Jakarta

[Goferring]

Oh, come on! I can see why Smoothy made a pass. Many of those girls can not resist to get a taste again of their past and go back to the places they used to go as soon as hubby is traveling. Either you are not familiar to that scene or you have reason not to trust someone.

It's amazing how insecure even the most beautiful and successful (ex) bar girl is. They require constant attention and compliments and are never satisfied when they have "made it". For many, this takes the form of ongoing affairs outside an otherwise successful marriage or relationships where the flow of "gifts" verify that they are still beautiful.

I guess its understandable when the only asset or ability you have is your ability to draw attention. They often have no other skill set.

[UsPete]

Well, tai lalat means tache de beaute. I don't see how cat fits in.

Tahi Lalat is a mole, so wouldn't that be grain de beaute in French Menteng, sorry my French is pretty rubbish.

I've got a feeling the girl said or meant malu malu kucing tahi lalat. Malu2 kucing is someone who isn't shy but behaves shy and in this case is found attractive with a mole. These are Malay Simpulans (knots?) or idioms.

Probably a dangdut song about this, there is for everything else.

[Menteng]

Does anyone know what the term "kucing taik lalat" means? It translates literally to cat shit fly, but it should mean something colloquially. My girl that accompanied me last night to Basque Bar for dinner commented on the girls who she knows work as freelancers but pretended not to be, or worse angry when implied.

Well, ¨tai lalat¨ means ¨tache de beaute¨. I don't see how ¨cat¨ fits in.

[Menteng]

Making advances on another man's wife while he is away on business. Mongering may not be the most honorable activity but there is still a line to be drawn. You are the scum of the earth!

Oh, come on! I can see why Smoothy made a pass. Many of those girls can not resist to get a taste again of their past and go back to the places they used to go as soon as hubby is traveling. Either you are not familiar to that scene or you have reason not to trust someone.

[IronQuinn]

That is the way it used to be in the West before suffragette. The feminist movement has destroyed Western girls and the result is no one in the West is happy anymore. The proof is the so called Western Democracies can't even maintain their populations. Me: I can't wait for the day when I permanently escape and leave this Western cultural wasteland behind.

Not sure how many on this forum are under forty, but that's the demographic I represent. By the time I was born, feminism was securely rooted in US culture. Growing up in school, that was just the way it was, there were so many. I had my share, and looking back, I deserve a medal for getting what I did in this society. It took a lot of work telling them what they wanted to hear, never saying the wrong thing, playing the waiting game, or god forbid you have a wandering eye. Then, I started traveling (once I had a chance to save up my pennies), and discovered places like SEA and South America. I remember my first trip to Colombia and saying, "Son of a *****, I was born too late!

[Ggekko2009]

Does anyone know what the term "kucing taik lalat" means? It translates literally to cat shit fly, but it should mean something colloquially. My girl that accompanied me last night to Basque Bar for dinner commented on the girls who she knows work as freelancers but pretended not to be, or worse angry when implied.

[Member #4698]

The rules are very simple: never ever let your games embarrass your wife or her family and always present plausible denial on what you are doing. No one will believe you but all will pretend to.

That is the way it used to be in the West before suffragette. The feminist movement has destroyed Western girls and the result is no one in the West is happy anymore. The proof is the so called Western Democracies can't even maintain their populations. Me: I can't wait for the day when I permanently escape and leave this Western cultural wasteland behind.

[Goferring]

She talked with me about getting married but I keep thinking of this girl I met on her first day at Soi 6,

This is exactly what western minds struggle to comprehend about Asain relationships: it is permissible, even expected, to have your cake and eat it as well. The in laws would not bat an eye lid if you were to marry Princess and quietly have some fun on the side. Just don't let the two worlds over lap.

The rules are very simple: never ever let your games embarrass your wife or her family and always present plausible denial on what you are doing. No one will believe you but all will pretend to.

[Turgid]

...............She seems to be loyal to him because she refuses my advances now. He runs some business in Jakarta and has lived here for over 10 years, so he is not traveling back and forth to Korea. They have been married around 10 years now....................

Making advances on another man's wife while he is away on business. Mongering may not be the most honorable activity but there is still a line to be drawn. You are the scum of the earth!

[TripleX]

I don't know. I have been dating a relatively rich Indo girl, family is in construction and owns a hotel in Jakarta while I have been here. She talked with me about getting married but I keep thinking of this girl I met on her first day at Soi 6, just 18 with a kid already but damn she was just so cute, appreciative and seemed like she would be so loyal. Plus her mom who is about my age, 40's still looks good and they look similar so she would probably age really well. If I were to ever marry I really think she would make me the happiest and I think she would really like it as well but the whole stigma and explaining how we met, the remnants of her past being able to be tracked on social media all give me pause but if I was smart I would just do what makes me happiest and not give a fuck what anybody thinks. Still hard for me to commit to any girl so I probably won't.

It's very rare that I like girls who are not Asian, Hispanic or Persian with Asian being my favorite. So glad that SouthEast Asia is available as a mongering spot but things are changing that is for sure and any of these places could dry up very quickly. Had a little experience in China before things went to shit there for mongering. The culture and attitude of many of the Chinese girls is a turn off so not too big a loss but there were a few sweet girls there. Wish I could have spent time in Vietnam, Cambodia and Burma when thing were really good there. Will probably still try out all three but not expecting things to be great.

So my first trip to Indonesia was pretty good. Got nearly a month in here. Would have liked more time in my room with girls rather than the short time venues but I got a pretty good mix of both along with someone to hang out with for more traditional type dating. Like the variety in body style of girls here. Had some dynamite slender girls like the majority I would find in Thailand but some really sexy thick and stacked girls also. Overall girls were more conservative here. I usually try to get away with as many sex acts as I can and very rarely have a trip that I don't find a girl I can convince or is already into anal but not here. Had two online girls that were willing but they weren't really cute so I passed. Only 4 of the 20 or so girls I had let me cum in their mouth which is drastically lower than in Thailand or PI. Two swallowed. Two rimmed. One liked being slapped. One would let me three finger her ass but not fuck it. Two deep throated. Youngest was 18 just turned nineteen yesterday and the oldest 25. Might still have one coming at 10 pm and another in the morning at 9 am before I leave but I fully expect one or both not to show up as it's happened quite a bit. Thanks to the Jakarta regulars for all the posts and info.

[Ggekko2009]

But after I had sex with a few Indo girls, I liked the fact that they were so easy to get and that they worshipped me and serviced me like a King. .... A white girl will want me to do work by going down on them, getting on top, etc. I did enough of that when I was young. Now I just like to lay there and get serviced. I have never been with a blonde, blue eyed prostitute in my life, but my thinking is that they will not provide the same subservient service that the asian girls provide. The hot girls in South America are not as subservient but are more passionate than the Asians so they are also fun.

I remember being asked once by a Romanian girl "Do you want to fuck me or I fuck you? I looked at her strangely at first and wanted to know the difference. She said it means who get to do the work.

[Smoothy]

East Asians who visited these FKKs always always go for the blondes who are slim.

I think for most of the world, men prefer blue eyed blondes over any type of girl. Not all guys, but the majority. As far as Asians selecting those blondes when they have a chance in a P4 P situation, I think that's mainly because they don't have a chance of having sex with a girl like that without paying for it (or at least an extremely low chance). Guys like to try girls who aren't easily achieved. Although Asian men will basically never choose a black african girl though even though those are also girls they would not normally be around.

Growing up a white guy in the USA, almost every girlfriend I ever had when I was young was slim, and blonde with blue eyes. (I would have preferred an Anna Nicole Smith type over a slimmer girl, but I only got that lucky once.) I thought they were the best looking girls and I still think that to this day. I had zero interest in Asian or black girls back then even if they threw themselves at me. I would go for a brunette or red head white girl, but always preferred blondes. Even when I very first moved to Jakarta, I had no interest in the local girls the first month and actually looked for blonde expat girls. But after I had sex with a few Indo girls, I liked the fact that they were so easy to get and that they worshipped me and serviced me like a King. It was also a nice change since i had been with all white girls until then. I also went through a phase where I went with almost exclusively black girls for 6 months after that, but I go that out of my system. Nowadays I would choose an Indo over a white blonde girl for sex. Not because I think Indo girls are better looking, I think blonde white girls are still better looking. But an Asian girl will service me while I just lay there. A white girl will want me to do work by going down on them, getting on top, etc. I did enough of that when I was young. Now I just like to lay there and get serviced. I have never been with a blonde, blue eyed prostitute in my life, but my thinking is that they will not provide the same subservient service that the asian girls provide. The hot girls in South America are not as subservient but are more passionate than the Asians so they are also fun. That being said, a westernized asian girl is just as bad as a white girl. Too demanding in bed.

[Ggekko2009]

One man's trash is another man's treasure, and vice-versa. I often find Asian men's taste in women to be odd. Although I do agree that there are many westerners who go with not only dark skinned, but ugly women in Jakarta. If you ask any local, they will laugh and say that white guys have terrible taste and that they go with ugly dark skin girls who look like maids. And I admit that is quite often accurate. I enjoy sitting in a cafe with a pretty indo girl then pointing out whenever a young handsome white guy walks by with an ugly indo girl. The local girls love to complain about that. LOL. And that is almost always the case for some reason. The handsome young white guys seem to end up with the fugly ones. You will see an old fat white guy with a good looking indonesian girl on occasion, but rarely will you see a young handsome white guy with a looker. However, just because a girl has dark skin doesn't mean she will be ugly, there are some very hot girls with dark skin as well. There are even some hot girls who have had babies and are older. I don't normally take them home, but I will say there definitely are some. I think that Asian men often choose a small and young girl over a voluptuous woman because they are afraid their penis size will not be adequate to handle a mature woman or a girl who has had a baby.

That reminds me of a story. I took a girl home from BATS one night who I thought was as close to a 10 as I have ever seen in Asia. She was 28 years old, but literally stunning and had never had a baby. She had the most beautiful face, great hair, nice skin, voluptuous body (great tits and ass), flat stomach, and was just overall gorgeous. She looked kind of like the girl in the picture attached to this post (porn star christy canyon in her prime). And she was fantastic in bed. I rarely ever keep a girl long time, but we had great sex all night long. A few days later, an Asian buddy of mine was in town from Hong Kong and he wanted to go out. I told him he absolutely had to try that girl. I really talked her up and he was excited to meet her. When he did meet her, he wasn't even interested. I asked him why and he told me he didn't think he could handle a girl like that. He thought she might laugh at his dick size. I thought he was nuts, and found that an odd comment since he is over 6 feet tall. He has to be better endowed than the average Asian dude. So we left BATS and we then ended up going to a north Jakarta brothel and he selected a tiny very young girl with no tits who I thought looked almost like a 10 year old boy. I thought she was ugly and she did nothing at all for me. He thought she was great. Go figure.

I did see a Japanese guy in BATS not too long ago with a girl I considered to be a real stunner (although she wasn't any better looking than the 21 year old girl I was with that night). The girl with the Japanese guy wasn't that young, I would guess around 25 but she was very attractive and well maintained. I am not sure where he pulled her from, but she wasn't a BATS girl and from the way she acted she had never been in BATS before. Most likely he pulled her from an expensive karaoke place, but I am not certain. I'm not sure if the Japanese guy couldn't speak English or if the girl couldn't speak English because he was sitting at the bar using google translate to talk to her. He was staying in that hotel and wanted her to come to his room for the night. I was hoping she would go to the restroom so I could follow her there and get her number, but it didn't happen. I was standing behind them watching them text back and forth on google translate. He asked her if she would come to his room and have sex with him. She started out asking for 15 million rupiah for the night. I almost laughed out loud. He then countered with 6 million. They went back and forth until they agreed on 10 million. That is 5 times as much as I have ever given any girl in Jakarta. And I didn't think she was any better looking than the girl I was with who I gave 1 million that night. My girl was actually, slimmer, whiter, and younger with a prettier face. His girl did have bigger boobs. However, I would bet that guy would have traded girls with me with no argument. For him to give that girl he was with 10 million is nuts. But at least she didn't look like a 10 year old boy, so kudos to him for that.

Interesting post.

You are right that the factors that attracts differ greatly across cultures. From what I observed, many p4 p girls that I found in Colombia have big boobs and butts that are mostly fakes. This looks like a beauty standard set by South Americans and the many tourists that come the North America as well. Many Europeans that I observe in the FKKs in Germany and Netherlands like the African girls and the occasional Asian ones. East Asians who visited these FKKs always always go for the blondes who are slim. Even when I feel that certain girls are slim, they would rule them as chubby. As a result, many of these brunette will often dye their hair according to these tastes. They would never ever pick any Africans or other Asians (duh!

By the way, I went to CJ on Wednesday night and happened to select a slim girl that has flat tits and no baby damage. Granted I like her because she was nice and friendly and in fact work in car sales. However, it was one of the lousiest sex that I had in Indonesia. She was not willing to provide BJ at all (This alone will be a criteria to throw out the girl, but I like her and so kept her). Next, she was not able to spread her legs wide without squeeming in pain. No wonder her bule husband left her after a few months in marriage. My point is that different people have different criteria that makes them tick, and in many instances I usually have lousy sessions with the slim ones, even those that look like models.

[Goferring]

Most times it's a sure failure marrying a hooker, but I do have friends who married Blok M girls or girls from Soi Cowboy / Nana, and believe it or not those marriages have been successful. A bunch of us were at Christmas dinner one night and all of the wives were white women other than one Thai girl a guy had married. She was a former Long Gun bar show girl. When he introduced her to the expat wives, he said she was a nurse. LOL!!!!.

Yep there are some outliers who do manage to take the bar out of the girl. I lived in a town once where a dickhead went around trying to blackmail some of the newly respectable wives. Basically, ante up or your past will be revealed. Strangely enough, cops found some white powder in his hotel room and he's still doing time.

Never fuck with the girls. 😎.

[Smoothy]

It also work from the other side as well. Asian wives know that they have nothing to fear from the hookers. They will never offer the social acceptability, business connections and stability that a "good" woman will. Hubby is never going to leave all that for something he can get on any street corner with loose change.

A white wife, on the other hand, has everything to fear from the pretty young thing in the secretarial pool.

The Korean guy who lives near me divorced his Korean wife and married a hooker from CJs. She's a hotty though, I will give him that. I had sex with her years ago before he married her. She seems to be loyal to him because she refuses my advances now. He runs some business in Jakarta and has lived here for over 10 years, so he is not traveling back and forth to Korea. They have been married around 10 years now.

The funniest one I have seen was a co-worker of mine (white guy from Australia) who retired at 65, divorced his 60 something year old Aussie wife, and married his 20 year old maid. He spoke no Indonesian and she spoke no English. I lost track of that relationship, I can only imagine it ended badly.

Most times it's a sure failure marrying a hooker, but I do have friends who married Blok M girls or girls from Soi Cowboy / Nana, and believe it or not those marriages have been successful. A bunch of us were at Christmas dinner one night and all of the wives were white women other than one Thai girl a guy had married. She was a former Long Gun bar show girl. When he introduced her to the expat wives, he said she was a nurse. LOL!!!!

Being single myself, I prefer a good time with the girl for the evening, not 1 hour in a brothel with a girl who has sex with 10 guys a day. I have no plans to marry any of them, but I do like to have fun.