German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[EastGoing]

I forgot to give you my advice: take her as a girlfriend... And let her support you! LOL! If you have problems taking her home, leave her where she is! Love can resist distance ;-D.

P.S. Don't worry about being considered a pimp. Whoever stays with someone is supposed to share earnings and help each other, actually normally is the man supporting the woman, and that's not considered a crime or anything bad. So, not to discriminate women, they must be allowed to do the same: you man may stay home ironing and washing the dishes, or get a cleaner and pay for that. Then instead of beauty salon and gym, you go to play darts or golf. A normal couple where one works and the other one is supported. If your woman was a famous singer, or a lawyer, or a manager, would it be considered bad if you lived at her expenses?

[EastGoing]

What I meant, without meaning to tackle anyone, was that I don't see why somebody should feel pity for these girls or justify their freaks. And I say it out of my career of loving at various degrees many prostitutes of all colour, origin, rank, etc.

Generally speaking about them, not just about FKK's ones, the only allowance I can do is about going with men they don't like, the smell, the sweat, the flavours, but for the rest of the things? I am envious with any woman: they can have as much sex as they like and can do whatever they want in their life without any worry by just spreading their mouths / legs, and be honoured like queens by bunches of stupid wankers dying after them while maybe contemporarily insulting their wives or reproaching their secretaries / saleswomen / waitresses / whatever job a woman working under a man can do.

What would I do if I lost my job? And while working I have to follow rules, have problems, can not travel, etc. If a woman is not so stupid to get a pimp, can't she do like many escorts do, travelling the world for instance without arguing, struggling, etc. ?

About the fact of them living in Germany at german prices... Even without considering the chance to sleep and eat in clubs... Also the workers in the night shifts of the factories live in Germany, pay a rent, support children (who stay in Germany, not in Romania!), pay taxes I guess higher than 25 euros a day, etc.

All the foreign people working abroad on a local normal / lower salary (think of those walking the streets selling umbrellars when it is raining for instance, or trying to sell the roses to couples on promenades) make huge sacrifices to spare a few tens of euros to send home.
When I was young I worked in England and I had to spare money for months to buy a 50 pounds broken down bike to be able to cycle home instead of walking (or begging for a lift to colleagues) 4 kms back to my 4 square meter room in the night after working even shifts of 16 hours.

When I am in Germany I too pay my expenses, but out of my salary, which doesn't consist of sure hundreds of euros per day. Some girls won't break even occasionally in a given day? It happens to many entrepreneurs, restaurants, pub, plumbers, car dealers, shops, etc.

But what do these girls risk? The goods they bought will go taunted? Will expire? Will remain unsold in store? Any woman, even the ugliest one, can take money out of a man if she wants: I use to say that you cannot refuse to anyone to suck your dick!

Those precious princesses who upsell the air you breath together, if end up earning "little", have to blame themselves! And must not receive any mercy or solidarity, especially by the men they mistreat/abuse/cheat/exploitate

[BigBuddy69]

It has never been a fixed price and it's still totally possible to have good sex for 50 € each 30 min if you choose the good clubs and don't act like a wimp.

[Steve 9696]

So if I go to a concert in a country where concerts are cheap I should pay 50 per cent over the normal price because in my home country it is more expensive?

I prefer to act according to local culture (provided of course its norms are no less ethical than those of my home country)

I clearly prefer the way it used to be. 50 a half. 100 an hour. 50 CIM. But it is no longer fixed price. So I am not sure the analogy works. If the concert venue charged locals 50 and people coming from other countries where they normally pay $100, those folks would be happy to pay $75.

Again, I don't want to overpay and try not to but since individuals reference frames are different so are their decisions.

[Optimist]

... the girls charge what they can, which is different for every customer depending on how broad their taste, how often they get out of Pussy Prison and ...

Agree. One point rarely made is that some guys (a small number not including me unfortunately) manage to negotiate prices which are under the standard (yet alone inflated) prices. If some guys can do this I baulk at paying over standard prices.

More to the point for me is that in my experience the girls giving the best service are those who don't upsell, ask for tips, restrict time and so on. More money equals less service?

[Optimist]

So if I go to a concert in a country where concerts are cheap I should pay 50 per cent over the normal price because in my home country it is more expensive?

I prefer to act according to local culture (provided of course its norms are no less ethical than those of my home country)

[Member #4636]

So... If among you there are sultans interested in my ass... Or if any of you rich good hearted philanthropists is interested in helping me instead of (or along with) these "poor" girls, I will be more than happy to give my bank details.

Thanks in advance.

I agree with what you say. But keep in mind these girls when they come to work in Germany they just forget where they come from (in financial terms) and they just compare with common market prices in Germany or other countries. In my country an hour with a stunner and a great service including everything would be max 200 / hour, They don't charge silly prices like 100 for anal or 50 extra for CIM, those charges are much lower. In other countries like Italy, America, England or Holland prices might be similar to FKK.

[Gino02]

Have to respectfully disagree with this. Ultimately the buyer is setting the price, because he is accepting the price offered / negotiated. So the price is what the buyer accepts. And you would like buyers to only accept lower prices thus lowering the price. I get that.

But buyers make decisions based on the value in their context. And in Japan, China, and the US, top quality pussy is especially expensive. So it is probably those guys you notice "overpaying" most. They make the decision in the context of their world. Guys with daily access to FKK don't know how lucky they are. But you will see below you are blessed.

For reference, here is what I've paid for top girls by geography over the past two years (Some are an average of a few girls). These include kissing and BBBJ. . Not saying these are standard, but rather what I've paid. If a club or barfine experience is involved I list drinks and or room cost that are part of the experience.

Locale. Format. Girl $ + Bar tab / room etc $ = total damage.

USA. Incall. $400/ hour + $0 = $400.

Brazil. Boate nightclub. $150/ HR. + $150 = $300.

London. Incall. $250/ HR. + $0= $250.

Spain. Brothel. $230/ HR inclusive = $230.

Moscow. Strip Club. $120/ HR + $250 = $370.

Thailand. Outcall. $80ST+ $80= $160.

Shanghai. Outcall. $220ST +$30 = $250.

Tokyo. Incall. $330/ HR + $50 = $380.

Nz / Aust. Brothel. $350/ HR inclusive = $350/ HR.

So even an expensive FKK experience is a good value ina worldwide context.

Not saying who is right or wrong but hopefully gives you some perspective from the "overpayer" side of the fence.

Isn't there a saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do"? Doesn't following that principle helps tourists to experience a new country better and prevents from being ripped off?

[Pistons]

OK, out of respect for you Lathano (and I mean that I read you and KK assiduously) I will try to walk from the next high priced offer and take my chances. But if I end up beating off I will hunt you down in the RLD! 😀.

The way I see it, there are several ways to tackle upsellers. The best way is to tell her that you will make a second room with her if the first one is good. And do it also! Otherwise the girls in the club will give you a bad reputation. And you don't want that.

A second way is taking the 1 h hour option if she includes one more extra as a bundle deal. Or even negotiating a 45 minute session.

But paying double price for the same thing just screams scam. And you don't want to do this because.

1. It means the girl doesn't really like you, and you don't want to pay a girl who doesn't even like you. Neighter do you want to bed her no matter her looks! Have some dignity! And.

2. It is unfair to the other girls who does not ask for double price. Why would you pay them even less? Would you give one of your son's a car as a birthday present, but the second son would just get a coffecup?

The very instant people agree to unreasonable upselling, the pandora's box is open. That is why I would much rather see an across the board 10 e price hike in Germany (except artemis and hamburg), which is fair to everyone. And also cap the number of girls in a club. At a reasonable level ofcourse. And rather have the clubs pose military level demands on the girls working there. For example a minimum and maximum of bodyfat percentage and height to weight ratio combination. With only high optics as a way around this! And maybe a running demand to test stamina (LOL). All military personell needs to do this, so it is not expecting too much. Even professional horse jockeys have requirements like this, and that is extremely relevant considering the riding. Hirr!

[Pistons]

All the philosophy and social and economics "studies" provided here seem to come from aliens leaving in another world. Do you know how much is the salary that most of people earn in Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, etc. ? I am sure I don't go wrong saying 1000 euros a month is already good. And I'm talking of western Europe!

I take this as if you replied to my post here. But given your comment regarding 500 euro a day, I think you might want to reread my post again. I wrote 500 euro a month. And that is not much when living in Germany with the expenses there. Even if they live and eat at the club, I am sure all the girls do venture outside some days and spend some money on makeup, flight back to romania etc etc. It is still more than a standard job in romania, but just maybe twice the amount. And that does not include the lack of living away from home. Now ofcourse this is only so for the least earning girls. Some other girls can make alot more money as I already mentionned.

You are right regarding many posters here plashing a hell of alot of money. But then again that does in a way make it cheaper for the rest of us.

[Chongmal]

Have to respectfully disagree with this. Ultimately the buyer is setting the price, because he is accepting the price offered / negotiated. So the price is what the buyer accepts. And you would like buyers to only accept lower prices thus lowering the price. I get that.

But buyers make decisions based on the value in their context. And in Japan, China, and the US, top quality pussy is especially expensive. So it is probably those guys you notice "overpaying" most. They make the decision in the context of their world. Guys with daily access to FKK don't know how lucky they are. But you will see below you are blessed.

For reference, here is what I've paid for top girls by geography over the past two years (Some are an average of a few girls). These include kissing and BBBJ. . Not saying these are standard, but rather what I've paid. If a club or barfine experience is involved I list drinks and or room cost that are part of the experience.

Locale. Format. Girl $ + Bar tab / room etc $ = total damage..

This is like saying in New York City they charge $35 for a burger and fries. When I go to Texas, a burger and fries is normally $5 but it's cool with me if they see my New York license plate and bump the price up to $15. From a local perspective it might be humorous a couple times until they walk in and get their burger and fries and when the check arrives they suddenly owe $10 instead of the expected $5.

Having a few fly in friends, I always try to help them control that urge to pay whatever the first beauty asks. These guys can be sitting on a €15 k budget for 7-10 days because they have saved up for a year. I find with them it's sometimes better to drag them to the fringe sauna clubs with a bit lower optics but more inclusive service to start the trip. Then work our way back toward the higher optics and more upsell oriented clubs about half way thru the trip. Some, after one or two days in upsell land, push to return to the less hassle clubs with higher level service included in the basic price.

[Steve 9696]

Whether it's "right" for the individual is completely irrelevant, the worldwide perspective is irrelevant.

Have to respectfully disagree with this. Ultimately the buyer is setting the price, because he is accepting the price offered / negotiated. So the price is what the buyer accepts. And you would like buyers to only accept lower prices thus lowering the price. I get that.

But buyers make decisions based on the value in their context. And in Japan, China, and the US, top quality pussy is especially expensive. So it is probably those guys you notice "overpaying" most. They make the decision in the context of their world. Guys with daily access to FKK don't know how lucky they are. But you will see below you are blessed.

For reference, here is what I've paid for top girls by geography over the past two years (Some are an average of a few girls). These include kissing and BBBJ. . Not saying these are standard, but rather what I've paid. If a club or barfine experience is involved I list drinks and or room cost that are part of the experience.

Locale. Format. Girl $ + Bar tab / room etc $ = total damage.

USA. Incall. $400/ hour + $0 = $400.

Brazil. Boate nightclub. $150/ HR. + $150 = $300.

London. Incall. $250/ HR. + $0= $250.

Spain. Brothel. $230/ HR inclusive = $230.

Moscow. Strip Club. $120/ HR + $250 = $370.

Thailand. Outcall. $80ST+ $80= $160.

Shanghai. Outcall. $220ST +$30 = $250.

Tokyo. Incall. $330/ HR + $50 = $380.

Nz / Aust. Brothel. $350/ HR inclusive = $350/ HR.

So even an expensive FKK experience is a good value ina worldwide context.

Not saying who is right or wrong but hopefully gives you some perspective from the "overpayer" side of the fence.

[Steve 9696]

Walking away from rip-off deals is not the same as walking away from the FKK experience altogether. There are plenty of good service providers in these clubs.

But fine, I get your point about the narrow tastes when one isn't here for an extended period of time.

OK, out of respect for you Lathano (and I mean that — I read you and KK assiduously) I will try to walk from the next high priced offer and take my chances. But if I end up beating off I will hunt you down in the RLD! 😀.

[Lanthano]

The escort suggestion would work if the point was purely sex. And in some locales that is the best option. But the allure of Germany is the FKK EXPERIENCE, which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. So for those of us that might get to an FKK once a year if lucky, with narrow taste do? Just walk away to keep the price down for others?

Walking away from rip-off deals is not the same as walking away from the FKK experience altogether. There are plenty of good service providers in these clubs.

But fine, I get your point about the narrow tastes when one isn't here for an extended period of time.

[Steve 9696]

Thank you for the invitation, I shall flame away.

Absolutely sure they are "overpaying", given that they are comparing the prices here to somewhere where prostitution is illegal and living expenses are higher.

Standard: 100 for 1 hour 50 for 30 minutes, extras negociated with perhaps only 1 hour including all of them (which I personally consider a bad deal but fine for people that like 1 hour rooms).

If you're paying more, you're overpaying, period. Plenty of local guys here are trying to make an honest living here while these "women" (and then their lazy compatriots who then follow them based on stories of suckers that fall for it) think they can make 100 euros for 15 minutes of work, large chunks oftentimes going to their good-for-nothing bastard pimp Romanian "boyfriends". Don't kid yourself.

Whether it's "right" for the individual is completely irrelevant, the worldwide perspective is irrelevant. What is relevant are the standard prices here. Plenty of customers are being milked and can't say no because of a mix of cartelisation and momentary attraction / fixtures. If people wish to pay escort-level prices, I would suggest they just stay in their hotel and order one, rather than drive them up the prices here because the girls think they can get away with upwards of 200 per hour and 100 for half an hour.

Price of pussy elsewhere? Not that it matters, but say we're talking about the prices locals pay in Eastern Europe or SE Asia. Using that yardstick is relative. Why pay more, why pay less? Because your living standards have gone up, because you're feeling generous and feel like wasting it on these people, before she then bangs another guy later for half the price (particularly on a slower day or outside of the club)?

The escort suggestion would work if the point was purely sex. And in some locales that is the best option. But the allure of Germany is the FKK EXPERIENCE, which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. So for those of us that might get to an FKK once a year if lucky, with narrow taste do? Just walk away to keep the price down for others?