German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Nick The G]

I am not sure I agree if you are implying that we do not find real women and relationships in brothels. They may be within different parameters to one's outside brothels, but each woman we meet there is a real person and there is human interaction. Provided of course there is some leakage between the boxes

The more true we are to ourselves, and the less fragmented our self-organization is, the more true encounters or relationships we will find. Independent of environment.

If we are tied to permanent greed for money or addicted to consumption of sex, we are in the box.

A brothel is a "box" by itself. It attracts only certain kind of people. Sort of a laboratory for a karmic development path. Maybe for those who want / need to sacrifice their "holy" illusions in a longterm process.

[Nick The G]

What do we want to become?

Sooner or later, a super rich billionaire (someone less philanthropic and more narrow minded than Bill Gates) would perhaps use crispr and gene sequencing to create an extra long and large endowment for himself, something that will work for several dozens of decades w / o additional chemical molecules, and purchase a couple of FKKs in each major city for himself and indulge in every sexual whim of his, not once or twice, but for decades on. Of course as the member of the super rich race, he will have access to the extremely expensive new biotech products to elongate his life span, in addition to enlarging his organs.

Isn't that the fantasy of every monger here?

What about the "hero with a thousand penises"?

https://www.amazon.de/Thousand-Faces.../dp/1577315936

Yes, I want at least two extra long penises. So I can have much more fun within given time. Or just to imagine: I can relax at the bar while fucking girls somewhere in the club. LOL!

[Optimist]

So often here, people talk about finding a real woman or real feelings, of course in brothels. It is a bit like going to a zoo to see real wild animals.

They never talk about why mongers (real men?) find themselves constantly in brothels again.

I feel so sorry for this two-box woman. The fragmentation of the human psyche to create boxed parts is one of the main goals actively pursued by neoliberalism.

Nice thoughts. These issues are too complex to be effectively discussed in a forum, but you have a decent attempt at a succinct summary here.

The point of the "box" analogy is neat, and can be applied to all capitalist and state socialist societies not just neo-liberalism (which does however make a fetish of it unlike the social democratic model which is more nuanced). In essence the "box" is the heart of the Karl Marx sociology of alienation.

As for why men go to brothels you are right, a little bit of introspection does not go amiss. It is not just about the fucking, but about illusions, remedies for problems, societal pressures, and emotional and mental needs.

I am not sure I agree if you are implying that we do not find real women and relationships in brothels. They may be within different parameters to one's outside brothels, but each woman we meet there is a real person and there is human interaction. Provided of course there is some leakage between the boxes

[Pistons]

What do we want to become?

Sooner or later, a super rich billionaire (someone less philanthropic and more narrow minded than Bill Gates) would perhaps use crispr and gene sequencing to create an extra long and large endowment for himself, something that will work for several dozens of decades w / o additional chemical molecules, and purchase a couple of FKKs in each major city for himself and indulge in every sexual whim of his, not once or twice, but for decades on. Of course as the member of the super rich race, he will have access to the extremely expensive new biotech products to elongate his life span, in addition to enlarging his organs.

Isn't that the fantasy of every monger here?

Only if one has a small one. I would rather increase the number of sensors on the willy. Stretch the head further back, and get a stronger frenulum. I would only increase the length if something is also done to the female's organs.

Lets hope we get there sooner than later. But I think we might see a drastic reduction of the total world population in total numbers before then. And that might take so long before we get there that perhaps none of us here will get the benefits. Maybe an AI singularity event is our only hope of seeing it for ourselves.

[CaneUppHosAss]

What do we want to become?

Sooner or later, a super rich billionaire (someone less philanthropic and more narrow minded than Bill Gates) would perhaps use crispr and gene sequencing to create an extra long and large endowment for himself, something that will work for several dozens of decades w / o additional chemical molecules, and purchase a couple of FKKs in each major city for himself and indulge in every sexual whim of his, not once or twice, but for decades on. Of course as the member of the super rich race, he will have access to the extremely expensive new biotech products to elongate his life span, in addition to enlarging his organs.

Isn't that the fantasy of every monger here?

[Polyamorist]

Salaam Old Nick and barak-Alabama!

I feel so sorry for this two-box woman.

I would bang her in both boxes and see if that helps.

The fragmentation of the human psyche to create boxed parts is one of the main goals actively pursued by neoliberalism.

Would you care to expand on that or provide a link?

[Pistons]

Yeah, its a good summary Phallus. But there are agents behind the numbers who are smarter than most people think. Conspiracy theory of course, but if you and me can figure this out, there surely must be smarter people who also can see it won't last forever. A superior economic model for example would be a purely block chain based model where money is taxed instead of labor. With basic income payouts. But then there would be far less hierarchy in the world, and far less options to stray socio cultural agenda's around the world. Because at the end of the day, economics is nothing more than a social science. The math is fictitious, and it doesn't add up the way it works now. And has never worked with interest and inflation. With a perfect system based on digital blockchains, national cults would live on, Nazism / racism would continue and wars could potentially break out. As technology improves, that is a risk we cannot take. So borders needs to go. And as we have no idea where it leads us, playing with fire before the house is shielded is a bad idea. The problem is just that it seems like population is going to plummet before anything is done, and it will all continue to be as interventionist as it has been for years to come. And meanwhile the population is plummeting to 'controllable levels', there can be a lot of chaos, and leaders are never without fault. Especially when entering new territory. Machiavellianism lives on for now. , and the main reason is continued population growth. Currently mainly in sub Saharan Africa, while the rest of the world seems to be on track.

[Sirioja]

I need some independent escorts sites from Dusseldorf or Koln. Is there any site for all Germany or are more? I never was to apartments just in FKK and I want to know more about this. Can anybody help me?

Kaufmich for escorts. I remember some girls who worked both at GT and on Kaufmich.

On beginning of December 2017, I was informed, after I was paid a room at GT, so I discovered a escort in a club, repeated on next week end at YY, then in hotel, then in apartment, but still for club rate, usually 300 for 3 sex hours, but staying about 5 hours, many times she cancelled appointments after, my best ever sexual potential, fitness stamina.

[Pistons]

Opposite ends of the spectrum!

Many salesmen want to make profits, and often with the goal of building a sustainable relationship with their clients. For instance, some money managers may push certain products to get higher commissions. In doing so, they are looking out for their own interests, but they also have the goal of ensuring their clients get decent investment returns. Their goal is to not drain their client financially, potentially down to their last cent or sell bogus, fraudulent products and services, so these men are not psychopaths.

Then you have salesman like Bernie Madoff that abuse trust and commit fraud. He was running Ponzi schemes and taking people's life savings. This requires callousness and we can consider people like him a true psychopath. In brothels, you do not have to look hard to find lonely, vulnerable men. WGs may realize that their client is spending beyond his means because he is lovesick. End result is potentially no different than the demise of some of Madoff's clients. Financial pain. Emotional pain. And sometimes even suicide.

True, but in most situations, as a seller you consider most of the things you sell to be ridiculously overpriced. Insurances for example. Then again, arguing for its benefits is pretty straight forward.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Such a thing exists. The Big Mac Index. Exists that gives a common price for various countries said to reflect economic efficiency. Maybe the mongers here should create a standardized WG profile (say 7-9/10 looks, DFK, BBJCIM) and post data to enable a market place. Maybe even create a swaps market like the price of Brent crude oil. Just saying.

[Steve 9696]

Perhaps it's because I feel like "reality bites" (too rarely is it happily ever after), and so I would rather deal with women through "escapist fantasy" versus acknowledging, accepting, and coping with how it all really and truly is in "real" life. It's just easier and more satisfying to me. Anybody else care to opine?

Despite some men being pigs as the saying goes, I think many men are after more than sex. We want to recapture those butterflies of when you are first head over heels for some girl. And so things like DFK which is the entry into that world are at a premium. I know I would pay cash dollars to just slow dance and DFK a girl who is really into kissing. Girls like Thifany (Fazendinha) or Rika (exTHC) or Honey (THC) or Bella (Indy) or Kate (Globe). It feels like a real connection that is indescribable. Yes, if choosing sex or that, I would choose the DFK slow dance — sap that I am. (Fortunately I never had to choose!

When I totally lucked out and had Thifany as my girlfriend for a week, it was total emotional connection and butterflies. Having a 23 year old on your arm and on the dance floor is intoxicating. Leaving her was heartbreaking but totally worth the ride. As a realist I know real life would never be like that week. I know she will get lazy or needy or both and sure enough we have drifted apart. This is really for the best as it can never be the same.

So we keep it all temporary and try to string together a set of butterflies. I surely hope I can find another. In the meantime quality in-room time will have to do.

P.S. If you want more on the whole Thifany story it is too long to post — just I'm me.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Pistons. As at 2019 just about everyone has a productivity glut and play exchange rate games to sell more crap. Now we have a trade war and another war of 5 G standards and who controls the internet toll gate. Meanwhile, all the benefits have trickled up, and rich people do not spend much of their income (unlike most people who spend nearly all of it). This is like a giant blood clot and not enough income flowing around, and thus less money by normal people to buy crap. The Trump Godzilla tax break is going into stock buybacks and making CEO's rich. However you look at it, money flows up and gets clotted. They do not hire people or invest in are&the. The pie may be bigger, but shared between fewer. This is the basic problem for weak demand = lack of widely distributed decent income.

Oh, and massive asset inflation as a disguised bail out. The pension funds and insurers need at least 7% to pay long term liabilities. That is also a Ponzi scheme. Insurers are quite sick after a decade of silly low rates and chasing high risk stuff to make up lost ground. So, there is a hell of a lot of money sloshing about in speculation and assets, and cracks are everywhere. The central banks keep papering over it. There are even explicitly NEGATIVE interest rates in parts of Europe, and yet they are still pushing on string. We should have reset the balance sheets in 2009 and figured how to get spendable income to ordinary people. But, greed won, and here we are. Something will trigger it. The Italian and Spanish banks have psychiatric accounting just as Cyprus banks collapsed (and some pissed of Russians). Maybe that. Or steadily more bonds failing. As for China, well we have Alice in Wonderland accounts, but it too has serious problems and surplus production, shrinking income for ordinary people, and ageing population. The miracle is much less so behind the managed stage and massaged figures. The Euro and the EU is a mess of radically different fiscal responsibility entities and economies that is a house of cards.

The USD is the least worst currency. Japan, I think, is good long term as its population drops to a level aligned with the need for a lot less people. Jeremy Rivkin wrote in 1995 "In virtually every major manufacturing activity, human labour is being steadily replaced by machines. Today, millions of working men and women around the world find themselves trapped between economic eras and increasingly marginalised by the introduction of new laboursaving technology. By the mid-decades of the coming century, the blue collar worker will have passed from history, a casualty of the relentless March toward ever greater technological efficiency. " Update that after 25 years to include travel agents, lawyers, accountants vast tracts of retail people, and so on, including radiologists. Gene therapy will put many surgeons out of work, pharmacists and maybe even big pharma as tailored medicine becomes in vogue. The good new is that we can create treatment for anti-biotic resistant microbes and maybe even lovely skin. AI, when it happens, will create a shattering paradigm shift. It might be the best store of value is stock in Google and Amazon or Baidu.

More scary still is that we may be the last natural humans. Genetic manipulation on humans is well and truly happening behind the scenes because it is irresistible. The genie is out of the bottle, and very wealthy may indeed be able to create an objective super race just as we knocked off the Neanderthals. The even more scary question becomes "what do we want to become" ?

Despite this, ripe, youthful pussy in its prime is ours right here, right now. New stuff on the market all the time. Girls born in 2000 to 2002 are coming on line for our lustful desires. Who said millennial were useless?

With FKK priced in Euros (that I think has more downside risk than upside) - yahoo, here I come).

[Takedown]

Psychologists believe there are two types of empathy: cognitive and affective.

So a WG can have cognitive empathy. They are good at reading the lovesick monger's emotions but they may not really care about his emotions. This high emotional intelligence that they possess can be used to manipulate or what Wikipedia refers to as "tactical or strategic empathy", which is the deliberate use of perspective-taking to achieve certain desired ends.
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Human beings are able to display empathy on a situational basis:

To be reminded of this, we can look back to the slavery era. Were all white plantation owners in the Americas and Caribbean sociopaths? I suspect they were able to feel true empathy for their own family members and other members of the white race, but not their black slaves, who were beaten, brutalized, and exploited. If a black mother was separated from her children, surely they were able to recognize and see the pain in her face (cognitive empathy), but they did not share her personal distress. They did not consider her human. So with people in her personal life, a WG may have both cognitive and affective empathy, but with her clients, she may only have cognitive empathy.

Fair distinction. We can differentiate the types of empathy by categorizing them or is it more accurate to place them on a threshold gradient? I have empathy for my dog when he is bored at home wanting to go for a walk. I truly feel bad that he is not outside running and playing. Much like my desire to stretch my social legs when I want human interaction, I empathize with his boredom. Now does that empathy cross an intolerable threshold where I can overcome my personal desires to be lazy at home? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Did I feel empathy and even feel that I was a bad master every time I ignored his whines to go for a walk? Yes, but often it did not cross the threshold required for me to do something about it.

An even darker scenario is the mother of a crying baby. Sometimes the mom is so tired that she cannot garner the energy to console a crying child. My friend would even purposely go to the patio to escape the kid's cries. Did she have empathy and actually felt pain for her child? I know for a fact she did. But in that tired state, that empathy could not overcome her need for respite care of her own sanity.

This threshold theory is supported by the scenario you painted before where a WG finally cuts ties with a monger once her reasoning no longer "assuages her guilt."

[McAdonis]

As a response to McAdonis: Every seller has to sometimes battle with the ideas you project there. The ethical side of juggling empathy with the buyer as well as your own need to make an income. But this is like Takedown rightly points out, also a key reason to why the experienced seller is so good at empathy. But as soon as he gives in too much, and stops making excuses for why he takes the buyers money, he or she wants to quit. The grey lies have gone too far. A psychopath? Maybe. Sales psychology mentions this a lot, and this is why good sales companies usually have a psychologist to help them deal with this problem.

Opposite ends of the spectrum!

Many salesmen want to make profits, and often with the goal of building a sustainable relationship with their clients. For instance, some money managers may push certain products to get higher commissions. In doing so, they are looking out for their own interests, but they also have the goal of ensuring their clients get decent investment returns. Their goal is to not drain their client financially, potentially down to their last cent or sell bogus, fraudulent products and services, so these men are not psychopaths.

Then you have salesman like Bernie Madoff that abuse trust and commit fraud. He was running Ponzi schemes and taking people's life savings. This requires callousness and we can consider people like him a true psychopath. In brothels, you do not have to look hard to find lonely, vulnerable men. WGs may realize that their client is spending beyond his means because he is lovesick. End result is potentially no different than the demise of some of Madoff's clients. Financial pain. Emotional pain. And sometimes even suicide.

[Mr Ho]

Perhaps it's because I feel like "reality bites" (too rarely is it happily ever after), and so I would rather deal with women through "escapist fantasy" versus acknowledging, accepting, and coping with how it all really and truly is in "real" life. It's just easier and more satisfying to me. Anybody else care to opine?

I only like girls when they are beautiful, so traditional way of mating called marriage or relationship cannot work in long term, it only work in short term, so mongering naturally works better to serve my interest and preference avoiding not necessary costs, time, nerve and problems. The whole thing changed for me when prostitution industry began supplying top level looking girls with such a easy access here, Germany, Switzerland etc.

Rationally speaking, it is not normal to fuck old or middle age ugly women just because you tend to like or love her as a person, I mean I can like some women very much as a person, I just do not have to kiss, fuck or live with her. They are just friends I tend to like or respect very much and no sex is needed between friends.

I fuck many young beautiful girls doing all sort of things and I do socializing with friends. For me, it make sense the most and it is happy ever after.