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[Steve 9696]

Just met a great kisser in New Zealand and it made me think how few and far between they are. Of the 25-30 ladies I've engaged in DFK this year, I would only class 6 of them as really great kissers. So maybe 20% and the others are solid OK or meh.

Is that your experience also? Low percentage of really great DFK?

My sample is from Brazil (2), China (1), Japan (1), USA (1), Germany (1), UK, New Zealand / Australia (1).

And only 2 who I would pay exclusively to kiss — Thifany Brazil and Bella NZ. Yes that good.

[BigBuddy69]

Simillair to the french yellow vests. It is a pan profession working class thing in Europe.

You can't compare people who're making between 900 and 1300 euros a month in France (50 € a day for some) to women who are paid 50 € for half an hour, that's not realistic.

[Polyamorist]

Partly due to the base rate being so stagnant for many years, and we are facing the downside of the girls doing this as a silent protest. Simillair to the french yellow vests. It is a pan profession working class thing in Europe.

That Colombian I was talking about, she was 20 and newly arrived in Spain. To say she was motivated by a working-class consciousness of stagnant European rates a la Bertolt Brecht would be a bit of a stretch. It is much more likely that her reserve was influenced by the swaggering pimp downstairs. When you can clearly see cartoon characters like this in the immediate environment, it's easier to imagine what's going on: that the guy claimed the prettiest girl in the casa as his special girlfriend, that he told her to give limited services to customers, and so on.

By contrast in Germany the pimps are compelled to stay in the background much more. "What's out of sight is out of mind" -- consequently, it's easy for frequent FKK'ers to vastly underestimate the role that the "handlers" play. And this can be insidious when mongers are being deceived (like poor Bonsai below).

In Switzerland there is also an FKK scene, but laws and enforcement are more relaxed, so in smaller FKKs you see the pimp phenomenon re-emerge. For instance there is one FKK called El Harem with a lot of Brazilian girls, and the owner seems to literally treat the place as his private harem, just renting out the girls to customers occasionally -- again, no surprise that they offer more reserved services to customers than you would normally expect from Brazilians. And I know at least two other Swiss FKKs that work that way too.

I mention this because to my mind it is not the way the FKK concept is supposed to work, and it seems like a retrogression to brothel days.

In particular my heart bleeds for German youths who are being trained up to think Second-Class Sex is the norm. On one side you have the pimps telling the girls not to kiss and keeping them rigidly under control, while on the other side the German government is mandating things like the merkel-BJ and spreading scare stories about disease, and everybody is trying to strangulate sex and squeeze the fun out of it.

[Bonsai]

Hi guys,

I'm quite new to FKK land, so my question to all you out there.

I met a girl in a FKK club, the sex feeling with her is ultimate great, but her real look, charakter, attitude and educations are just not my type.

I'm not sure if the girl is in real love with me or just business?

We had 30 hours or more room- hours experience with all kind of VIP services. (including AO).

(Payment just the standard room rate without any extras).

And we had been doing 10+ outside dates without payments.

She wants visit my home, but I'm not sure about this yet.

Does people had same experience before?

[Chongmal]

I think this is multisided coin. Many girls take the initial stance of holding back. But if you are able to make chemistry happen, it is possible with many girls to get more than her standard routine. Unfortunately some girls are more routine oriented than others, so it gets fragmented. And some clubs have more groups of girls forcing more upselling and withholding of things they do for standard rate than other clubs. Partly due to the base rate being so stagnant for many years, and we are facing the downside of the girls doing this as a silent protest. Simillair to the french yellow vests. It is a pan profession working class thing in Europe.

Part of it may also be linked to the fine print in the July 2017 regulation. I'm sure most ladies aren't aware of all that is contained in the regulation but they have figured out some things and in some clubs it's become more of a movement. They also seem to be playing with the financial tolerance of the men. When men come from prostitution economies where the rate is €300-500 per hour they seem to be more likely to accept €200 per hour in a German club. This sucks for men like me who are used to local prices but it is happening. I don't mind if a lady withholds certain services as long as they are withheld upfront before I'm in the room. When it happens in the room it's like anti-Viagra.

I hope the WGs don't take it too far and start wearing yellow vests.

[Pistons]

I think this is multisided coin. Many girls take the initial stance of holding back. But if you are able to make chemistry happen, it is possible with many girls to get more than her standard routine. Unfortunately some girls are more routine oriented than others, so it gets fragmented. And some clubs have more groups of girls forcing more upselling and withholding of things they do for standard rate than other clubs. Partly due to the base rate being so stagnant for many years, and we are facing the downside of the girls doing this as a silent protest. Simillair to the french yellow vests. It is a pan profession working class thing in Europe.

[Polyamorist]

I would call it the Romanian or East European Culture, I have a blast with gorgeous Latina in Spain and did have a great session with Gabi in Oase.

Salaam ShooBree. I love Latinas too, but if they need help to get to Europe, they can also end up under the yoke of pimps. I came across a Brazilian (Goianian) girl in the Algarve, and a Colombian girl in Andalusia, and I was expecting really steamy sessions from both of them, but it turned out they were under control and turned down kissing and were generally a bit disappointing. By contrast the local Spanish girls were surprisingly hot, and I believe it is because they had no loverboys to tell them what to do. Also I met a great Cuban girl in Freiburg, and she was clearly independent and could really enjoy things and give her all. So the moral of the story is it's not about race or nationality but whether the girl is a true freelancer or not.

[ShooBree]

The problem happens when the pimps tell the girls things like, "Don't kiss the customers," or "I am your true boyfriend so you have to give second-class sex to everybody else. " This is when the culture becomes really unhealthy, and I see too much of it in Europe lately, so that is why I, and I think some other mongers, are giving up on Europe and turning to places like South America -- where there are also lots of pimps, but at least they aren't so hostile to the regular guys.

I think the FKKs offered an alternative to this unhealthy culture in Europe for a decade, but they have been invaded and undermined by it over the past few years.

I would call it the Romanian or East European Culture, I have a blast with gorgeous Latina in Spain and did have a great session with Gabi in Oase.

[Jmioffe]

Was with a WG recently who asked me out of the blue, "Are you an artist?

I thought it was odd, I gave her no indication that I was.

She told me she thought to ask it because we'd been having sex for awhile. Is this a thing?

I love these little international things I pick up. The last time this happened a girl at another FKK chided me, "geile sau. ".

[ExpatLover]

The problem happens when the pimps tell the girls things like, "Don't kiss the customers," or "I am your true boyfriend so you have to give second-class sex to everybody else. " This is when the culture becomes really unhealthy, and I see too much of it in Europe lately, so that is why I, and I think some other mongers, are giving up on Europe and turning to places like South America -- where there are also lots of pimps, but at least they aren't so hostile to the regular guys.

I think the FKKs offered an alternative to this unhealthy culture in Europe for a decade, but they have been invaded and undermined by it over the past few years.

But is it not healthy that the girls who are obliged to sell her body for any reason make differences between a customer and her BF even he is a pimp. With a prostitute you don t buy love you just buy sex, most of us are more frustrated after leaving the room than before. FKK, escorts. Were a big addiction for me for more than 10 years, since 2 years I drastically reduced my visits to club or escorts and I am also extremely selective, at the end of the end now my life is far better, I am saving a lot of cash and less sex means for me far better sex.

[Mr Ho]

The problem happens when the pimps tell the girls things like, "Don't kiss the customers," or "I am your true boyfriend so you have to give second-class sex to everybody else. " This is when the culture becomes really unhealthy, and I see too much of it in Europe lately, so that is why I, and I think some other mongers, are giving up on Europe and turning to places like South America -- where there are also lots of pimps, but at least they aren't so hostile to the regular guys.

I think the FKKs offered an alternative to this unhealthy culture in Europe for a decade, but they have been invaded and undermined by it over the past few years.

Yes, but I think it is more for business purposes, meaning they slice and cut each actions of sex as products to maximize their profitability.

Having said that, when they do this too much like they began doing recently, then some clients may just find alternative like Zurich because prices are becoming same if up sell get too extreme.

Either way, mongers got to do what we got to do and girls do have to make money, and I must say, so far, it has been partly mongers paranoia and service is OK after some negotiation. I have turn one hour session or longer session to 30 min 50 euro just bang hard cum session because some girls are asking too much just in their favor, but this is rare case and girls are still fair enough. Arguably LOL.

I want sex, I am willing to pay, girls just want money, that is why FKK is there for and that is why girls are in FKK to work, so both side of interest must be supported. If this is the case I am willing to pay up to some extent, which I called mild up selling.

However, some mongers seek for more than sex like some emotional feeling of some sort, this for the girls are most complicated clients and some of those clients has done some crazy things in FKK history like stalking, even murder few years ago. It is scary thing when some clients begin to make mistake about the purpose of FKK, it is sexual wonderland and not for relationship or emotional connections with girls who are working there.

In closing, I do know that there are some cases where some clients married FKK girls, so I guess it is each their own too, but I do think that there are pimps and loverboys who makes bases for the business model in FKK, so it is not just girls we are dealing with, but we also deal with pimps and loverboys indirectly.

When we dig deep, it is little bit funny to realize what kind of funny food chain we are involving in being mongers LOL!. Happy hunting!

[Polyamorist]

Yes, what I also realized is the platform for girls to come and work in German FKK because it is not so easy to just move to foreign land to work in brothel, so girls need little push or support from behind for her to go all the way to Germany to work in FKK. This is not healthy culture because those platforms are pimps or lover boys or related group of people, but we monger have to realize that we do benefit from these guys as much as we benefit them. Synergy effect.

The problem happens when the pimps tell the girls things like, "Don't kiss the customers," or "I am your true boyfriend so you have to give second-class sex to everybody else. " This is when the culture becomes really unhealthy, and I see too much of it in Europe lately, so that is why I, and I think some other mongers, are giving up on Europe and turning to places like South America -- where there are also lots of pimps, but at least they aren't so hostile to the regular guys.

I think the FKKs offered an alternative to this unhealthy culture in Europe for a decade, but they have been invaded and undermined by it over the past few years.

[ExpatLover]

That may be what ends up happening. However I'm not sure if the living standards in all of Eastern Europe has caught up yet to stop the inflow. Plenty of new girls still keep arriving from what I can see in places like Oase.

Ultimately it's not just economics but on the micro-level the life-choices of a small set of the females in the countries in question. Keep in mind that there are still plenty of GERMAN girls that do work in these clubs for fair rates and with good service levels. The fact that that has not dried up is telling.


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Sorry but in which club can you find plenty of German girls? I just know some German girls in Shark, new girls arriving in Oase are not new girls in the business they are usually coming from other clubs or from Spain, Ireland.

[Mr Ho]

That may be what ends up happening. However I'm not sure if the living standards in all of Eastern Europe has caught up yet to stop the inflow. Plenty of new girls still keep arriving from what I can see in places like Oase.

Ultimately it's not just economics but on the micro-level the life-choices of a small set of the females in the countries in question. Keep in mind that there are still plenty of GERMAN girls that do work in these clubs for fair rates and with good service levels. The fact that that has not dried up is telling.


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Yes, what I also realized is the platform for girls to come and work in German FKK because it is not so easy to just move to foreign land to work in brothel, so girls need little push or support from behind for her to go all the way to Germany to work in FKK. This is not healthy culture because those platforms are pimps or lover boys or related group of people, but we monger have to realize that we do benefit from these guys as much as we benefit them. Synergy effect.

German girls? Where? Let me know LOL! Ok, only kidding, I know there still are some German girls, but much less than before and less prettier, but I guess line up is cycle, some year we mongers get lucky, some year we are not so lucky.

Talking again about platforms as I mentioned above paragraph. During Greek financial crisis, I was hoping some Greek girls will come and work in FKK, but contrary to my hope and expectation, I did not really find greek girls in FKK during that period and after, I met only one greek girl in FKK that was beautiful enough for me to session with, so I guess platform is important for girls to come and work in FKK and such platform was not really there in the nation like Greece, but there is such platform in nation like Romania. Let us hope there will be more and more of those platforms and I will be waiting till Ukrainian girls to come to German FKK soon or later if they can join EU or some visa agreement with EU.

[Lanthano]

Jack of all trades are the essence of German FKK with heavy concentration on Romanians.

I would wish FKK will get more local German girls like it once used to, if not I hope Ukraine join EU or some other nations in eastern Europe will manage to join some kind of visa agreement to work in Germany.

That may be what ends up happening. However I'm not sure if the living standards in all of Eastern Europe has caught up yet to stop the inflow. Plenty of new girls still keep arriving from what I can see in places like Oase.

Ultimately it's not just economics but on the micro-level the life-choices of a small set of the females in the countries in question. Keep in mind that there are still plenty of GERMAN girls that do work in these clubs for fair rates and with good service levels. The fact that that has not dried up is telling.


Just earned my TWO STARS! HOORAH!