Pattaya Reports

[Mr Enternational]

Thanks for responding in a constructive way. I would only ask that you consider the following. How long have you been paying 700? Has not Thailand experienced cost of living increases in that time?

Why do you say that? Because you are paying more for bar girls? You are paying more for alcohol and cigarettes because the government went up on the taxes? If there has been a cost of living increase then nobody has told my landlord about it (and that is where it counts). I have been paying the same 4500 baht per month for almost the last 9 years. Let's see if anything changes in February when I sign a new contract.

I have also been paying the same 900 baht plus 60 baht tolls to get from the airport to Pattaya for as long as I can remember. So the taxi driver is not seeing it either. But I think the place that I eat breakfast has gone from 79 baht to 84 baht for the American breakfast: eggs, bacon, toast, juice, coffee or tea. So if we take that 5 baht difference and factor it into the 700 baht for a Soi 6 girl, then maybe she should be getting 40 baht more. 740 baht, which she did actually get if you add in the lady drink that I bought her!

Then since Thai girls are like a box of chocolates you never know what you will get top her up to her asking price or more after the fact with a tip depending on the experience.

Why insist on giving away money that there is no need to give away? If I give her more do you think she is going to say let me drop by his place and give him a free round? Do you think her pussy would have gotten any wetter? All it does it make you feel good to pay more. I already feel good without paying more. And evidently the girls have no complaints about it either.

P.S. Today my brother bought 2 3 piece suits and 7 shirts. He told my brother 18,600 baht at first. My brother got the price to 17,000 baht. He also wanted 1500 baht to put a special lining in each suit. My brother talked him to do both for that 1500. Should I tell him to tip the guy when his clothes are ready?

[Mr Enternational]

My interest in shopping for P4P on Soi 6 began to sour 2-3 years ago when I spent an afternoon and evening there interacting with the half dozen or so "ok" looking girls I could find in various bars and not one of them agreed to give me a BBBJ+CIM for any amount of money. I mean, we never even got to the "How much?" part since the "NO" part of it was so absolute. LOL.

So I must be a prime candidate to learn more from you about Soi 6 Economics and the Art of Hooker Negotiation.

LOL. I have already explained that. I may negotiate price, but never negotiate service. And I never have a problem with service. As I explained the other day, all I told the chick on Soi 6 was let's go to the room. (Actually I was telling her to suck my dick downstairs on the couch. But she said she could not because it is not allowed and there are cameras. I told her it was no problem with me because I did not mind making a video.) When we got there whatever happened happened. When I couldn't cum she asked if it would help for her to suck my dick more. I'm pretty sure she would have had no problem with me CIM. Might have had a problem with YOU CIM; I can not attest to that. As always, YMMV.

So for further clarification; are you saying you have never gotten a refusal of your 700 baht ST and 1000 baht LT offer from any and every girl you have ever propositioned on Soi 6?

No. I remember trying to take this chick from Toy Box LT and she would not budge from this astronomical price. Like 3000 baht plus whatever the barfine was.

[David 2]

There is a time and place for everything. I don't find it a badge of honor to be a big spender amongst prostitutes. Going on vacation in Maldives is something else. I had to have the water bungalow.

When I read this for the first time I thought you had written "Water Buffalo" instead of "Water Bungalow". Gave me a good laugh. I thought that the legendary Mr. E had finally lost it. Thanks for the image.

[Steve 9696]

Satisfying? I have explained this before. On Soi 6 there is no set price. The only thing set is the bar fine or room fee. The amount you give the girl is negotiable. I have always given chicks on Soi 6 700 for short time and 1000 for long time, and I have reported doing such. Not my fault people here walk in and take the first price they are given.

Just like last night when me and my brother walked into a tailor shop and asked how much to make a shirt. He said 1000 baht. I said come on man you know that is too much. Then he said 800 baht. Now when I go to him and tell him I want 5 shirts etcetera, I will end up paying 700 baht for each shirt. But of course $9.14 means more to the tailor than it does to me right? Maybe, maybe not.

But the way things work around here is through negotiation. It is just that most people don't understand that and take the first price they are given. So who is really being taken advantage of? The bar girls that gets "out-negotiated" or the punter that does not know to negotiate? No chick is going to go for less than she is going to go for and no tailor will sell a shirt for less than he is going to sell it for.

P.S. It might stand to reason that the guy that did it all the time would have less money. The guy that only did it every blue moon maybe could afford to splurge. If I go into the club once a year then maybe I will get $150 bottle service. If I go into the club every other day then you think I am going to do that?

Thanks for responding in a constructive way. I would only ask that you consider the following. How long have you been paying 700? Has not Thailand experienced cost of living increases in that time? Perhaps 800 (+$3) or 900 (+$6) is more appropriate and you still didn't take the first offer. Then since Thai girls are like a box of chocolates you never know what you will get top her up to her asking price or more after the fact with a tip depending on the experience.

[EihTooms]

I have always given chicks on Soi 6 700 for short time and 1000 for long time, and I have reported doing such. Not my fault people here walk in and take the first price they are given.

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My interest in shopping for P4P on Soi 6 began to sour 2-3 years ago when I spent an afternoon and evening there interacting with the half dozen or so "ok" looking girls I could find in various bars and not one of them agreed to give me a BBBJ+CIM for any amount of money. I mean, we never even got to the "How much?" part since the "NO" part of it was so absolute. LOL.

So I must be a prime candidate to learn more from you about Soi 6 Economics and the Art of Hooker Negotiation.

Mind you, I definitely saw many, many girls working on that Soi and in those bars of whom most of the punters reading this thread would agree hands down should not charging more than 700 baht if they expect to get more than 1 roaring drunk customer per week. But there are always a handful of girls who most of us would say look like they could expect 1000 baht and not budge from it. Based on their looks alone, that is.

So for further clarification; are you saying you have never gotten a refusal of your 700 baht ST and 1000 baht LT offer from any and every girl you have ever propositioned on Soi 6? And are you also saying you just as frequently hit on Soi 6 girls who most punters with Thai mongering experience would rate as among the top 10% best lookers on Soi 6 as the ones most of us would not be surprised would be highly flexible in what they would accept and not reject?

[Mr Enternational]

On the one hand a tight budget, a love of mongering alongside the girl freely making the decision to give it up for nothing or taking less than the going rate justifies paying less. On the other hand is it taking advantage of a girl's particular circumstances?

I would argue there is no right or wrong answer, it's complicated. Then again perhaps it simply comes down to one's conscience.

Exactly. No right or wrong answer. Nobody is forcing anybody into anything. It could just as well be that the chick is taking advantage of the guy's situation that doesn't get pussy back home. Making him pay 3000 baht! Next thing you know he is out buying gold for her. For mfs that are used to women or get their love and affection from chicks that are not hookers, then it is just another chick he is fucking.

[Mr Enternational]

Its called being cheap and not really having "money".

There is a time and place for everything. I don't find it a badge of honor to be a big spender amongst prostitutes. Going on vacation in Maldives is something else. I had to have the water bungalow.

[Franciscass]

Oh god! We have price police for paying too much and price police for paying too little. We have the safe sex police and......

What the hell is this? We can't win with you guys can we. Better we stop mentioning what we pay then and the rest of you can figure it out on your own. Do you want that?

Not to mention the policing police who feel the need to police the forum.

[Mr Enternational]

I understand guys who don't have much money and save up for this and every dollar is a big deal. What I don't understand is guys who do this all the time and presumably have money taking satisfaction from out-negotiating a bargirl for $9. 14 that probably means a lot more to her than it does to you. Really? I truly do not understand this mentality. Can you explain why this is so satisfying to you?

Satisfying? I have explained this before. On Soi 6 there is no set price. The only thing set is the bar fine or room fee. The amount you give the girl is negotiable. I have always given chicks on Soi 6 700 for short time and 1000 for long time, and I have reported doing such. Not my fault people here walk in and take the first price they are given.

Just like last night when me and my brother walked into a tailor shop and asked how much to make a shirt. He said 1000 baht. I said come on man you know that is too much. Then he said 800 baht. Now when I go to him and tell him I want 5 shirts etcetera, I will end up paying 700 baht for each shirt. But of course $9.14 means more to the tailor than it does to me right? Maybe, maybe not.

But the way things work around here is through negotiation. It is just that most people don't understand that and take the first price they are given. So who is really being taken advantage of? The bar girls that gets "out-negotiated" or the punter that does not know to negotiate? No chick is going to go for less than she is going to go for and no tailor will sell a shirt for less than he is going to sell it for.

P.S. It might stand to reason that the guy that did it all the time would have less money. The guy that only did it every blue moon maybe could afford to splurge. If I go into the club once a year then maybe I will get $150 bottle service. If I go into the club every other day then you think I am going to do that?

[Mr Enternational]

I agree but as I said, these girls are the same as you can meet in soi 6. Curious to know why you took her from 808 before if she is nothing to write home about. With so many choices in Patts, why would you settle on someone you werent that fond of?

I am saying the after was nothing to write home about. Just an average session. She also does not look too good. I just wanted to fuck her because of the weird piercings. I am not like most guys with a list of how things have to be. I might see one thing about a chick (like a hairstyle) and decide I want to take her. And it is only 1000-1200 baht long time so I really can't go wrong.

[Phazze93]

I didn't say he paid too little. I asked a question. Which I suppose only he can answer. Although, if others derive satisfaction by winning a negotiation over $9. 14 I suppose they might chime in as well.

Its called being cheap and not really having "money".

[Steve 9696]

Oh god! We have price police for paying too much and price police for paying too little. We have the safe sex police and......

What the hell is this? We can't win with you guys can we. Better we stop mentioning what we pay then and the rest of you can figure it out on your own. Do you want that?

I didn't say he paid too little. I asked a question. Which I suppose only he can answer. Although, if others derive satisfaction by winning a negotiation over $9. 14 I suppose they might chime in as well.

[Member #4591]

I understand guys who don't have much money and save up for this and every dollar is a big deal. What I don't understand is guys who do this all the time and presumably have money taking satisfaction from out-negotiating a bargirl for $9. 14 that probably means a lot more to her than it does to you. Really? I truly do not understand this mentality. Can you explain why this is so satisfying to you?

Oh god! We have price police for paying too much and price police for paying too little. We have the safe sex police and......

What the hell is this? We can't win with you guys can we. Better we stop mentioning what we pay then and the rest of you can figure it out on your own. Do you want that?

[Franciscass]

The issue of what is a fair price to pay comes up every so often. Some members have success through on line hook ups with getting lots of freebies while others continuously manage reductions in standard asking rates raising the question is this fair to the girls. I feel it can be argued both ways.

On the one hand a tight budget, a love of mongering alongside the girl freely making the decision to give it up for nothing or taking less than the going rate justifies paying less. On the other hand is it taking advantage of a girl's particular circumstances?

I would argue there is no right or wrong answer, it's complicated. Then again perhaps it simply comes down to one's conscience.

[ForgottenOwl]

In Bangkok there is Kangaroo bar and Star of Light on Patpong road. On soi Cowboy, Toy bar has the famous naughty boys corner. I have never partaken as that is not my style.

So you can forsure get full service in the Kangaroo bar, Star of Light, Toy Bar in the actual bar area? Not just a handjob?