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[Pistons]

So because you are running late you have a right to risk MY life? Driving "subconscious (ly)?

I can't believe you are trying to justify this.

Especially if it comes to your life. LOL.

Unless you live on the edge, you are taking up too much space!

[McAdonis]

Jmioffe, thanks for sharing your experience.

Loneliness is a growing epidemic and reportedly affects 1 in 4 people in many countries, so I do not think it should be stigmatized. It should not be something one needs to be defensive about: https://www.kff.org/report-section/l...vey-section-1/.

You write that it "jeopardized your human development" and that you find it hard to "develop a connection" with people. Why do you feel this? Would you say it is because you lack the social skills? Or maybe you feel you have the social skills to develop a connection, but you are too busy to "nurture" that connection over a longer period of time? For instance, you might meet some guy at the pub (not sexual of course) and bond the entire night over beers, but if you never follow up on that friendship or check in once a while, then that connection eventually fades. Life is busy. There are too many distractionsnevermind a time-consuming hobby like mongering. Let me know, if I am way off track.

I can be my most worst critic, but I would rate my social skills as 5-6 on a 10-point scale. Amongst other HARDCORE mongers, I am probably 8-9 on a 10-point scale. I am sorry to say, we are not the most socialized group. It is noticeable in conversations within five minutes of meeting someone and sometimes even reading posts. I would liken it to other skills. Some people just haven't had the repetitions or life experience of drinking beers and relating to another human face-to-face, so at best it is awkward, at worse they are annoying. Others you meet and they are just more likable and pleasant to speak with. They are engaging. They have a way of making you feel comfortable (and they can sense when you are uncomfortable and steer the conversation back). They listen to you and at least appear to value what you have to say. They are able to connect and relate to people. Often times, I observe that these people are better storytellers. Why? Because they have rehearsed the story many times, because they are extroverts and they socialize a lot more. They speak about their emotions. Some of their stories show vulnerability (coincidentally a tactic that WGs use to build closeness). They speak about fears and insecurities. Their emotional vocabulary is even different and more colorful I. E. "I felt devastated". They are not bitter at the world. They are not incessant complainers. They do not dominate the conversation and there is no conversational narcissism.

Having a lack of social skills is nothing to be ashamed of. You cannot change your past. The important thing is to strive to improve. We stereotype that poor social skills is always the result of some loser kid that got bullied causing him to withdraw from all social activities and thereby stunting his "human development". But this article lists many other reasons: (1) being sick and bedridden as a child, (2) immigrating as a child, (3) being sheltered as a child, and (4) even cultural reasons such as is the case when Indian and Asian parents emphasize academics over socializing: https://www.succeedsocially.com/relatedfactors.

[Pistons]

Well, I started off going to all sorts of places in east and south east Asia, before feeling Europe was more convenient due to shorter travelling distance. And I can surely attest to the notion that mongering in all sorts of cultures helps fight prejudices against people from these nations. Also as opposed idea on wg's in south east Asia, they are as normal as any other girl or woman from lets say Romania. I know this since I hit up on several normal girls at the university and in shopping malls too in three different Asian countries. And they were exactly like the WG's. Well except also much easier to get uncapped. And the normal girls were always soaking wet. But that is where the difference stopped.

But I also notice how mongering cause protective racism among the locals. You see it with the local male populace in Asia. You see it with Romanian males across Europe. And you see it with american white males when a non white male gets a white girlfriend. This is basically an unstoppable force of globalism. It is not limited at mongering, but has equally much to do with girlfriend / boyfriends. And the only way to not getting dragged into depression, hatred and racism, is to fuck your way out of it by having sex with women from other cultures as well. There should perhaps be some sort of international sex exchange organization.

Like that Japanese woman who felt guilt towards the Chinese after all the killings during ww2, and wanted to sell herself to Chinese males. It was even a diplomatically framed story about it in the newspapers in Asia. Way to make peace!

[Mr Ho]

This is something I'm wrestling with at the moment too. I've been a lot of beautiful women, but I think the main danger with this hobby that I hadn't realized is not that it threatens your health (with STIs) or morals -- but it's jeopardized my human development. I've had a lot of superficial relationships, nothing unpleasant, but there are days I feel jealous of friends and acquaintances who have been with fewer, less attractive women, but have developed that deep bond that takes years to mature.

Meanwhile, I've cavorted with SPs, but as you note, the hobby is time-consuming and secretive, so it's hard to develop that connection with even other people who you don't want to have sex with.

Thank you for posting this.

I think one can develop as human without human connection to woman you have sex with.

For instance, you have human connection with your mother perhaps, or maybe sister or aunt or your female good friends or females colleague that you often dine / take a drink with etc. , and you do not have sex with these people, yet they inspire you to develop as human and take your point of views on life to different level.

So if you have that human connection or development part with friends, there is not need to crave that with women you have sex with.

Some men become different after they have sex with women, but for me, once I have sex with them, it is beginning of the end, I tend to prefer to have sex with people who are just beautiful looking and young. And bottom line of this is described by one quote mentioned by Karl Lagerfeld, "I do not like to have sex with people I love".

However, I understand you about nice breakfast in nice cafe morning after you have sex with the person you had sex with, beautiful trip together to beautiful destination you both never been before and so on, you know sharing the beautiful moment of life, it is very beautiful personality thing and each human has somewhere inside, but I used to do that in my university days, maybe I was lucky and for me that was so beautiful, nice and memorable and I appreciate those beautiful girls gave me such a good memories, but that now become burden, I think as years went by got into my 30's, I became more harden as I was hard before, but that intensify, so I prefer to have sex with just beautiful girls that I can change.

I had rational personality and for me as I entered my 30's and this began since I was about around 26 or 28 ish, I tend to become more rational and began to think, I should take the best part of whole package and keep on fucking young beautiful girls I can change as I wish to. It was big paradigm shift for me. All this began when mongering industry begin providing me normal beautiful university girl who just began in industry, models who some of them even made it to tv screen and famous magazines, porn stars like maria ozawa and rola takizawa etc. I did thing not all men can do, and that is why I begin to shift this way. I never felt jealous with any men who have sex with lower looking quality women because that is something I do not want to do the most. I like fucking young beautiful girls that most men jerk off to on computer screen because I only get to live once, so I do not want to be a masturbation type of guys, which are most guys.

I was a monger, I am a monger and I will always be a monger till the day I die as long as the industry keep on providing me with top level girls which they began to do in this recent 10 years. With opposition attempt, with its up and down, still the prostitution industry is at its best in history in this recent 10 years, I hope it remain that way and thanks to aviation industry that when it is down here at my home city, I fly to else where. Plus I traveled quite extensively since young age and each city I visit since I am 17 or 18, I make sure I fuck the hottest girl in town no matter what, this is important thing for me even when I am travelling for cultural reason because I believe fucking among the most beautiful girl from the travel destination is the essential part of knowing their culture.

In closing, fucking beautiful women helps a lot to develop you as human, but human connection with friends, animals, natures, travel, with different cultures, books, internet forum like this, talking to random strangers that you only see once in your life, sky line you see from airplane you are travelling etc etc also help you a lot to develop as human. This is my stance in life. Oh! Also the fight to, when I am attack, I fight, I always fight and it help me to develop as human too, it is in our blood as human to fight against attackers.

[Polyamorist]

Al-salaam aleikum Sayyid Pistons.

The escapism related to travelling, is also helping the brain become more creative:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...travel/388135/

I suppose however that going back to the same destinations over and over, can be repetitive. And in that sense, it is easy to fall back on negativity. I like to think of this as being isolated as opposed to exploration. But how do we define mongering as explorations? Is new girls, or new lineups the same as exploration? Or how about a new club? Is finding a non Romanian girl enough? How about an Italian, or a Spanish? (Pun intended). Or does a monger need to travel to a new continent?

Now you're talking! Mr Cane knows about the benefits of continent-hopping. For my part I have effectively been in exile from Germany since the 2017 Anti-Prostitution Laws. I feel exactly like Stefan Zweig but with less Jewish stuff and more hookers. But maybe the kick in the seat of the pants that Chancellor Merkel gave me was just what I needed to get out and feed my Wanderlust. You too, you are not too late. To give you some motivation, see the attached image. (By the way, can I take a poll on whether they are real or silicone? She swore she was all-natural and they felt real, but don't let that sway your opinion if you hate my guts.).

I'm not sure who first made the point -- was it McAdonis or SockPuppetUpHosAss? -- but jet-powered mongering really broadens the mind and widens a man's social contacts to other cultures. As a hobby it sure beats trainspotting and baseball cards! If we picture the world as a collection of closed-minded tribes, what great forces break down the barriers between those tribes? (1) Trade / money (2) Sex (3) [CARLSAGANVOICE] Man's indomitable restlessness and will to explore [/CARLSAGANVOICE]. Sex alone causes us guys to overcome our prejudices and have interactions with women that we otherwise would have dismissed as too vapid to deal with. Conversely money causes beautiful women to talk to men that they would never have considered, leading them to learn and change their minds in many cases. But without sex and money, we would all stay in our comfort zones: the guys stuck in sweaty Star Trek conventions and the girls in beads and bracelets festivals. In fact that probably describes a lot of American small towns, each side going mad on opioids while vaguely feeling they are lacking something in their lives.

P.S. It's not called escapism if you actually escape. Free your dick and your mind will follow.

[Jmioffe]

There is a lack of human connection. This hobby is both time consuming and secretive, so the men who partake in this hobby at addict-levels, I would say are more socially isolated then the general male population. This in itself is alarming, because many psychologists already consider loneliness to be a huge health risk for middle-aged men in many Western and East Asian countries: https://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine...okL/story.html.

Internet forums and social media allow us to maintain contact with friends and family or form friendships with like-minded strangers on the other side of the world. But the problem is when one withdraws from society, and seeks only to interact in a virtual world because it is "safer". They use internet forums to alleviate their loneliness. They just want to be heard. They struggle to be noticed. So they repeat themselves over and over again.

I am not posting this because I am deliberately trying to attack anyone. I just hope the ones that need help get help. I have admitted to being slightly socially awkward in the past. And sometimes I feel disconnected and drifting. I have let friendships lapse. Sometimes checking my phone and then feeling like a loser because I only have work related messages or messages from another monger. I mean I am not some 20 year old Instagram model that can post photos and get socially validated with thousands of likes in a matter of minutes.

This is something I'm wrestling with at the moment too. I've been a lot of beautiful women, but I think the main danger with this hobby that I hadn't realized is not that it threatens your health (with STIs) or morals -- but it's jeopardized my human development. I've had a lot of superficial relationships, nothing unpleasant, but there are days I feel jealous of friends and acquaintances who have been with fewer, less attractive women, but have developed that deep bond that takes years to mature.

Meanwhile, I've cavorted with SPs, but as you note, the hobby is time-consuming and secretive, so it's hard to develop that connection with even other people who you don't want to have sex with.

Thank you for posting this.

[Neurosynth]

. . . I drove for 4 hours tonight, and fell asleep behind the wheel over 30 times times going at 125 km / h. In a world of free will I would have been clean dead by now. . . .

If you want to drive off the edge of a cliff alone, I suppose that's your choice.

But you have no right to endanger the lives of other drivers like that.

Next time pull off into an Aral or the like. Sleep for a couple hours.

By the time I reached my gate at Vienna airport, boarding was about to finish, and I had ten minutes left till gate closed. I did manage to squeeze in a ten minute nap with 180 km left to go. But I am a pretty skilled driver, even on the subconscious level. Then again, I am sure that in twenty years from now, driving a car will probably become illegal.

So because you are running late you have a right to risk MY life? Driving "subconscious (ly)?

I can't believe you are trying to justify this.

[Mr Ho]

Cane and Mr Ho. There is a person posting in various threads who has maybe eight handles. I try not to be conned into replying to any of them.

Yes, thank you, I wrote that before, but got filtered out. Yes, I noticed who that is and he is keep on writing to himself between that different handle names sometimes praising his own posts using sir etc. And sometimes trying to cause arguments in forum mainly by pointing finger. I do not know why that make such person happy doing that on internet forum, I mean how low and sad is making few handle names and talking to himself?

I like writing here to discuss what I cannot discuss in my private life, which is mongering and behind the scene of mongering world, but it is sad and so low to realize some people use few handle names and writing to himself just to cause arguments.

[Takedown]

Cane and Mr Ho. There is a person posting in various threads who has maybe eight handles. I try not to be conned into replying to any of them.

Optimist,

Because I actually care about your opinion on matters, the poster they refer to is not me.

[Optimist]

Well that person is filled with anger and hate and pointing fingers without able to see himself. It is himself and not themselves because he has two accounts with two handle name. It got to be taken down.

Cane and Mr Ho. There is a person posting in various threads who has maybe eight handles. I try not to be conned into replying to any of them.

[The Cane]

Keep working at it. Stress and anger is a disease.

Yes, I'm sure you know. Now monger on people! It's only a "psychological illness" if you let other people with their own agendas, like the feminists, define and shape the nature of the conversation.

[Takedown]

As you can see, coping mechanisms including denial and rationalization are quite strong. Social isolation and lack of intimate relationships cultivate these traits. The fact that you recognize that pitfall puts you leaps and bounds ahead of the those that try to deny their faults. People will never fix what they do not accept as a problem. The people I know who recognized their shortcomings often go on to do great things, meaningful things. The ones who do not seem to live a rather forgetful existence, contributing nothing to their friends, families, and societies.

There is a lack of human connection. This hobby is both time consuming and secretive, so the men who partake in this hobby at addict-levels, I would say are more socially isolated then the general male population. This in itself is alarming, because many psychologists already consider loneliness to be a huge health risk for middle-aged men in many Western and East Asian countries: https://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine...okL/story.html.

Internet forums and social media allow us to maintain contact with friends and family or form friendships with like-minded strangers on the other side of the world. But the problem is when one withdraws from society, and seeks only to interact in a virtual world because it is "safer". They use internet forums to alleviate their loneliness. They just want to be heard. They struggle to be noticed. So they repeat themselves over and over again.

I am not posting this because I am deliberately trying to attack anyone. I just hope the ones that need help get help. I have admitted to being slightly socially awkward in the past. And sometimes I feel disconnected and drifting. I have let friendships lapse. Sometimes checking my phone and then feeling like a loser because I only have work related messages or messages from another monger. I mean I am not some 20 year old Instagram model that can post photos and get socially validated with thousands of likes in a matter of minutes.

[Mr Ho]

Personally I feel there is also a disease out there to always define people as having psychological disorders, or syndromes. It is a syndrome in and of itself to define syndromes.


Now I do agree with what may be the notion you are trying to pursue here though. At least what I assume it is. That any form or day to day open personal interaction is better than living a double life where we need to hide it. The idea of dishonesty is probably not good for anybody. Public relation and communications theory is very straight forward on this. The by far best way is the symmetrical two way honest conversation. Everything else leads to distrust. And this distrust is perhaps a key ingredient to all the 80% negative thoughts we have in our daily lives. Too bad most of the world does not believe in the two way symmetrical conversation. But rather in the asymmetrical marketing bullshit.

It is depend on how you think. Negatively thinking it isolated some people, but positively thinking, it put people more together and closer. For mongers, I tend to think of putting people close together and gave me deeper understanding of where to go etc and also thing behind mongering industry.

This is because for most mongers, we have to hide our mongering side of life, but internet and technology is not bad thing because it gave us platform where mongers can communicate with anonymity. So it is not all bad thing and did not isolate people, but put people together.

As for labeling people with diseases and pointing fingers playing with words you just write quickly in forum is result of their own stereo type and their narrow mind, the odd thing is they are doing very thing we are doing, but they tend to think they are different, it is sad part of human nature to be self righteous thinking and biased justification to think just them are exempted from the very same action they are conducting too. But it also show how effective is the marketing conducted to brainwash those people who tend to label people with names and diseases without really knowing you.

[Pistons]

There is a lack of human connection. This hobby is both time consuming and secretive, so the men who partake in this hobby at addict-levels, I would say are more socially isolated then the general male population. This in itself is alarming, because many psychologists already consider loneliness to be a huge health risk for middle-aged men in many Western and East Asian countries: https://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine...okL/story.html.

Internet forums and social media allow us to maintain contact with friends and family or form friendships with like-minded strangers on the other side of the world. But the problem is when one withdraws from society, and seeks only to interact in a virtual world because it is "safer". They use internet forums to alleviate their loneliness. They just want to be heard. They struggle to be noticed. So they repeat themselves over and over again.

Personally I feel there is also a disease out there to always define people as having psychological disorders, or syndromes. It is a syndrome in and of itself to define syndromes.

When that is said, technology is definitely isolating people. What you talk about here in regards to our little mongering segment in this world has been studied far greater in regards to for example computer gaming. Where it is has far greater outreaches as well. And the results seems to go both ways. Claiming it leads both to increasing loneliness, and decreasing it. Taking this further, a twitch streamer is in a way doing the exact same thing as an instagrammer. And the instagrammer can practically get funded to travel half way around the world, paid for and all by travel operators doing marketing campaigns for young people. The difference with mongering is perhaps the legal issues in regards to political correctness. Which I feel is the reason this topic comes up again and again here in this thread ad nauseum. But I believe we are all tired of this. So defining discussing it as a syndrome, or anything, feels misplaced in our context.

A reason for escapist ideas to be good for us is that anywhere from 90-98% of our daily thoughts, are repetitive from day to day. And 80% of these thoughts are negative.

The escapism related to travelling, is also helping the brain become more creative:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...travel/388135/

I suppose however that going back to the same destinations over and over, can be repetitive. And in that sense, it is easy to fall back on negativity. I like to think of this as being isolated as opposed to exploration. But how do we define mongering as explorations? Is new girls, or new lineups the same as exploration? Or how about a new club? Is finding a non Romanian girl enough? How about an Italian, or a Spanish? (Pun intended). Or does a monger need to travel to a new continent?

One might say travelling to do non mongering things helps as well. At least mixing it up with skiing, beach sports, or even going to museums. But mongering is in a way like partying. Just with a secure ending at the end. Even if the conversations does seem to get a bit on the repetitive side. Sex, and the release of Oxycontin and endorphins does also have great healing properties on the physical level as well. So Mr. Ho has a good point in defining working girls as some form of doctors.

Now I do agree with what may be the notion you are trying to pursue here though. At least what I assume it is. That any form or day to day open personal interaction is better than living a double life where we need to hide it. The idea of dishonesty is probably not good for anybody. Public relation and communications theory is very straight forward on this. The by far best way is the symmetrical two way honest conversation. Everything else leads to distrust. And this distrust is perhaps a key ingredient to all the 80% negative thoughts we have in our daily lives. Too bad most of the world does not believe in the two way symmetrical conversation. But rather in the asymmetrical marketing bullshit.

[Mr Ho]

There is a lack of human connection. This hobby is both time consuming and secretive, so the men who partake in this hobby at addict-levels, I would say are more socially isolated then the general male population..

That is stereo type man, we or at least most of us write here because we can talk about mongering which we cannot talk about in our private lives. I cannot talk to colleague, my parent or my friends (beside very few who knows about my mongering) about my mongering side of life, I hide it.

In life, most of close friends, you make them at high school and university and some lucky ones has childhood friends from even before that. I lost contact with most childhood friends, but since I went to boarding school, I kept contact from my high schools and Universities (I went to 2), and I am mild believer that once you go out there to society after university, it is much harder to make friends because we no longer are innocent.

Some talk about addicted to mongering, but that is society stereo type, addiction is when one cannot control yourself toward certain hobby etc, thinking about mongering all the time is no problem, it is human basic instinct called lust, but once you cannot control your spending toward it or sacrifice all your life for it, then it is an addiction. I can fly to Germany every month if I want to, but I limit my self to 3 trips max or sometimes just 1 trip per year and I also monger here at home too every month, but I do not call this addiction, but something I love to do and it is human lust. It is just society try to lead you or even brainwash you to think that liberal sex is bad thing for their benefits. But that is not to my benefits. And we cannot even talk like this in our private life without getting attack, so when it comes to mongering we write here on sex forum.