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[Bfsie]

... Dutch FKK clubs owned by Dutch will never reach to the same level as German FKK clubs owned by German in terms of WG's service....

I should re-write above: ... Dutch FKK clubs owned by Dutchs on average will never reach to the same level as German FKK clubs owned by ETHNIC Germans in terms of WG's service...

I have never been to YY and other Dutch FKK clubs, but I am pretty sure that the WG's services in those clubs are not good compared to the equivalent German clubs because of culture difference

I should re-write above: I have never been to YY and other Dutch FKK clubs, but I am pretty sure that the WG's services in those clubs on average are not good compared to the equivalent German clubs owned by ethnic Germans because of culture difference. I can’t imagine any Dutch club provides the same (or better) quality of WG’s service as GT or Babylon for example.

[Member #4636]

For me, it is not jealousy, but at the beginning of mongering life, I did have this feeling that wow how does such girl like this good end up in prostitution industry? This feeling I still have when I meet really beautiful girl both inside and out, but I never let me have illusion of any kind because in the end, we are in brothel world where GFE experience and sex are given in exchange for money we pay.

I always have this question to my self when I meet a really beautiful girl inside and out and I see her opening wide her legs for every dirty monger. We men tend to confuse the outside look with what is inside. We think that just because she is nice and beautiful she should do a 'better' job, we feel shame for her.

This is not always good because sometimes we want to 'help' her get out of this shit.

[Pistons]

I have heard the exact opposite regarding what is degrading than what Bfsie describes. But I suppose different girls have different views. And also, one shouldn't buy into everything we hear. When it comes to dutch clubs, SixSense would also contradict Bfsie's argument.

Phallus: Never underestimate a paradigm change. And even capitalism changes like an organism. Everything in society does.

I asked a girl once if she kissed her customers. She responded that she did not. She claimed she was there for sex. Not for love. And that kissing would feel degrading to her. Then I pointed out the french greeting culture. Four kisses on the cheeks just to say Hi. But she claimed that was 'cultural'.

'Yeah, exactly' was what I responded. 'But one guy also must first have introduced that kiss greeting. And maybe he received a few slaps on his face before people agreed to it. Now everybody does it. The thing is, if you want something to make you feel bad, you feel bad about it. If you want something to make you feel good, you feel good about it. ' I don't think I have to explain the morals of the story here, but there is a certain link to the enlightenment. Martin Luther etc etc.

After that I saw her sitting by herself thinking about it for what must have been 20 minutes. Beautiful girl. I didn't approach her again. If people let the world around them choose what they are to think or believe in, then let them. We cannot change what people believe in. For this girl, the result was less income. But she was faithful to her beliefs. Considering she also seemed to have chosen this job, then believing parts of what she did was degrading, was probably something she had picked up from other people, or the environment around her. But with a truly liberal mindset she would think for herself. But as mentioned in my last post, and Takedown hinted at also, framed words such as 'w. Ore', and 'ho. Oker' have been brought out into public discourse for a purpose by certain interest groups in order to program non liberal individuals. And this is why religious people are having the hardest time also accepting the trade of sex for money. Since they have already once given up their free mind to the idea that there is something out there that is beyond human capabilities and know how. And that we should listen to the hierarchy and leaders of current belief systems. And as the story goes, all the cultist brainwashing moves onwards with rituals, ceremonies, celebrations and holy books of morals without reasoning. Ad infinitum.

The main paradigm change which has barely started, and hardly many, if even any world leaders get a slight graps of the boundaries of today, is the information age. And the internet in particular. Eventually it will make the enlightenment turn into a baby step of a mouse.

[Tp273]

Thanks to all for their great posts.

This summer I have two weeks of free time and I thought it would be fun to tour Germany and Switzerland just to visit FKK clubs.

Having been to several clubs in Berlin and Stuttgart I enjoyed the experience but am curious about the large clubs.

Any suggestions are welcome and I plan to travel between cities by train.

Thanks again.

In Frankfurt you can travel by train close to Sharks, Oase & Mainhatten but you will need a cab to get to the club from the train stop. These clubs have a lot of upsell so expect to pay 100 E for 1/2 HR with BBBJ.

I prefer the somewhat smaller clubs up North in the Cologne area such as Babylon Koln & Samya. 1/2 HR with BBBJ is 50 E for most girls. Further north to Dusseldorf Area I liked Acapulco (40 E girls) & GoldenTime (50 E girls) . On the way to Switzerland I stopped at FKK Sakura in Stuttgart. It was a nice club and girls were 50 E. I never made it to any Swiss clubs yet! It is much better to use a rental car especially up North.

[Tp273]

I have never been to YY and other Dutch FKK clubs, but I am pretty sure that the WG's services in those clubs are not good compared to the equivalent German clubs because of culture difference.

I have been to YY and the service was the same as I received in German FKK's except nobody tried to upsell BBBJ at YY. It was 50 E with BBBJ & DATY!

[Takedown]

There have been clubs in Emmerich before (Fun Garden, Lekker Ding), but they always struggle. Schuttdorf is near the border as well and Golden Dreams always struggled to get decent line ups, until they left. Just 20 miles down the A3 from Emmerich you have SC Venus and Gallardo (previously Marisol), all of which struggle to get anything going that resembles the bigger clubs (although Venus can be nice for a few hours). Simply put, (I think) that far north there aren't enough people to make clubs with many girls successful. Neither in Germany nor in the Netherlands. If you are travelling from the bigger Ducth cities (Amsterdam, Utrecht, Rotterdam), you'll be on the road for a while anyway and the difference between Bruggen and Emmerich won't matter. Believe me, I do this a few times each month and normally I breeze past Emmerich and Hamminkeln towards clubs I want to visit. Or I cross the border at Venlo (smack in between Yin Yang and Golden Time).

Well hopefully they do it right. 30 euro entry to start helps bring in some locals. They're giving girls 2 months of free entry. With the recent closure of Penelope and soon to be suspension of Yin Yang, perhaps the stars will align for them to recruit some talent. Considering their location, perhaps the best case scenario is GoldenTime if it is German run. The worst case scenario is perhaps Acapulco Velbert.

[Bfsie]

In my opinion since I know Dutch culture a little after many years living in Netherlands, Dutch FKK clubs owned by Dutch will never reach to the same level as German FKK clubs owned by German in terms of WG's service, because Dutch culture is very liberal unlike German culture and Dutch people in general are much more liberal than German people. So if a club is managed by Dutch, the club culture would usually be liberal and the Dutch managers would use hands-off approach to the WG's service and this usually means lousy WG's service.

I have never been to YY and other Dutch FKK clubs, but I am pretty sure that the WG's services in those clubs are not good compared to the equivalent German clubs because of culture difference.

[Bfsie]

I was asked a couple of times on ISG why most of the FKK WGs are from Romania (while vast majority of the WGs in real German brothels are non-Romanian-and-Bulgarian) and I didn't answer the question at that time due to my respect to FKK fans here. Since we are talking about the rudeness of FKK WGs and I have some time these days, I think that now it is right time to give my view of this question which I think helps understanding difficult work FKK WGs face.

FKK club environment is much more DEGRADING environment for the WGs than the environment of real brothels which I am a frequent customer of. WGs are human beings and they have their dignity too despite their line of work. I often had small talk with the WGs in the brothels about FKK club and almost all of them said that working in FKK club is just too low for them, meaning it is like in meat market and the WGs are treated like animals. They usually also said that 50 euro for half hour is also too low for them and they have to work long hours a day if they work in FKK.

So if FKK WGs are unfriendly or rude, we should understand they have difficult work not only physically, but also mentally and psychologically.

[TankTank123]

.... then of course it will not be subject to the July 2017 German laws,

Why will it not be subject to German Law, if it is to be located in Emmerich which is in Germany?

[Pahllus Maximus]

It is trite to say WG are humans with a wide spectrum of fluidly changing interests. Common sense for sure. However, most women do not naturally spread their legs for cash several times in an evening with random guys. This centers around their desire for money and the male urge to hump pretty things. Some girls blow the cash on BS as fast as they make it. Others save. Some support their families that are poor. It is easy to forget that large parts of Europe are very poor and quite isolated. For girls there, marriage and children is the only real path. The big cities beckon with excitement and money and a bit of adventure. It is easy to see the attraction. Young women can be promiscuous and have real biological sexual urges, and WG's tell me that they get used to lots of cock and tend to miss it after a break. Others not.

One could generalize ad infinitum. This is an ancient trade that probably goes back to the start of modern humans over 40,000 years ago. Having said that, the paradigm shift of Piston's has some DNA barriers in the form of behavior and plenty of powerful social and economic vested interests in perpetuating reproduction of economic units for profit, whether by tax or charging money for stuff, or selling data as in the modern economy.

In the meantime, how wonderful is to have clean clubs, safety, a huge range of eye candy you can screw for a relatively modest cost and without complications? It is completely consensual in places like Germany, just good clean fun. The outrage is that men get to have the fun of this platter and women don't as they are not interested in a bar full of men to screw them. They are alive to the fact FKK's and prostitution in general directly competes with their limited time window to snag a man and weakens the availability of commitment to a long term subscription when men can buy ala carte.

It's just how the tension is.

[Free Dude]

Interesting. The Dutch have up till now found it hard to set up thriving clubs (resulting I believe to the way that they are taxed, which discriminates against establishments with many girls: I expect other members know the detail). If this club can get started then of course it will not be subject to the July 2017 German laws, which will give an edge over the German clubs.

There have been clubs in Emmerich before (Fun Garden, Lekker Ding), but they always struggle. Schuttdorf is near the border as well and Golden Dreams always struggled to get decent line ups, until they left. Just 20 miles down the A3 from Emmerich you have SC Venus and Gallardo (previously Marisol), all of which struggle to get anything going that resembles the bigger clubs (although Venus can be nice for a few hours). Simply put, (I think) that far north there aren't enough people to make clubs with many girls successful. Neither in Germany nor in the Netherlands. If you are travelling from the bigger Ducth cities (Amsterdam, Utrecht, Rotterdam), you'll be on the road for a while anyway and the difference between Bruggen and Emmerich won't matter. Believe me, I do this a few times each month and normally I breeze past Emmerich and Hamminkeln towards clubs I want to visit. Or I cross the border at Venlo (smack in between Yin Yang and Golden Time).

[Optimist]

Thanks for the level headed post Optimist, as always.

Found out something today from a WG. Apparently a brand new club will be opening in the Dutch-German border town of Emmerich. Best part is the name, Golden Day. I have no idea if related to GT but I'm sure they are looking to siphon off some of that Dutch business. For now, it will be a 30 euro entry club.

Interesting. The Dutch have up till now found it hard to set up thriving clubs (resulting I believe to the way that they are taxed, which discriminates against establishments with many girls: I expect other members know the detail). If this club can get started then of course it will not be subject to the July 2017 German laws, which will give an edge over the German clubs.

[Tom525]

Thanks to all for their great posts.

This summer I have two weeks of free time and I thought it would be fun to tour Germany and Switzerland just to visit FKK clubs.

Having been to several clubs in Berlin and Stuttgart I enjoyed the experience but am curious about the large clubs.

Any suggestions are welcome and I plan to travel between cities by train.

Thanks again.

[Sirioja]

You make a good point about the girls covering their faces. I always have a question for the girls who send 1 k per month home, who take 3 months a year off work and spend it back home, who buy a beautiful new house with cash, who have small children that stay in their home country with their grandparents, and who say there families don't know what they do for work. Do you really think what you do is a secret from your parents. Do you think your parents believe a waitress, bar tender, hotel maid, etc makes 10 k per month in Germany? I tell them it's not a secret it's denial. The secret is that their parents are o with them working as a prostitute as long as they are providing for their families back home.

Some ladies are super protective of their real identities. Others, after a couple meetings will share a look inside their life with you. I personally take it with a grain of salt because the one thing I've learned via this hobby, some of the greatest illusionists in the world work in Sauna Clubs as prostitutes.

For sure, Romanian families prefer to play blind, enjoying the fast money. Which other job could make so much fast money? Modeling? But not many FKK girls are model look.

[CaneUppHosAss]

You make a good point about the girls covering their faces. I always have a question for the girls who send 1 k per month home, who take 3 months a year off work and spend it back home, who buy a beautiful new house with cash, who have small children that stay in their home country with their grandparents, and who say there families don't know what they do for work. Do you really think what you do is a secret from your parents. Do you think your parents believe a waitress, bar tender, hotel maid, etc makes 10 k per month in Germany? I tell them it's not a secret it's denial. The secret is that their parents are o with them working as a prostitute as long as they are providing for their families back home.

Some ladies are super protective of their real identities. Others, after a couple meetings will share a look inside their life with you. I personally take it with a grain of salt because the one thing I've learned via this hobby, some of the greatest illusionists in the world work in Sauna Clubs as prostitutes.

Hello Sir,

American Psychology Association talks about power of pretending. Several researchers have done work on this topic. Dr Paul Harris wrote a book called work of imagination. He discusses this in the context of children and role play, role play vs pretending but essentially while even a 3 year old may not have any understanding of theory of mind, the child is able to use role play to predict the actions and reactions and thought processes of others. I think this concept can probably be extended to the situation you described which is that the role play that happens between a working girl and her family in Romania and pretending to not know.