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[Mr Ho]

This is an excellent psychology lesson. What happens to men's mentality and societies or civilizations as we know them when all women turn into haters of men and start withholding sexual access?

No worry, there always be prostitution, so professional prostitute hunter mongers will always prevail and be happy.

[Pistons]

People with high social status generally have high economic status as well. Although the opposite may not be true.

According to USA Bureau of Labor statistics, 38% of females made more than their husband. This means almost 4 out of 10 American men are able to "marry up". https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/18/mill...-husbands.html.

Overall, though men still make more than women in every European country. But that gap is not that large: "The lowest gender pay gap is in Romania (4. 5% followed by Luxembourg (5. 4 % Italy (6. 1% Belgium (6. 6%) and Slovenia (7. 0% The Netherlands (16.1%) and Latvia (17.3 %) are closest the most recent EU average (16.7%, 2014). " https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/th...omen-earn-more.

If what you say is true, then very soon RO women will stop seeking LTR with RO men.

Makes sense Romania scores high on that one. I recall Thailand was the first country in the world where women made more money than men in average. I suppose sex sales are the key in both places.

But regarding your final suggestion, it doesn't have to go that way even if Polyamorist is correct. Other factors such as national politics (fascist ratio), religious level of the population (USA scores higher than western Europe here) and even the comparatively stage the population has reached in terms of modernization indexes and where they are on maslows hierarchy of needs may play a role here. And so a family value index may be contrived from these other factors. But the deciding factor may still be as Polyamorist says: women earning more than men. While the other factors may be key factors too, but secondary.

[Mr Ho]

Yah, you are correct. I agree it is less unlikely. Senior homes. Hobbies. Don't FKK clubs offer senior discounts?

Also how does one define "romantic relationship"? Sometimes two widows get together. If two people in their 70's get together, I doubt they would view each other as the love of their life. They may just view each other as companions with mutual interests. Such a union might not be romantic in nature.

Artemis on Sunday has senior discount, girls tell me quite many of them can get it up with no problem and some fuck hardcore, but with suspicion of blue pill, whatta inspiration and thanks to science world that keeps on evolving LOL!

There was one gentle older man who was at least in his late 60's who began mongering after his wife passed away, so it is good that FKK serves as place for elderly people to feel young and live good sex life once again.

[McAdonis]

Axiom: women look for LTR with a guy of higher status, either social status or economic status or both. (By contrast a man is often quite happy with a partner of lower status. So this is a fundamental asymmetry between the sexes.).

People with high social status generally have high economic status as well. Although the opposite may not be true.

According to USA Bureau of Labor statistics, 38% of females made more than their husband. This means almost 4 out of 10 American men are able to "marry up". https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/18/mill...-husbands.html.

Overall, though men still make more than women in every European country. But that gap is not that large: "The lowest gender pay gap is in Romania (4. 5% followed by Luxembourg (5. 4 % Italy (6. 1% Belgium (6. 6%) and Slovenia (7. 0% The Netherlands (16.1%) and Latvia (17.3 %) are closest the most recent EU average (16.7%, 2014). " https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/th...omen-earn-more.

If what you say is true, then very soon RO women will stop seeking LTR with RO men.

[McAdonis]

True that these beneficial social interactions do not have to come in the form of romantic relationships; however, short of a life partner, how many childless 70 year old have enough social interaction? Many friends and family have passed. Work relationships are often no longer there due to retirement. Any remaining social interactions are few and far between. What else is there? Church? Volunteering? The people who have managed to stay childless bachelors that long are usually not the type to participate in such community oriented activities.

Yah, you are correct. I agree it is less unlikely. Senior homes. Hobbies. Don't FKK clubs offer senior discounts?

Also how does one define "romantic relationship"? Sometimes two widows get together. If two people in their 70's get together, I doubt they would view each other as the love of their life. They may just view each other as companions with mutual interests. Such a union might not be romantic in nature.

[ExpatLover]

There is an ethical problem with your question. That is if everyone has that beautiful supermodel girlfriend, there would be no available other beautiful girls left. So in essence it is an extremely selfish idea that won't work on a macro level. Thus rendering the ideology useless. Of course you can do swingers parties, but to which level of liberalness would you go there? Say if the female alternatives are low for the night, but for her the male alternatives are far higher. So she actually chooses two dudes ahead of you for a threesome unless she had been stuck as your girlfriend.

Of course, the problem with too many of today's singles around the world is that they are afraid of liberally committing half way through in fear of being stuck with someone not perfect.

There are woman to married and woman to party with, I don t know any guy proud to telling that his wife or GF is a prostitute.

[Pistons]

Your question belongs to another subject. But let me ask you this as a head start: Have you ever thought which is the better quality of life, to have a beautiful supermodel girlfriend while fucking other beautiful girls or to only fuck beautiful girls without a beautiful supermodel girlfriend?

There is an ethical problem with your question. That is if everyone has that beautiful supermodel girlfriend, there would be no available other beautiful girls left. So in essence it is an extremely selfish idea that won't work on a macro level. Thus rendering the ideology useless. Of course you can do swingers parties, but to which level of liberalness would you go there? Say if the female alternatives are low for the night, but for her the male alternatives are far higher. So she actually chooses two dudes ahead of you for a threesome unless she had been stuck as your girlfriend.

Of course, the problem with too many of today's singles around the world is that they are afraid of liberally committing half way through in fear of being stuck with someone not perfect.

[LMatador]

Axiom: women look for LTR with a guy of higher status, either social status or economic status or both. (By contrast a man is often quite happy with a partner of lower status. So this is a fundamental asymmetry between the sexes.).

Do they? I don't plan on marriage myself other than in the case of a woman with a (significantly) higher income.

If I was searching for a good partner in life, I would try to find a sex wife, a swinger .... Somebody who loves sex as much as I do and shares liberal views on all aspects of life, society, prostitution, and freedom of femininity

This would be a close second. The swinger couples I've met and those in the fetish scene seem to have the right idea.

[Chongmal]

Axiom: women look for LTR with a guy of higher status, either social status or economic status or both. (By contrast a man is often quite happy with a partner of lower status. So this is a fundamental asymmetry between the sexes.).

Thought experiment: what would happen globally if women had equal or greater status than men?

Clearly women would be unable to find partners they considered worthy. From the perspective of women, there would suddenly be a great shortage of men. From the perspective of men, there would suddenly be a great shortage of women, as no women would be interested in them and they would have to pay for sex nearly all the time. Marriage would fade to virtually nothing and with it the sense of contentment that some here ascribe to it. Instead: isolation, atomisation. All this without changing any actual sex ratio.

By now you figured out I am talking about more than just a thought experiment.

This is an excellent psychology lesson. What happens to men's mentality and societies or civilizations as we know them when all women turn into haters of men and start withholding sexual access?

[Pistons]

And for those who doesn't know what Luciferianism / Satanism says about sex:

http://www.dpjs.co.uk/sex.html

Sounds like most people's view on sex here on this forum doesn't it?

Also, at some point more and more jobs will be phased out due to automation, and we will get basic income. At that time the Agenda 2030 should probably be done, and then there will be less social / economic status differences. But until then it will be more and more as you say Polyamorist.

[Pistons]

Axiom: women look for LTR with a guy of higher status, either social status or economic status or both. (By contrast a man is often quite happy with a partner of lower status. So this is a fundamental asymmetry between the sexes.).

Thought experiment: what would happen globally if women had equal or greater status than men?

Clearly women would be unable to find partners they considered worthy. From the perspective of women, there would suddenly be a great shortage of men. From the perspective of men, there would suddenly be a great shortage of women, as no women would be interested in them and they would have to pay for sex nearly all the time. Marriage would fade to virtually nothing and with it the sense of contentment that some here ascribe to it. Instead: isolation, atomisation. All this without changing any actual sex ratio.

By now you figured out I am talking about more than just a thought experiment.

Indeed. Also known as a UN agenda for a few decades already. Guised as a global sustainability goal.

But it doesn't end there. I do believe Albert Pike's letter to Mazzini is way more than just a hoax. And in the end the true doctrine of Lucifer will take hold on earth. And what did Lucifer and his comrades do? Well, they were the Nephilim coming down to earth to have sex with earth women. Threatening earth as a brothel. Weather you like it or not, I am not sure anyone has much choice. So it will come.

[Takedown]

Or I can sit at home working on my blog while making dinner wearing an apron and no pants with my ass hanging until my wife comes home. Meanwhile I fix shit around the house and pick up the kids from school.

Your axiom is static and accounts for no dynamic variation.

Thought experiment: what would happen globally if women had equal or greater status than men?

Clearly women would be unable to find partners they considered worthy. From the perspective of women, there would suddenly be a great shortage of men. From the perspective of men, there would suddenly be a great shortage of women, as no women would be interested in them and they would have to pay for sex nearly all the time. Marriage would fade to virtually nothing and with it the sense of contentment that some here ascribe to it. Instead: isolation, atomisation. All this without changing any actual sex ratio.

By now you figured out I am talking about more than just a thought experiment.

[Polyamorist]

But until then, the hordes of singles will just grow. Not withstanding the imbalanced sex ratio in many countries and women seeking careers in the west just to find out there is a lack of career men suitable for their own social class around, because women have better grades at school and can start their careers 5 years before the man. And no women want an old guy as partner any longer because of me too. LOL.

This is global high level of social engineering. It is ingenious in order to reduce the world population and save the planet. A conspiracy theory by a single guy yes. But think about, and it makes sense. How far do you believe in random occurrences?

Axiom: women look for LTR with a guy of higher status, either social status or economic status or both. (By contrast a man is often quite happy with a partner of lower status. So this is a fundamental asymmetry between the sexes.).

Thought experiment: what would happen globally if women had equal or greater status than men?

Clearly women would be unable to find partners they considered worthy. From the perspective of women, there would suddenly be a great shortage of men. From the perspective of men, there would suddenly be a great shortage of women, as no women would be interested in them and they would have to pay for sex nearly all the time. Marriage would fade to virtually nothing and with it the sense of contentment that some here ascribe to it. Instead: isolation, atomisation. All this without changing any actual sex ratio.

By now you figured out I am talking about more than just a thought experiment.

[Takedown]

What you observed doesn't surprise me at all. Married life forces people to have more social interactions. Social interactions are one of the keys to mental and even physical health. It ranks up there with exercise and diet. My stance is that these social interactions need not be romantic in nature.

True that these beneficial social interactions do not have to come in the form of romantic relationships; however, short of a life partner, how many childless 70 year old have enough social interaction? Many friends and family have passed. Work relationships are often no longer there due to retirement. Any remaining social interactions are few and far between. What else is there? Church? Volunteering? The people who have managed to stay childless bachelors that long are usually not the type to participate in such community oriented activities.

"Fujiwara says that urban Japanese parents lead increasingly isolated lives -- removed from the extended family and tight-knit communities of previous generations -- and simply don't know how to teach their children to communicate and negotiate relationships with peers."

"Removed from extended family and tight-knit communities," sounds like many immigrant parents in America, especially Asian American parents.

[Mr Ho]

What you observed doesn't surprise me at all. Married life forces people to have more social interactions. Social interactions are one of the keys to mental and even physical health. It ranks up there with exercise and diet. My stance is that these social interactions need not be romantic in nature.

On the surface hikikomari does not have a lot to do with mongering. Someone pointed out hikikomari stay in their room while mongers travel the world. But this NYT article below encapsulates how hikikomari see the world, "(it is) better to stay in your room than risk venturing into the world and failing". I view the room as being a safe place. One is constantly retreating to safe, controlled environments where one cannot be rejected (brothel, video games, online forums where they can make themselves feel superior etc).

Other quotes from article:.

To extend on that thought, to me, thinking exactly as society enforced you is Hikikomori too in thinking because some or fair to say most people are so boxed thinking that they do not even realize they only can think inside the box.

International mongering is actually one step to thinking outside the box because in many cases, you seek something and you found it abroad in far away land.

Society norm and in the box thinking is opium for masses, most believe it blindly and some others don't and those who think inside the box and live life only inside the box tend to point finger at very few live outside the box enjoying life to fullest.

However, I personally do not think Hikikomori or anybody doing anything is bad thing because if it not enforced on them and they are happy, I am happy for them, this is more outside box thinking as we are more flexible.

It is inside the box thinking people who are the problem who point finger at others saying this should be that, you cannot do this, you have to think like this, this is bad, we are right kind of set mentality and in many cases, they live inside box and most information they get is from media and articles LOL.

It is like with FKK, if I tell people about FKK that it is only 50 euro per 30 min etc. , they will assume, it must be dirty place with older fat women etc. , in reality it is not, we know that here.

Also when Artemis was busted, did you guys read media? Media wrote about Artemis as if it is some biker gang handout place where women are beaten, forced etc. , I mean it really was not, this is how inaccurate media is and I am surprise to find people who still quote media article as though it is the concrete evidence LOL. I also think Artemis got hard on BBBJ because they got busted before, so clearly the management get more tense on regulations.