Kyiv

[Gargano19]

Antony's problem is that he thinks money will get him a girlfriend. That is never the case and he should focus on improving his status (looks, appearance, confidence). I definitely need to do the same, but I am smart enough to never to try to date a girl that I am paying to have sex with. Best bet for him is to spend some money to bang some hot semi-pros to improve his confidence until he finds a real girl.

Though I don't live in Kiev, but I'm keeping an eye on this forum, because I'll coming here because of some work in couple of months.

And the 50 pages or so, most of discussions are regarding Anthony and his girl, who he pays USD 5 K, who won't have sex with him. Honestly, I loved the fact that only one topic is discussed so much in detail, which is not true for any other thread (the ones I've seen). And I like it honestly.

I also saw some FRs (though they're in minority) trying to roast Anthony for the fact that he's paying 5 K in Kiev. Honestly, it's his money and maybe he comes from old Chinese money. He can spend the way he likes. So, making fun of someone's ways and prefs is little crapy, specially in this forum of all places.

So, now I've paid my dues by talking about Anthony (I'm kidding bro, no offence), I would like to know how Kiev for expats (not tourists). I've lived in few European cities and most are quite welcoming in terms of laws and culture but not sure about Kiev considering all the economic and political instability I've heard of.

[DramaFree11]

Hey guys, if Kiev is 5, where in the world can we find 9-10?

Kiev 5/6's best case scenario, there are exceptions, but for Newbies just not that easy.

1. Moscow 7/8's and possibly 9's. 10 are unattainable in my book for normal guys.

2. Germany / Mexico.

3. Europe.

4. Colombia.

5. Asia.

6. Kiev.

7. Brazil.

This is my order for finding hot girls and yes Kiev is at the bottom and Brazil is even worse. Both are both very over rated now.

[Michi T]

Hey guys, if Kiev is 5, where in the world can we find 9-10?

What is a 10?

Are you a 10?

[AntonySun1996]

Just to be clear, you are an under 25 Asian sugar daddy that gives his sugar baby well over ten times the monthly average Ukrainian wage. I believe it.

I don't see the point of me lying about my age or ethnicity or the amount of cash I pay here on this forum, so please educate me if you have any ideas.

And also congratulations if you have managed to have more fun in Kiev with less amount of cash. You have to understand that people differ in their experiences, lifestyles, etc. In the Kiev mongering scene, and some just want to pay more to their favourite ladies. I personally don't feel paying a 9/10 5000 usd is a waste of money. Of course many would argue that there are no 9's and 10's in Kiev mongering scene, that sort of cliche. And again, "Beauty is in the eyes of beholder", people do have different tastes.

well over ten times the monthly average Ukrainian wage.

Ummmmmm IMHO average wages are not even remotely relevant to the amount of cash people willing to pay for sex, especially in the famous international sex tourist spots like Kiev.

[James 006]

Hey guys, if Kiev is 5, where in the world can we find 9-10?

Forget 7 and even 6 now it is 5. Ukraine is degenerating rapidly. In a dramatic fashion.

I am almost thankful to this troll fishing for attention. The less mongers go to Kiev, the more affordable beautiful pussy for the brave ones of us that do visit and partake.

[Bimbo Boy]

Bareback everything except anal.

Very sweet. She'll do everything for you even cooking, washing dishes and errands.

If you take her out to restaurants and cinemas, and you have a little conversation, then she is in heaven.

She is OK with threesomes and other adventures.

[Stevie69]

What a great business proposal!

This begs the question: how much would one need to pay a female friend per day for bringing her college mates to perform casting? Would 1000 UAH be enough? 500 UAH?

As I said, this girl getting $5000 USD FOR TWO WEEKS, ought to be able to find some of her friends and give them each 1000-2000 UAH whenever this silly guy wants to have sex and she doe snot feel like it. I have had some of my regulars sometimes invite their friends when they were not available, and I was just paying regular prices.

But of course, this girl's plan is to provide as little as possible for the $5000 she received. Why not, if she has found herself the most spineless foreign sex tourist in Kiev. Women are attracted by confidence, and do not respect men who allow themselves to be used as walking wallets. The few times she gives him sex, she is probably disgusted.

[InDonetsk19]

Exactly. But there are plenty of pretty chicks here and they love partying like nothing ever happened. It's just that I need to get on track, but it seems that currently the only place to ask about it is here.

[Riina]

5000 usd a month is my offer.

Just to be clear, you are an under 25 Asian sugar daddy that gives his sugar baby well over ten times the monthly average Ukrainian wage. I believe it.

[Michi T]

Ahaha, ok, that explains a lot. For 5'000 per month, such a Ukrainian girl is with everyone "together". No matter hold old, how look, etc.

[AntonySun1996]

What is a "sugar friendship" for you? Do you send her a monthly sum of money and in return she does not take a boy friend? What amount are we talking about?

5000 usd a month is my offer. I don't stay in Kiev all the time though. Sometimes I stay for two weeks, sometimes three, each month. This time I decide to stay a bit longer, around one month.

I prefer a monogamous relationship. She told me she doesn't have any boyfriend, which is true according to my intel. The reasons why I prefer monogamy are twofolds. First of all, it makes both of us more emotionally devoted to the relationship. Sex is not the only thing I need in Kiev. Second is about safety concerns. Since we do barebacks a lot, monogamy keeps the risk of getting STDs to a low level.

[Michi T]

What is a "sugar friendship" for you? Do you send her a monthly sum of money and in return she does not take a boy friend? What amount are we talking about?

[AntonySun1996]

The challenge though, Antony is not as promiscuous, and doesn't need variety. .

Pretty much an accurate summary of me. I feel handling multiple girls is too energy-demanding, so I prefer one-on-one games.

He wants a true GF. Except he looks for her in the wrong place. But that Pygmalion archetype has been represented in the Art many times.

I wouldn't be that pessimistic. I'm still trying and have already made some progress. It really takes time to get to understand Ukrainian girls' mentality but would be worth doing so. Just going to see how far I can go.

[AntonySun1996]

Antony's problem is that he thinks money will get him a girlfriend. That is never the case and he should focus on improving his status (looks, appearance, confidence). I definitely need to do the same, but I am smart enough to never to try to date a girl that I am paying to have sex with. Best bet for him is to spend some money to bang some hot semi-pros to improve his confidence until he finds a real girl.

Experience helps in future relationships. I somehow met a 8+/10 on Tinder and we hit it off a couple years ago. She was 22 yo, 176 cm, artistic and with long brunette hair. Pretty much exactly what I dream about, but I could not handle being obsessed and jealous about her. She wanted to move really slow in the relationship (which most hot girls do) and it drove me crazy which ruined the relationship. While the situation really sucked at the time, the experience has helped me a lot more in the future. Just as we always comment girls can smell money. They can smell confidence and status too.

What I expect is not necessarily a real girlfriend. A monogamous sugar relationship would work for me. Transforming your sugar GF into a real GF is quite difficult, but I don't mind trying.

Sometimes when I ask my sugar GF if she wants to have a serious relationship with me, she thinks that I just want to fuck her for free, which is not the case. I'm still willing to pay her. I just want to get more emotionally involved in the relationship.

[AntonySun1996]

If anyone lives near metro station and wants to have some drinks together, PM me.