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What is the term BBFS?

Did they ban you on Google and Urban Dictionary?

Bare Back Full Service. Vaginal sex without protection. IMHO that's okay in monogamous relationship, but not while mongering, as I consider all of those girls also as human beings, not a disposable material.

[Michi T]

I searched but couldn't find reports on this topic. Has anyone had success in getting BBFS? Maybe not the first time but what about on a repeat session. I don't speak Russian, and I'd be using the agencies. BBFS isn't a must, but something I prefer.

Check my reports for very detailed reports for other locations like Colombia (Bogota and Medellin), Phnom Penh, Angeles City, Shanghai.

What is the term BBFS?

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I searched but couldn't find reports on this topic. Has anyone had success in getting BBFS? Maybe not the first time but what about on a repeat session. I don't speak Russian, and I'd be using the agencies. BBFS isn't a must, but something I prefer...

Assuming you have no plans to marry (or make your exclusive GF) the girl that would be stupid enough to agree, I have the following thoughts.

There was an aspiring woman, that upon our third or fourth encounter started suggesting BBFS. First just a hint, and then in a more and more persistent manner. Kicked her out, and never ever saw her again. For two reasons:

1. Please read prior discussions. Girls need money. Getting the guy on the hook with a baby sometime helps. Some men do a surgery to prevent this from happening.

2. There are easier ways of getting killed. And please do not educate us on how rare and improbable it is to contract HIV, and many other STDs. Chances are actually higher downstream, but I suppose you do not care about girls, or have yet another explanation.

If you ever find such an agency, please PM or post, so that most of us can avoid it like the plague.

[TinyHippo]

That is precisely what I did in September-October of 2018!

Granted I spent more time with some of the girls and sometimes paid less, sometimes more per each companionship, but it is absolutely in the ballpark, including the final headcount. As a result it helped me to reinforce significantly my harem of regulars that were very accommodating during my next visit in November-December 2018.

The challenge though, Antony is not as promiscuous, and doesn't need variety. Forgive me for speaking on his behalf. He wants a true GF. Except he looks for her in the wrong place. But that Pygmalion archetype has been represented in the Art many times.

Antony's problem is that he thinks money will get him a girlfriend. That is never the case and he should focus on improving his status (looks, appearance, confidence). I definitely need to do the same, but I am smart enough to never to try to date a girl that I am paying to have sex with. Best bet for him is to spend some money to bang some hot semi-pros to improve his confidence until he finds a real girl.

Experience helps in future relationships. I somehow met a 8+/10 on Tinder and we hit it off a couple years ago. She was 22 yo, 176 cm, artistic and with long brunette hair. Pretty much exactly what I dream about, but I could not handle being obsessed and jealous about her. She wanted to move really slow in the relationship (which most hot girls do) and it drove me crazy which ruined the relationship. While the situation really sucked at the time, the experience has helped me a lot more in the future. Just as we always comment girls can smell money. They can smell confidence and status too.

[TinyHippo]

Hmmm. Are the two answers good? First typically is a lie. I met some guys from the forum who also claimed they do "not need" to work. But I suddenly realized they are lying. They bought cheap food, were wearing cheap clothes, behaved overall cheap. Not a good basis for a relationship. Then the second answer? Not sure what to think about that. But hey, each his own, I don't want to judge.

Exactly. Even if you have 10 million USD in the bank, you are still going to work or you are just wasting your life away. Saying you do not need to work just means you are lying, lazy, or 75 years old. Just imagine if you met a girl and she said she had no hobbies and did not listen to music, read books, or watch TV. You would be like. Wtf are you doing with your life?

[Guntherus]

Tell them you are on a pension. Never share insight to your resources.

Pension? It reveals insight to my resources.

[Guntherus]

Hmmm. Are the two answers good? First typically is a lie. I met some guys from the forum who also claimed they do "not need" to work. But I suddenly realized they are lying. They bought cheap food, were wearing cheap clothes, behaved overall cheap. Not a good basis for a relationship. Then the second answer? Not sure what to think about that. But hey, each his own, I don't want to judge.

Firstly, I accept that we are lying to the girls all the time. Have a tight story. Is the first piece of advice when meeting EE girls. Typically, it means, have a gullible explanation why you are in Kiev, not including you are only looking for as many hookups as possible. Saying that you have no job (because you don't need to) does not mean that you don't have in real life. But in my experience, it's an easy answer because girls will not ask you out so much, as if you say f. Ex. That you work for an international company, real estate, banks, embassy etc. I have a good job, I can travel a lot and have flexible schedules. But I go to Kiev for other reasons.
My other answer, I don't use it anymore, only wanted to mention it. Feel free to use.
PS. The best cynical answer I’ve heard, is to say you work in meat. But it’s difficult as a topic of discussion!

[Tasss]

I searched but couldn't find reports on this topic. Has anyone had success in getting BBFS? Maybe not the first time but what about on a repeat session. I don't speak Russian, and I'd be using the agencies. BBFS isn't a must, but something I prefer.

Check my reports for very detailed reports for other locations like Colombia (Bogota and Medellin), Phnom Penh, Angeles City, Shanghai.

[Michi T]

When they ask me what my occupation is, I say that I don't need to work. They become either very silent, or they say, that's cool. I used to say, that I work for the mafias, with a smirk. But it was too risky, I thought.

Hmmm. Are the two answers good? First typically is a lie. I met some guys from the forum who also claimed they do "not need" to work. But I suddenly realized they are lying. They bought cheap food, were wearing cheap clothes, behaved overall cheap. Not a good basis for a relationship. Then the second answer? Not sure what to think about that. But hey, each his own, I don't want to judge.

[Riina]

When they ask me what my occupation is, I say that I don't need to work. They become either very silent, or they say, that's cool. I used to say, that I work for the mafias, with a smirk. But it was too risky, I thought.

Tell them you are on a pension. Never share insight to your resources.

[Guntherus]

And about money, yes I do say "I have no money". I even told them that that I didn't have work for almost one year.

When they ask me what my occupation is, I say that I don't need to work. They become either very silent, or they say, that's cool. I used to say, that I work for the mafias, with a smirk. But it was too risky, I thought.

[Michi T]

I am mistaken then. No substitute for meeting in person. Let me know if you'll be in Kiev in May-June, and willing to meet. We can exchange information and few stories. I understand though that most of the mongers do not visit to meet each other. We are in Ukraine to appreciate the beauty of its females.

Too bad "Mandarin" is closed for so many years now. Was my favorite place to meet with friends in the presence of young semi-naked ladies. Food was also good there. Rio gets too crowded and Scarlette seems boring.

Loool, I am a poor man, I cannot afford Rio)).

Send me PM to arrange for meeting, I may have time in June for a weekend.

[PhotoSlider]

I agree, except for the bit about sexy outfits. That is the beauty of Kiev, for the novices, it is impossible to tell the hookers from the non-pros (or semi-pros).

Oh yeah!

Here is another lengthy story: My GF was having a dinner at Avalon, while I finished with a 1 m 76 tall 18 years old blonde call girl Nicole at our apartment behind the corner. We ordered a taxi, and went outside, it was cold, the wait was still another 15 minutes, I suggested to go upstairs for a tea at Avalon. In the elevator I explained that my GF will meet us, and it will be absolutely no problem. Nicole was understandably nervous, but after some hesitation agreed. GF smiled, and ordered another cup of tea, spoke to Nicole a little, and then taxi has arrived.

After Nicole has left GF tried to belittle the competition:

- Why these young girls always dress so that it is obvious a mile away that they are hookers?

I looked and decided not to argue, because the difference in respective styles was only the price of each others outfits. Otherwise this reminded me an old blind date joke:

- How would I recognize you?

- Well. You will see a young woman, and you will pray the Lord that it shouldn't be me.

- And. ?

- It will be!

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...For 5000 USD (why is he negotiating in foreign currencies! Which is the equivalent of 134,000 UAH, I could get 67 girls. Surely among the 67 there would a little of everything (short and tall, slim and curvy, teens and milfs, enthusiastic performers and apathetic pros, and everything in between. Variety is the spice of life, and among them a couple of dozen worth repeating and worth joining your regular" list.

That is precisely what I did in September-October of 2018!

Granted I spent more time with some of the girls and sometimes paid less, sometimes more per each companionship, but it is absolutely in the ballpark, including the final headcount. As a result it helped me to reinforce significantly my harem of regulars that were very accommodating during my next visit in November-December 2018.

The challenge though, Antony is not as promiscuous, and doesn't need variety. Forgive me for speaking on his behalf. He wants a true GF. Except he looks for her in the wrong place. But that Pygmalion archetype has been represented in the Art many times.

[PhotoSlider]

For how much you are paying her, she should be obligated to find you a substitute, a professional substitute, at her own expense, whenever you happen to be in the mood for some action. She would pay her friends 100 to 200 to do it with you, and she would still make more money than if she had a job.

What a great business proposal!

This begs the question: how much would one need to pay a female friend per day for bringing her college mates to perform casting? Would 1000 UAH be enough? 500 UAH?