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[The Cane]

I was with a girl doing her doggy and looking down at her ass and saw hemorrhoids. Almost went soft at the sight. She was great in all other respects, is college educated, and has a superior job, She wants to see me again. She will not accept any form of payment, I pay for meals and taxis. I am debating about telling her I saw the protuberances and to get them surgically fixed if we are to meet again because I enjoy a little ass play and my eyes still hurt. She is fun to be with but I just can't get the picture out of my head.

Yeah, for a cornholer like me, there are few things worse than an "ugly butt hole" hahaha! Definitely a turnoff LOL!

[ForkTruck]

I was with a girl doing her doggy and looking down at her ass and saw hemorrhoids. Almost went soft at the sight. She was great in all other respects, is college educated, and has a superior job, She wants to see me again. She will not accept any form of payment, I pay for meals and taxis. I am debating about telling her I saw the protuberances and to get them surgically fixed if we are to meet again because I enjoy a little ass play and my eyes still hurt. She is fun to be with but I just can't get the picture out of my head.

[The Cane]

Corners have been cut somewhere. Mr Cane sir, no point in even mentioning the double 747 collision in the Canary Islands as an example.

You don't know that. You don't have any more facts about it than we do. It's just your surmise. People are saying the same kind of things right now about Allegiance and even Southwest Airlines. So, what does that say about American culture then? And I could mention so many other accidents involving airlines from so called "non-shithole" countries, but you would just find ways to rationalize it all away, mostly based on "those countries" over there are shitholes (and therefore could not possibly successfully run a major airline), while these counties over here why their shit don't stink! Wait a minute, do they even have to take a shit? Oh, and by the way, you did leave out one key fact. The KLM pilot tried to take off before he was fully cleared to do so. Man, that Dutch inattention to safety is a killer!

[Engine Driver]

So true! Ethiopian Airlines is no Lion Air! They are a major international carrier that flies around the world to about 107 destinations, and a member of the Star Alliance. There aren't enough facts in yet about this crash to know what happened, and who or what was at fault. The worst commercial air crash ever involved KLM and a now defunct Pan Am, but nobody all of a sudden started attributing that to cultures that didn't appreciate governance, procedures, and safety (even though there was pilot error all over the place involving both aircraft). Ethiopian Airlines is a major, well-run carrier with an excellent safety record. It's too soon to be attributing blame at this point in the investigation. I just hope nobody tries to cover anything up.

You, BKKGuru and Mogwai have got to stop defending the indefensible. The whole world knows that the Ethiopia is a dirt poor nation that exports a few bags of coffee beans, and that's about it. The GDP is around $2,000 per head and most of the people still live in grim conditions. Things like civility, safety, following rules, being ethical and aspiring for success are ingrained in a country's culture. It takes years of positive reinforcement, strong leadership and national awareness before you can make a dent. When half the country is still fossicking for a few grains of wheat to eat, safety is not hugely important. This lackadaisical attitude then permeates all aspects of life. A country which was a poor, communist backwater a few years ago to now supposedly becoming a leader in aviation is a bit incongruous. Corners have been cut somewhere.

There are three emergencies a pilot needs to know how to deal with instinctively. They are rapid cabin decompression, putting out an engine fire and controlling trim runaway. Regardless of whether the autopilot kicked in or whether there was a software bug, a properly trained pilot should be able to cope with those situations. That's what they're paid to do. You know as well as me, that in developing countries, not everything goes as it should and their standards in everything are indeed lower.

Mr Cane sir, no point in even mentioning the double 747 collision in the Canary Islands as an example. The analogy is not even close. That was a communication fault between the tower, the KLM pilot and the Pan Am pilot, made worse by the deteriorating weather. The tower should have shut the airport as visibility was practically zero. The Pan Am pilot took the wrong taxiway exit and before he was off the runway, in deep fog, the KLM pilot had already reached V1. It had nothing to do with being too stupid to control the trim properly.

Mogwai, my reference to shithole countries came directly from POTUS (LOL). He used the term to describe countries that were, you know, shit.


(Go Trump 2020).

[The Cane]

I would refrain from blaming the Pilots at this stage. Ethiopia does have a stellar safety record. They are in a different league than Indonesia.

So true! Ethiopian Airlines is no Lion Air! They are a major international carrier that flies around the world to about 107 destinations, and a member of the Star Alliance. There aren't enough facts in yet about this crash to know what happened, and who or what was at fault. The worst commercial air crash ever involved KLM and a now defunct Pan Am, but nobody all of a sudden started attributing that to cultures that didn't appreciate governance, procedures, and safety (even though there was pilot error all over the place involving both aircraft). Ethiopian Airlines is a major, well-run carrier with an excellent safety record. It's too soon to be attributing blame at this point in the investigation. I just hope nobody tries to cover anything up.

[Mogwai]

Despite it flying brand new Dreamliners in and out of Europe, it still takes several generations to change a countrys culture and mindset regarding governance, procedures and safety.

I wonder how many generations it will take to change your mindset regarding race and 'shithole countries', as you call them.

[BKKguru]

The two pilots involved in the crash were Ethiopian nationals. Even the left leaning Washington Post has chosen to publish this article. <snip>

The investigation (s) are just getting started. We will have a series of reports published in the next few months.
The first report to watch for is from the Ethiopian Government based on the black box and CVR analysis.

I would refrain from blaming the Pilots at this stage.
Ethiopia does have a stellar safety record. They are in a different league than Indonesia.

I have pasted the latest headlines in this still unfolding story.

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March 23,2019.

NYTimes.com
TOP STORIES

"It was go, go, go. " Boeing workers describe a hectic race to update the 737 to beat a rival, a project now under scrutiny after two crashes.
Saturday, March 23,2019 2:00 PM EST.

The competitive pressure to build the jet which permeated the entire design and development now threatens the reputation and profits of Boeing, after two deadly crashes of the 737 Max in less than five months.

Prosecutors and regulators are investigating whether the effort to design, produce and certify the Max was rushed, leading Boeing to miss crucial safety risks and to underplay the need for pilot training.
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[Engine Driver]

Next time you're flying Ethiopian take note of your pilot's complexion. If you happen to miss a visual, you'll hear over the speaker his fine impersonation of an Australian accent.

The two pilots involved in the crash were Ethiopian nationals. Even the left leaning Washington Post has chosen to publish this article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.28f282bfd11e

When I was in high school, Ethiopia was the poorest country on earth, thanks to the socialist policies of Mengistu Mariam. In physics class, we even had a joke. What’s the definition of speed? An Ethiopian with a MacDonalds voucher. Despite it flying brand new Dreamliners in and out of Europe, it still takes several generations to change a country’s culture and mindset regarding governance, procedures and safety.

[Golfinho]

The stabilizer trim runaway issue is something that all pilots should be able to cope with if they've been properly trained. No point in blaming Boeing. No western or Chinese pilot had a problem with the 737 Max.

Next time you're flying Ethiopian take note of your pilot's complexion. If you happen to miss a visual, you'll hear over the speaker his fine impersonation of an Australian accent.

[WestCoast1]

52.2 recently, the pesos-USD exchange in Manila. Found also 52.6 later.

[Engine Driver]

Ethiopian airlines is a well respected airline that has a history of high standards in maintenance and purchasing modern quality aircraft. They fly extensively into Europe where regulators are very strict on the standards airlines maintain. Boeing installed a shoddy system with minimal information and training. The aircraft have been sold extensively around the world so don't know what your point is about supposedly shithole countries.

Unless you've been living in a cave, you would agree that shithole countries have lower standards of training and certification. You can also use family connections and money to get a set of shiny aviator wings to fasten to your lapel. You can fake your log book hours. The 737 Max was particularly appealing as those shithole countries didn't need to spend more money on additional training. The bean counters would have been pleased.

The stabilizer trim runaway issue is something that all pilots should be able to cope with if they've been properly trained. No point in blaming Boeing. No western or Chinese pilot had a problem with the 737 Max.

[Shining Wit]

That is low. In the US, a pilot needs 1500 hours before being hired as a First Officer on a regional jet (although it is somewhat lower if he went through an approved flight academy).

I'm now reading that the Captain never did his MAX training. Couple that with an FO that is all assholes and elbows, and a poorly designed stall prevention system, and you have a chain of errors leading to a hull loss.

Don't British Airways and Lufthansa still run their ab initio pilot programmes? Open to correction, but I think that 200 hours is the minimum for a Multi-crew Pilots Licence (according to Wiki the European authorities issue these) which allows commercial flying as a First Officer, with conversion to a full Air Transport Pilot Licence after a further 500 hours on a multi-crew aircraft.

Again, according to Wiki (I know) the US 1500 hours can be done instructing, para-dropping or similar in small aircraft and the flight check for an ATPL can also be done on a single engine. After that, subject to a type-rating, they are legally qualified to be First Officer on a B747.

1500 hours was a knee jerk Congressional reaction to the Colgan Airways crash near Buffalo NY. Both pilots had well over 1500 hours, but the captain had a spotty record and the First Officer commuted from her parents home in Seattle, because she could not live in New York base on her salary of, at that time, probably USD 20/25000.

With regard to ED's rant, one shitehole airline tried to get a common type rating for the 737-300 (1st flight 1984) 737-700 and 800 (Next Generation) and 737-700 and 800 MAX. This cheapskate airline is HQd in Dallas TX and is called Southwest.

[SaltyPete]

I know what you mean. When the MCAS has to tell the Autopilot how to fly then that would be a worry.

Will be interesting to hear the facts of the event. The co-pilot had 200 hours. In commercial airline terms that is so low.

That is low. In the US, a pilot needs 1500 hours before being hired as a First Officer on a regional jet (although it is somewhat lower if he went through an approved flight academy).

I'm now reading that the Captain never did his MAX training. Couple that with an FO that is all assholes and elbows, and a poorly designed stall prevention system, and you have a chain of errors leading to a hull loss.

[GDreams]

It's interesting to note that only airlines from shithole countries like Indonesia and Ethiopia have managed to crash a 737 Max. Boeing marketed the 737 Max on the basis that no additional simulator time was needed for pilots when changing over from the 737-800. The only requirement was that pilots watch a 50 minute video on their iPad. This video didn't even cover the new MCAS. Most of the sales of the 737 Max have been to shithole countries with India, Mexico, Indonesia, China and Ethiopia being the largest buyers. The fact that shithole airlines didn't need to install a new simulator and converting pilots didn't need five rides with a check captain meant huge cost savings.

Ethiopian airlines is a well respected airline that has a history of high standards in maintenance and purchasing modern quality aircraft. They fly extensively into Europe where regulators are very strict on the standards airlines maintain. Boeing installed a shoddy system with minimal information and training. The aircraft have been sold extensively around the world so don't know what your point is about supposedly shithole countries.

[BrainDrain]

Actually, the MCAS only activates with the autopilot disengaged.

I know what you mean. When the MCAS has to tell the Autopilot how to fly then that would be a worry.

Will be interesting to hear the facts of the event. The co-pilot had 200 hours. In commercial airline terms that is so low.

In the Philippines context, how do those young Cebu Pacific and PAL guys get experience? There is bugger all civil aviation industry. In Australia the young guns go west to the outback, or go get their hours in the mountains of PNG. I'm sure similar in ISA and Europe.