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[Pistons]

Wallah Pistons, the problem with game theory is that it assumes human beings make rational choices. So it is not very good at predicting the behavior of 40-year old guys much less 20-year old girls.

True, it is not perfect. Especially when the big heads ideas conflict with the smaller ones. LOL. Or the two voices in the head of the little girl speaks. One angel and one demon. But I think there is more to the subconscious mind than most people think. But then we might have to start discussing what is free will. Does free will exist? We don't have any proof. But we know person A always takes a choice. And that choice is based on his judgement of previous impulses. Like a butterfly effect.

Edit: what I ment was: we don't know for sure how much of a choice we really have. If any. These are only theories. And far out philosophy, or physics. Determinism contradicts free will, and that is the only thing we can find out through a study.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/does-free-will-exist-in-the-universe-that-would-be-a-no

(Takedown: maybe I subconsciously had a determined idea of testing your possessive trait there by moving up on a grey zone. And the test came out valid through an overreaction)

[Takedown]

So if a WG pretends to be in love with her client, so that she can over the course of months put him into heavy financial debt--is she a sociopath? Not necessarily. Such WGs have the capacity to feel and share the pain of people in their personal lives, but with their lovesick clients, this conscience may not be present.

Not 100% sure if you are saying these WGs don't have true empathy; but if so, I want to interject that empathy and conscience are not inclusive. One can have true empathy but still betray one's own conscience. Empathy merely means you can feel what the other person is feeling, but does not imply that you feel a moral obligation to them.

[Takedown]

Takedown,

1. Terrible session never means a session is wasted. It just wasn't worth a repeat. Maybe if someone doesn't get his blood flowing or is impotent, then a terrible session can mean it is wasted.

2. Excuses for possessive attitude leads nowhere no matter the reasoning. True or false, they don't matter. Without me going into my almost completely different observations of your descriptions. Word against word.

3. Are you chatting with KK? I reread my post and it is quite obvious. The 'nutjob' addition is added as an ironic example of all posters on ISG. It is called irony.

1. Okay, whatever it takes to find peace after a loss. Still a terrible session that could have been avoided if one listens and heeds. It was a terrible sequence of events nonetheless, dropping another 75 on nothing. I have sympathy for you with that loss, although it was self inflicted and could have easily and predictably been avoided. What do I know? You were only warned at every step a mistake was being made. I suppose it is a blow to the ego to admit that.

2. Speaking of excuses, they are often made for oneself when rejected by others, worse when a WG finds you are not worth the time and money. It's even more sad when in order to deflect, one points fingers at anyone but himself. Regarding interjection, even other parties present said intruding was wrong. Blaming others is a poor substitute for self awareness.

3. Yes we spoke. In fact another party brought it to his attention. That makes at least 3 parties who read something other than what you claim you intended.

Bonus: Again, who deemed FKKs bastions of sharing pussy and not just another form of German brothel. Fake news for cultist nutjobs.

[Polyamorist]

You don't need to talk about game theory for it to have existed since the beginning of life itself.

Wallah Pistons, the problem with game theory is that it assumes human beings make rational choices. So it is not very good at predicting the behavior of 40-year old guys much less 20-year old girls.

[Pistons]

Empathy. TheCane humorously makes the point which I would make. I argued that empathy is a great asset for a working girl, from her own utilitarian standpoint, but, however much empathy she has, her job is to make money. So, she wants to make money, and we want sex (or whatever we seek). TheCane reminds us of this very appropriately.

As McAdonis says, empathy is not the same as pretending to have empathy (often a skilled con person can appear to be empathetic). In general I go along with Pistons that empathy is a positive.

Nick, you assume that empathy means a total transference of priorities to the object (of that empathy). False assumption. Having empathy for a person does not mean we give them loads of money and ignore our own lives. But, as Pistons suggests, maybe we might modify our behaviour: I have indeed been in a room with girls suffering from migraines and God knows what, and even extended them into long sessions so the girl can rest. But maybe that was just to boost my self-image as an empathetic guy LOL. Anyway, if we have empathy we need to use it for ourselves as well (maybe compassion is a better word).

No need to nail all this down to any firm conclusions, but if we mix up all our differing contributions, it is clear that for us, buying sex is not a brutal inhuman exploitation that so often the politicians suggest. Maybe there is more humanity in these posts than in some political parties.

If I have misrepresented anyone's views, apologies.

Mainly correct I suppose, but you missed my game theory point. Basically saying the same as McAdonis, although I had a slightly different take on it. McAdonis take on empathy as different from pretending to be empathy is in that sense negative. In the case you mention it to be, it is to make you feel better. So a positive. My theoretical take on it was neutral. As in game theory. And I believe (without any links if any smartass want to ask for it), that we instinctivly are good to other and show empathy in orders in order to obtain something more. Perhaps just subconsciously. Not necessarily allways negative, nor positive. It can be both or neighter. The world is very grey.

I did wrote that McAdoni's post was very good. It was to show that side of the discussion. It doesn't mean however that I agree with the psychological distinction of a sociopath more than it being just a theoretical idea. Yes, there might be some brain areas lighting up more with the so called sociopaths, but it can just as well be a cocktail of other more natural feelings that person has. Loners, people with messed up hormonal imbalances, or a whole range of environmental factors. 'Sociopathic tendencies' might be a better term, but it is still negative framing in the context of empathy. At least since she does consider this a job. And as someone who has worked in sales, being a good seller does not make you a sociopath. It just makes you a good seller. And there are several ways to reach that goal. Still, it is very good for a buyer to know of all the angles you can have on the empathy shown.

[Pistons]

Wrong. The kinds of phenomena that game theory studies have been around since life itself. But game theory is the mathematical study of that phenomena. And game theory, that study, has been around for less than one hundred years. It was invented by John von Neumann in the 1940's.

OK wise guy. So I was talking about the phenomena. Not that I agree with your semantics, but if it makes you feel better.

[Mr Ho]

I go to FKK to have sex, to fulfill my lust knowing FKK is a brothel, but many mongers seems to be going there for different purposes also like communicating with opposite sex, practicing social skills and empathy is so far what I heard here, I think before feeling empathy we are part of this prostitution or pimping business model, so I think we are guilty from that stand point and one may argue that we give them money because we feel empathy, yes we do, after we stick our penis into her mouth, ass and pussy and make them lick our body LOL! I mean. We are the demand, that is why they supply, we are all in same boat here called prostitution business model.

I think we should not treat girls in bad manner or we may give respect to some of the FKK girls for remaining such a warm person after all these hard situations in their life because some of them are really warm hearted, but hey we exploit them also for their situation, we should not be self righteous because we are the cause of all this, without supply, they would not be there chasing their fast cash that we give in exchange of our need of putting our penis into their mouth, pussy and ass LOL.

[Pistons]

Takedown,

1. Terrible session never means a session is wasted. It just wasn't worth a repeat. Maybe if someone doesn't get his blood flowing or is impotent, then a terrible session can mean it is wasted.

2. Excuses for possessive attitude leads nowhere no matter the reasoning. True or false, they don't matter. Without me going into my almost completely different observations of your descriptions. Word against word.

3. Are you chatting with KK? I reread my post and it is quite obvious. The 'nutjob' addition is added as an ironic example of all posters on ISG. It is called irony.

[Neurosynth]

You don't need to talk about game theory for it to have existed since the beginning of life itself.

Wrong. The kinds of phenomena that game theory studies have been around since life itself. But game theory is the mathematical study of that phenomena. And game theory, that study, has been around for less than one hundred years. It was invented by John von Neumann in the 1940's.

[Optimist]

All this talk of empathy and sympathy. Who gives a damn? Does she take it nuts deep up the butt hole and receive cum shots to the forehead? That's what we want to know! Hahaha! Shots, shots, shots, shots! LOLOLOL!

You have a secret passage to the inside of my head. While writing my previous post about empathy, my main interest was not what I was writing but rather thinking which girls I was going to ge able to fuck how later this week. Including where I was going to cum. LOL.

[Optimist]

Empathy. TheCane humorously makes the point which I would make. I argued that empathy is a great asset for a working girl, from her own utilitarian standpoint, but, however much empathy she has, her job is to make money. So, she wants to make money, and we want sex (or whatever we seek). TheCane reminds us of this very appropriately.

As McAdonis says, empathy is not the same as pretending to have empathy (often a skilled con person can appear to be empathetic). In general I go along with Pistons that empathy is a positive.

Nick, you assume that empathy means a total transference of priorities to the object (of that empathy). False assumption. Having empathy for a person does not mean we give them loads of money and ignore our own lives. But, as Pistons suggests, maybe we might modify our behaviour: I have indeed been in a room with girls suffering from migraines and God knows what, and even extended them into long sessions so the girl can rest. But maybe that was just to boost my self-image as an empathetic guy LOL. Anyway, if we have empathy we need to use it for ourselves as well (maybe compassion is a better word).

No need to nail all this down to any firm conclusions, but if we mix up all our differing contributions, it is clear that for us, buying sex is not a brutal inhuman exploitation that so often the politicians suggest. Maybe there is more humanity in these posts than in some political parties.

If I have misrepresented anyone's views, apologies.

[CaneUppHosAss]

Hello Sir,

Vegas is a hit and miss. Since you said you know SBs, I will exclude those. I have spent anywhere from $250 to as much as $1200 in Vegas, the latter amount for porn stars and other very high end and obviously a small percent of my total sessions in Vegas. I have also had some luck convincing strippers at a couple of local joints like Spearmint to join me for relatively high amounts but they also need a bit of work and will not go with everyone.

There are a few brothels in driving distance of Vegas which are legal but not good. I prefer the ones closer to Reno and if you can go to Europe even better.

US tends be a mix and not a blackhole as some people imagine. Use discretion, spend some time and due diligence, you can obtain decent paid sex.

[Sirioja]

I agree, facts are to who girls choose to go, I remember a really funny Saturday evening at GT when so many guys were waiting for small German Lucifer and because she didn't forget what she discovered in her body nearly 1 year ago at Palace, she asked to the only guy who was not interested to repeat with her.
I can add to your list : Kity and Katea who for sure would be happy to still get now my business , when she is smiling each time . Guys talk and girls choose who they prefer to go with.

Pistons, had same experience than you with same, and not only one, jealousy is international disease increasing in FKK land, when so easy to be efficient with skill and sport, rather than only talking.

[The Cane]

All this talk of empathy and sympathy. Who gives a damn? Does she take it nuts deep up the butt hole and receive cum shots to the forehead? That's what we want to know! Hahaha! Shots, shots, shots, shots! LOLOLOL!

[Sebastiane]

I know that the USA doesn't have FKK clubs and that sex work is generally illegal outside Nevada I think but obviously Americans must have paid for sex just like anyone else. Assuming money isn't a factor (if an American can fly to Germany for sex then he can afford to pay for sexy at home too!) where do the middle class or professional classes get their paid sex from? Is it from escorts or sugar babies or girls from strip clubs. I'm not a member of the USA forum but I did have a quick look at the Las Vegas forum (since Vegas has an international reputation as the city of sin!) but some of the pictures of the street girls there which some posted were 5's at best (wouldn't do them for free) so where do American guys go in Vegas (or elsewhere) to get the 8's, 9's, 10's without leaving the USA?

Because with high rollers in a place like Vegas you'the think there'the be tons of beautiful girls available right? Say I had a budget of 1000 $ - 2000 $ per day for girls, what kind of paid pussy could I get in Vegas? (This isn't in the USA forum as I'm not a member there). Can you get 9's and 10's in the USA for sex work? I'm sure you can but what will it cost you and how do you go about it? (I'm excluding Sugar Babies as I've done that last time I was in the USA). How would an average girl at Sharks or Oase compare with an average girl in Vegas?