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[Pistons]

When the robots take all the jobs, a lot more of us guys will have nothing to do except spend our time in FKKs and similar environments. And women will have no jobs either, except FKK jobs. So much for the diehard monogamists. There will be a lot more drugs too.

Some will hate the laziness of it all. But it's better than people just hanging out on the streets starting fights.

Oh brave new world! Better get used to it.

Very true! But is it hard to predict what people will do with their spare time. And there will probably be bonuses going out to innovative people who can do what robots still cannot do.

Travelling will probably go through the roof. But it is hard to say if people will still waste hundred of hours playing computer games, or if sports, fitness and gym will be the new deal. You see a lot of rich people these days. Even computer geeks spending 10+ hours at the gym every week. 15 years ago that was an oxymoron.

[Polyamorist]

Well, only in today's societal context is this true. Change certain basic criteria, and you can have a paradigm change. It won't be exactly like in an FKK, but the world outside of the sandbox can move towards it. Future technology can be the cause of such paradigm changes.

When the robots take all the jobs, a lot more of us guys will have nothing to do except spend our time in FKKs and similar environments. And women will have no jobs either, except FKK jobs. So much for the diehard monogamists. There will be a lot more drugs too.

Some will hate the laziness of it all. But it's better than people just hanging out on the streets starting fights.

Oh brave new world! Better get used to it.

[Neurosynth]

Wallah Pistons, the problem with game theory is that it assumes human beings make rational choices. So it is not very good at predicting the behavior of 40-year old guys much less 20-year old girls.

Game theory is not in the business of predicting human behavior per se. It is merely the (mathematical) analysis of competitive situations in principle, and typically the derivation of optimal strategies.

But it turns out that even animals other than humans will often behave in ways that game theory would judge as being optimal or highly optimized. The fact that animals without man's overgrown prefrontal cortex will, nevertheless, tend towards optimal behavior implies that behavior is innate rather than learned or deduced. I. e. It may have little to do with "rationality" and much more to do with a response to evolutionary pressure.

[Pistons]

Still the most troubling accusation of all, a purely constructed scenario that has yet to be explained. I know we can live out fantasies in FKKs but they are usually about sexual activities with women. Accusing other men of things to explain rejection is very revealing of personal character. I would feel bad if rejected by a WG, but my first thought would be "what am I doing to cause the person to feel this way about me," not blaming it on others.

When everyone thinks like you, upselling reaches new levels. Because one would rather pay 200 euro for a 3-some instead of holding ones ground. Still calling another guy an idiot is silly, and a negative impulse. That was the point I made. Nothing more, even if you try to derail it.

When it comes to the dog argument, that person just finnished a room and hormones were all dead. While other people hearing his side side of the story just shook their heads in disbelief. But possessiveness is when someone cannot stand another person talking to a girl he considers to have ownership over, when being at a distance. Which is quite the mad idea in an FKK. Quite a big reason for many girls ending relationships with men nowadays is possessive traits like the guy freaking out if his girl talks to other men, according to a female friend of mine who works at a psychology firm.

Polygamy may be a cult, as that is one man having several wives. But a many to many (think like a database) polygamous structured society may not have to be one. I thought we were over this semantics discussion though.

As there are no such things as rituals, ceremonies, hierarchies nor holy / legal books (the defining characteristics of a cult) describing full out polyagous orgies. Only ones lassiez faire natural sexual ways. So I find it hard to agree with your cult description on what I have talked about here.

You do have a good point regarding culture having cult as a root word though. Every culture is cultist. And maybe that is why the world leaders (the people behind the politicians who actually have brains) are trying to fend off cultures, and melt them all together in a quasi multicultural environment. Because of all the hatred and 'racism' we see when cultures clash. The clash of separate warring destructive cults.

But ofcourse, unless people try to look outside the box, conflics will go on, and in 100 years or so, some lunatic crazed brainwashed cultural cultist will blow up a nuke where our families live.

[Takedown]

I hope you can take it as something to improve on instead of as an insult, is to be less possessive over the girls you like in an FKK. Be it either Carla (Oase) telling her other customers are idiots and then she avoids him right after.

Still the most troubling accusation of all, a purely constructed scenario that has yet to be explained. I know we can live out fantasies in FKKs but they are usually about sexual activities with women. Accusing other men of things to explain rejection is very revealing of personal character. I would feel bad if rejected by a WG, but my first thought would be "what am I doing to cause the person to feel this way about me," not blaming it on others.

[Takedown]

I will just make a short summary instead:

2: Even if money was the main contributor, then name calling is always a negative impulse that doesn't help. The only intervention was the pushing. Everything else was at the highest manners and shouldn't be any problem at all if one knows how to talk to people. But maybe you are right that we need to learn social skills in FKK's. What others mean is irrelevant when it is word against word.

About the bonus question: The only cult we have here is the monogamous cult. I once read a book called 'Combating Cult Mind Control' by Steven Hassan. He points to 4 distinctions regarding what a cult is..

When a person's blood rushes so much to his pecker away from his head, his sense of hearing often shuts off. Without blood, he cannot hear another person's request to back off. Like a dog that doesn't listen, sometimes you have to get that dog back in line by means that lets him know that you're serious.

It's funny that you say that opinions of others do not matter. That's exactly how court arbitration works. Word against word, and a third party determines whose version is more plausible. Apparently it was was made clear but not to your liking so the only option left is to vent frustrations on ISG.

Try as you might, when it's practiced by the majority of non-nutjobs, it's called culture not a cult. I know, same root words. I can see why that can be confusing.

To summarize, Monogamy is our culture. Polygamy is a cult.

[Pistons]

True, nowadays we yearn for new fairytales, told by modern priest-like figures!

Here I am advocating determinism, and you keep talking about priests and gods. I think you have missed a few points, so a direct reply to you is useless.

But if you look at sales theory, and all these impulses we submit and receive, then that doesn't have to relate to clairsentience. It can all be subconscious. The same goes for the link between empathy, game theory and determinism.

Takedown: I wrote 2 long replies to that last comment you made there, but seems they won't allow it. I will just make a quick reply on the last bonus question you did: There is a book called "Combating Cult Mind Control" by Steven Hassan. And according to that one we can easily define monogamy as a 100% complete destructive cult. Polygamous orgies all the time societies without a hierarchy however is pretty much the opposite of a cult.

[Pistons]

I will just make a short summary instead:

2: Even if money was the main contributor, then name calling is always a negative impulse that doesn't help. The only intervention was the pushing. Everything else was at the highest manners and shouldn't be any problem at all if one knows how to talk to people. But maybe you are right that we need to learn social skills in FKK's. What others mean is irrelevant when it is word against word.

About the bonus question: The only cult we have here is the monogamous cult. I once read a book called 'Combating Cult Mind Control' by Steven Hassan. He points to 4 distinctions regarding what a cult is.

One is hierarchical leaders. A fully polygamous society with orgies everywhere should not have leaders. But a monogamous society always has. Plus monogamous societies have a monetary structured society also. Very hierarchical.

The second one is books where rules are displayed. Monogamy has this today through laws and where people bind themselves through written marriage pacts. Nothing of this sort in a complete polygamous society full of orgies all the time.

The third one is ceremonies: Lets just say monogamous people have weddings. And some also celebrate anniversaries when it comes to monogamy.

The fourth one is rituals: You put on engagement rings and marriage rings. Nothing of the sort in a polygamous orgie based model.

Result: Monogamy is a total 100% destructive cult according to Steven Hassan's book. It brainwashes people, and must be thus be combated to avoid extremism, wars and all sorts of bad things.

[Nick The G]

Nope, but some old people should lay off the coffee, and stop listening to old fairy tales of Gods and such.

True, nowadays we yearn for new fairytales, told by modern priest-like figures!

[Nick The G]

Talking about psychic abilities and interactions is not easy. I would rate clairsentience as a highly developed level of empathy.

But here we are talking about a context, where sex is instrumentalized / commercialized and the will or need to spend / earn money is the dominating force. So I assume we are talking about lower levels of empathy.

And there is another thing, not uncommon in the context of prostitution. For example, if men or women suffer from borderline personality disorder, it is a well known phenomenon that they can have a radar-like sensitivity of what the other needs / wants. But this type of "getting into the head of another" is not what we normally understand as "empathy".

[Pistons]

Wow! What a relief! So what you tell us is: the pure existence of game theory itself is the first scientifically valid proof for the existence of God? Congratulations!

Nope, but some old people should lay off the coffee, and stop listening to old fairy tales of Gods and such.

[Nick The G]

You don't need to talk about game theory for it to have existed since the beginning of life itself.

Wow! What a relief! So what you tell us is: the pure existence of game theory itself is the first scientifically valid proof for the existence of God? Congratulations!

[Pistons]

Wallah Pistons, the problem with game theory is that it assumes human beings make rational choices. So it is not very good at predicting the behavior of 40-year old guys much less 20-year old girls.

True, it is not perfect. Especially when the big heads ideas conflict with the smaller ones. LOL. Or the two voices in the head of the little girl speaks. One angel and one demon. But I think there is more to the subconscious mind than most people think. But then we might have to start discussing what is free will. Does free will exist? We don't have any proof. But we know person A always takes a choice. And that choice is based on his judgement of previous impulses. Like a butterfly effect.

Edit: what I ment was: we don't know for sure how much of a choice we really have. If any. These are only theories. And far out philosophy, or physics. Determinism contradicts free will, and that is the only thing we can find out through a study.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/does-free-will-exist-in-the-universe-that-would-be-a-no

(Takedown: maybe I subconsciously had a determined idea of testing your possessive trait there by moving up on a grey zone. And the test came out valid through an overreaction)

[Takedown]

So if a WG pretends to be in love with her client, so that she can over the course of months put him into heavy financial debt--is she a sociopath? Not necessarily. Such WGs have the capacity to feel and share the pain of people in their personal lives, but with their lovesick clients, this conscience may not be present.

Not 100% sure if you are saying these WGs don't have true empathy; but if so, I want to interject that empathy and conscience are not inclusive. One can have true empathy but still betray one's own conscience. Empathy merely means you can feel what the other person is feeling, but does not imply that you feel a moral obligation to them.

[Takedown]

Takedown,

1. Terrible session never means a session is wasted. It just wasn't worth a repeat. Maybe if someone doesn't get his blood flowing or is impotent, then a terrible session can mean it is wasted.

2. Excuses for possessive attitude leads nowhere no matter the reasoning. True or false, they don't matter. Without me going into my almost completely different observations of your descriptions. Word against word.

3. Are you chatting with KK? I reread my post and it is quite obvious. The 'nutjob' addition is added as an ironic example of all posters on ISG. It is called irony.

1. Okay, whatever it takes to find peace after a loss. Still a terrible session that could have been avoided if one listens and heeds. It was a terrible sequence of events nonetheless, dropping another 75 on nothing. I have sympathy for you with that loss, although it was self inflicted and could have easily and predictably been avoided. What do I know? You were only warned at every step a mistake was being made. I suppose it is a blow to the ego to admit that.

2. Speaking of excuses, they are often made for oneself when rejected by others, worse when a WG finds you are not worth the time and money. It's even more sad when in order to deflect, one points fingers at anyone but himself. Regarding interjection, even other parties present said intruding was wrong. Blaming others is a poor substitute for self awareness.

3. Yes we spoke. In fact another party brought it to his attention. That makes at least 3 parties who read something other than what you claim you intended.

Bonus: Again, who deemed FKKs bastions of sharing pussy and not just another form of German brothel. Fake news for cultist nutjobs.