Kyiv

[DramaFree11]

A good amount of those ladies on bride sites are paid to chat with foreigners trying to scam them.

Stay frosty.

Very true. 5-10 years ago, probably not. Now common practice. Many of these girls make there living off this. They get a cut from the agency, restaurant, and bars. They also say they live far away and ask for a crazy about for there taxi fare. I have written about this a lot in the past, very good questions.

One of my good friends was the manager for one of these site and my ex-girlfriend also ran a site. Big scam stay away from these site.

[AntonySun1996]

I have a question for the guys who have been to Ukraine and know the works: those agencies like Ukrainian Brides etc, do they work for getting non pros? I mean, apart from getting a husband they might be looking for less definite agreements. Or is it just a scam? Thanks for the help.

A good amount of those ladies on bride sites are paid to chat with foreigners trying to scam them.

Stay frosty.

[AntonySun1996]

Any recent experience?

[Fifino68]

I have a question for the guys who have been to Ukraine and know the works: those agencies like Ukrainian Brides etc, do they work for getting non pros? I mean, apart from getting a husband they might be looking for less definite agreements. Or is it just a scam? Thanks for the help.

[DramaFree11]

Arena-City has number of clubs, including strip and regular club house music. Didn't impress me, just like all those Dlux, Shooters, Caribbean.

All these are dead and a big waste of money, time and resources. Stick with meeting girls on the street or agency, but be prepared it is just not that good.

[DramaFree11]

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2123282.

IMHO it is a perfect example of properly set expectations and a good prep work, leading to a successful implementation by a happy guy, who in the end was sorry to leave Kiev.

Going back one year, to prove a point. , I love how my posts are proved indirectly The reason people do not post after the trip is for the following reasons:

1. Quality of girls and over-inflated prices.

2. Too many S. Tourists.

3. Zero Night Life.

4. Fake Profiles.

5. Too man scams.

6. Embarrassed.

In my opinion that people do not post is because individuals are happy and they do not want to spread the work is insane and delusional. I am happy to post about my good experiences in other countries.

Homework only help a little because of all the Fake Profiles, now you can referrals from other members, but that can be hit or miss, because I believe most that like Kiev have a very low standards, and love the pain that goes along with messing with Ukraine Women and there games. Not all, but a large percentage.

[PhotoSlider]

Hello everyone,

Newcomer in Ukraine here, any recommendation for good club / parties? I'll have one week end of January. Thanks.

Trance Club "Closer" in Podol has been mentioned here as a gay bar where straight individuals are tolerated.

One of the girls promised to take me to "Heaven" downtown, but we got distracted, or perhaps she decided against being seen with me by her friends.

Arena-City has number of clubs, including strip and regular club house music. Didn't impress me, just like all those Dlux, Shooters, Caribbean and so on. Kontramarka. Ua, parter. Ua and other websites have calendar of events.

Karaoke bars are everywhere throughout downtown, but you would need a local to show you a good one.

Maybe hire a girl guide from showaround.com. She will not provide sex, but some of the guides know where to party, being it techno house music, trance, gay, BDSM, or whatever you like. Those show around guide girls live in Kiev, and charge anywhere from free to 5-10-24 USD an hour. For 5-10 bucks you can have a good female wingwoman, if agreed in advance. I hired twice just to keep me company for conversation, as at the time I couldn't have sex)). One lost control after few drinks, and started telling stories how she was slapping asses of her tourist guests at BDSM bar. She looked great, but in the end was too full of herself. The other guide was very classy, - intelligent, beautiful, conscientious. Very nice young lady.

I like "Avalon". It has multiple venues: Live Music on the main floor, Karaoke, Roof Terrace with great music, but it is not a party place, and not exactly for pick up. More of a relax with your own girl. Very good DJs, food, and eye candy.

Maybe try tripadvisor or even google maps? Not sure how much they can be trusted.

Many places are good at separating you from your money.

[PhotoSlider]

Hello everyone,

Newcomer in Ukraine here, any recommendation for good club / parties? I'll have one week end of January. Thanks.

Try this 3 part report, written by a newbie short time visitor to Kiev:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2123282

IMHO it is a perfect example of properly set expectations and a good prep work, leading to a successful implementation by a happy guy, who in the end was sorry to leave Kiev.

[DramaFree11]

I actually like RIO, but for the price sorry, no way. The quality of girls is just not that great anymore, there was s time, but not now. Time you pay travel expenses you are way over $400-500, just not worth it hook up with a 5 or 6.

The last 2 times I went with my old girlfriend she was 5'8", 105, Beautiful girl. She laughed at the quality of girls there. She, said, "I thought this is where the most beautiful girls in Kiev Work, then laughed. " Many others have also posted about Rio, and selection of girls, just average girls and way overpriced. As I recall also very difficult to get phone numbers there, but do not quote me on this one.

I did have a lot of good memories of the place, back in the day.

[DramaFree11]

Could you tell me where is the "other destinations and hook up with actual real models"?

Moscow and parts of Mexico, but this takes time and money. You can read some of my old posts.

[PhotoSlider]

Newcomer in Ukraine here, any recommendation for good club / parties? I'll have one week end of January. Thanks.

There is a wide spectrum of opinions on the subject. However, even with the most optimistic position, or outright negative criticism, in reality no cookie cutter answer exists for Kiev.

What are your requirements for Ukrainian ladies? Can you afford spending $300-400 on a girl from Rio strip club, knowing that after private dance test drive, she may, or may not, live up to your expectations of passionate love making?

What is your age? How successful are you with women in your own environment? Can you talk to the girl that you never met before on the street, when she just finished her University classes, and crossed the street? Can you dismiss rejection again and again, and find the strength to keep trying?

Many newbies succeed on the first one-week try in Kiev. Some report here on their approach in the happiest manner, some don't.

Those that fail, frequently blame Kiev and rarely themselves. Honest ones occasionally find mistakes in their philosophy and behavior, and Forum benefits from their thoughts sharing.

IMHO failure here and there represents statistically random nature of the matter at hand, that is Ukrainian ladies and their love. If you are successful back home, maybe your chances in Kiev are higher. It is definitely not for faint-hearted, but it is not as grim as one would imagine. There's lot of fun to be had in Kiev!

How many pages of this Forum / how far back did you read? All the answers are there. Nobody will create a new digest.

[Kingmax Xx]

I have written on GIA a lot, you can look at some of the past points. It should only be use for 2 things:

1. First is you are in Kiev for business quick trip, definitely works great for that.

2. If you are planning on living in Kiev or staying for long periods of time. As others have said get there phone numbers and negotiate. Not sure that is as easy as they say, but you try. Also you need to remember these girls travel a lot, so you probably need 2 or 3. That is going to take some serous time and big budget.

If you are planning on visiting for 4-7 days and plan on using High End Agencies, it is just a waste of money. You can go to many other destinations and hook up with actual real models for the prices guys are paying in Kiev, now for High End Escorts. Anything above $150, for multiple hours in Kiev, is way too much to be with 6's and that is what 90% of them are, maybe a couple of 7's. 6's are very attainable in Kiev, anything else is very difficult for foreigners.

Could you tell me where is the "other destinations and hook up with actual real models"?

[DramaFree11]

Hello everyone,

Newcomer in Ukraine here, any recommendation for good club / parties? I'll have one week end of January. Thanks.

Night Life is bad in Kiev, best stick with Escorts. Friday's are the nights that people do go out, but very hit or miss.

Sorry for the bad news!

[VivalDim]

Hello everyone,

Newcomer in Ukraine here, any recommendation for good club / parties? I'll have one week end of January. Thanks.

[PhotoSlider]

I learned this a long time ago in the 90's. I left my phone in the glove box while my girlfriend sat in the car while I went in a shop and then my other girl called. My GF answered the phone. That was some drama for sure.

1. One of my ladies in similar situations says:

- I am a big girl, I understand.

Still, she may have a sad face, and I do my best to respect her feelings.

2. Another one says:

- I am not your wife or girlfriend. You do what you want to do.

But it is a two way street and some of the girls are attached to their phones with umbilical cord everywhere, managing the candidates. Those are not the keepers. Kozerog explained his view on the subject. I am not that aggressive, I simply dismiss smartphone junkies without explaining much. Philosophy is simple, the two of us should have sufficient interest in each other. My phone is away when we have dinner, or go to Theater, unless there is an exceptional photo opportunity. Then I ask for permission.

3. There was one truly beautiful hot hot hot girl, that decided to answer Viber message about arranging her portfolio photo session while riding on top of me. I expressed my astonishment, and she, in a matter-of-fact style, without slowing down gyrations of her amazing butt, explained that answering right this moment is extremely important to her career advancement.

4. One of the best GFs turned her own phone off for the duration, and didn't answer anything while she was with me or at my residence, even when we were together for multiple days. Considering the level of her addiction to selfies (she did take at least 70 selfies a day on mine, every day, day in and day out), that was some serious self discipline). She also left her phone face up in the bedroom while taking a long shower. There is a high demand for her, as she is one of the best in bed. IMO on the scale from 1 to 10 she is 10 with her attitude and 21 with performance, therefore she is rather confident that she will not be left without attention. Still somehow I was lucky to be with her for a long time before she hardened eventually.

During our days together we agreed not to go for dinner at the same place again. It was interesting, because we both are rather picky, but fortunately Kiev has enough to offer. She looked stunning. Gorgeous hair, stiletto heels shoes, legs probably 1 meter 20 long. And we both had smiles walking into those restaurants, sitting down, and watching the other males turning their heads and dropping jaws. I asked her:

- Are they trying to figure out if I am your father?

And she answered with the smile:

- Why are you sitting so far away? Kiss me please, so that they have no doubts.

5. And another lady used to get Viber messages from her fiancee without hiding anything from me. Didn't even turn over her phone face down on the nightstand next to our bed. Inadvertently I could see that popup notifications came from "Lyubimyi / My Love". She also sincerely asked for my advice about him. She still does, and visibly values it.

Polygamy in Kiev goes both ways.