either BBFS with Thai girl in home country (she denies having anything at all) or from a BBBJ from older girl at the Grace (No FS). Other time was in one eye only, dick not infected, from a "JOne" girl. One other discharge case was tested and found not to be an STD (the girl did not give it to me and did not have it either). In last 13 years, I have had a regular GF, and I have had no STDs, however BBFS has been limited to a special girl or the odd brief one from condom breakage or slip off. Also have been tested regularly in recent years.

From what I read, new HIV cases have declined a lot over the years. Probably was more dangerous back 15 to 20 years ago. Not sure if other STDs are declining or growing. I do know that non-hookers are almost as likely to have an STD than hookers because they BBFS a lot.

So my question is, if a guy does mostly BBFS in Bangkok, what is the expected number of basic STDs (not HIV)? As much as one a year, or less, and are the lowest class girls the most risky? Are Tulip and SW girls risky? I ask these questions from point of view, that if I should start BBFSing more than before, what is the likely level of risk. I am not trying to debate if condoms totally prevent risk but assume that using them reduces risk. One buddy came to Bangkok for first time, and had the Gonner within a few days. Seems to be easy to catch from bad bargirls without a condom, or from any girl with suspect customers.

Do you have any views about girls' risking pregnancy? It is well known that taking the pill is not foolproof, but a combination of pill and condom use makes pregnancy significantly less likely, or even condoms and morning after pill after accidents. Many Thai girls will not have an abortion for religious reasons, so some girls do get pregnant to customers and still have the baby. I am aware of an Oily MP girl with a rather dark skinned baby (presumably not full Thai) and she claimed she was taking the pill, and another bargirl I knew had a half Farang baby, as examples. Are there any extra ways Thai hookers reduce pregnancy risk? I heard the 3 monthly injections are not that infallible also. Clearly regularly bare backing girls could have no clues who the father is. The withdrawal method of birth control is also considered very unreliable, but used in combination with the pill, may give fairly good coverage. Is that the main reason why girls request not to CIP?

What is the reaction to guys that CIP when not permitted?

Do you believe that guys are permitted BBFS somewhat based on levels of trust, i.e. maybe not all guys given same service?

Sincerely, through the years you've been one of the top contributors on ISG. I'm more likely to read your posts, just because you wrote them. Given that, this post is incredibly naive. Maybe that's a good thing, as it means you haven't barebacked enough providers to have much experience with the perils of unprotected sex.

Anyway, just don't do it. You will get burned. If you start barebacking every hooker you're with, you will get STD's, chlamydia and HPV for sure, and it won't take long. A year? If you're doing a couple of different women a week you'd be lucky to last a month. The bigger concern is pregnancy. Unprotected sex, regardless of whether it's with prostitutes or civilians, can totally fuck up your life. I speak from experience.

Some joker on one of the boards like ISG long ago said he'd been with something like 1500 or 2000 women in southeast Asia bareback and never caught anything. Undoubtedly the guy would have contracted HPV, chlamydia and herpes. He might not have necessarily known it, as often people have these STD's but don't recognize the symptoms. But he had them, unless he had some kind of superhuman immune system. He disappeared after a while -- I figure he may have gotten HIV and passed away.