Pattaya Reports

[EihTooms]

I hope you realize that girls say what you want to hear. Sorry but I have never met a guy who is 65 and looks 50. I have girls tell me I look 25 to 30 max and I know I don't look that age. Syzy has been told by girls he looks 35. So if a girl says you look 50 sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you're old in their eyes. Remember most Thai men die of old age in their 50s.

Of course, I realize that. That is why I said, "I have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50" instead of the way you mis-characterized what I said.

Keeping ones weight under control definitely helps you to look younger in the eyes of most people, I would say. Just being normal weight rather than obese is bound to shave a good ten years off a middle aged or older man.

[Franciscass]

So it is bewildering why three of us in fairly rapid succession have now agreed that we either did not see "Much" of it in Pattaya, rarely see it or cannot recall seeing it even once. Maybe we three should get our vision checked ASAP.

Make that 4.

[Banana Boi]

have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50.

I hope you realize that girls say what you want to hear. Sorry but I have never met a guy who is 65 and looks 50. I have girls tell me I look 25 to 30 max and I know I don't look that age. Syzy has been told by girls he looks 35. So if a girl says you look 50 sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you're old in their eyes. Remember most Thai men die of old age in their 50s.

You touched on one point that was accurate. You said some Indian men do not look Indian at first glance. The Indian guys I know pulling the hot girls do not look stereotypical Indian, are light skinned, and have no Indian accent.

[EihTooms]

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Most western mongers one sees on the streets of Thailand, including BKK, are 50+, out of shape, fat geezers. Don't get me wrong, not all but majority of them. I know many of you western regulars here will jump and squash me, but that's the truth. They also have their savings and pension benefits and usually no immediate family which doesn't need that money. Being white, moneyed and unencumbered, even if the guy is older than her grand pop, is an ideal demography for a poor Isan farmer girl who has only seen brown skinned men exploit her all her life. Why will she again be seen with one in Pattaya. She is happy with a white walrus. Most of south and south east asia still has a white skin hangover from colonial days. But you are beginning to see the changes.
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Sure looks that way to me, too. I will often mention my age and race on this board (65 year old Caucasian) when I relate an experience because in SEA and particularly Thailand, those are often pertinent factors. But, just as some Indian men might not automatically and immediately appear to be Indian to the girls compared to what they have generally encountered, some of us Caucasian geezers don't exactly fit the profile, either. The description I have mentioned in the past but rarely do anymore is that my weight is proportionate to my height (79 kg, 178 cm tall), 32"/81 cm waist, still have most of my hair, have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50. So I recognize that what I experience out there in the bars or online might be very different from what the men of my same age and ethnic origin, the majority of whom I see passing through the red light districts fitting your description of us above, experience. And, BTW, the results are not necessarily better for me than for them. Not by a long shot.

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Most Indians you see in Beach road, WS etc are boys from smaller cities and towns or rich rural farmers. Out to spend a buck or thousand. The type from western countries many of who have never stepped out of their countries, and who may not even be able to place Thailand geographically on earth. Its good these Indian boys from smaller towns and villages are travelling, unlike their western counterparts. You would rarely see an Indian monger who is guilt free and very happy that he is taking a business lady home for a romp. He is on the lookout always who is watching him. That issue many of you don't have.
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You would rarely see a 50+ single Indian man on the streets of Pattaya, walking alone, looking for a 19 or 20 year old girl. Never.

For reasons above, you would rarely see a "sophisticated" Indian walk hand in hand with an 8 or 8+.
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ArisCasa, a certain board member has repeatedly stated he knows many Indian men who regularly barfine and step out for ST/LT sessions with damned hot Thai girls, that one can hardly approach popular Pattaya Walking Street go-go bars without bumping into several Indian men emerging from them hand-in-hand with the top girls from those bars, practically all of them easily being 8's, 9's and 10's.

So it is bewildering why three of us in fairly rapid succession have now agreed that we either did not see "Much" of it in Pattaya, rarely see it or cannot recall seeing it even once. Maybe we three should get our vision checked ASAP.

[Mr Enternational]

The number one reason that girls have given me for (supposedly) not going with Indians is that they have gone home with one Monger, only to find 4 of his friends in the room expecting their turn and for no extra tip. You may want to try her recommended ST hotel until you can build up a trustworthy reputation.

There are tons of chicks in those Indian discos on Walking Street. When the clubs close the street is flooded with Indian guys leaving with the girls. I don't see how this dude is having a hard time getting laid.

[Goferring]

I have an account with TF and have been trying that route. I didn't put up my pics since I would like to not have my pics out on the web due to privacy reasons. I haven't tried the go-go's yet. I'm assuming they are different from the bars? I'll try your suggestion and will buy the mamasan a LD and also buy the lady a few LD's if she is interested in being bar fined. I will post a review after that. I'm in pattaya till April 14, so if it's possible to team up that would be great. I don't have PM since I only have US credit cards.

Have you tried visiting some of your countrymen in the numerous Indian restaurants in Pattaya? Just walk south along Beach Rd or Second Road towards Walking Street. I'm sure some guys there can give you accurate info.

The number one reason that girls have given me for (supposedly) not going with Indians is that they have gone home with one Monger, only to find 4 of his friends in the room expecting their turn and for no extra tip. You may want to try her recommended ST hotel until you can build up a trustworthy reputation.

Good luck. G.

[Franciscass]

Disagree here. Never pay upfront otherwise that will set a bad precedent. Better to offer an extra 200 to 500 baht if things go better. Paying upfront gives her too much leverage in a situation where the punter is already leary about receiving good service. Inflating the price, while not a good option either, will at least be the lesser of 2 evils.

Totally agree in principle but this member seems to be having a hard time getting laid. I suggest using an offer of upfront payment as a last resort on the off chance she is happy to go with him but her concern is getting paid.

It should be mentioned that paying upfront is becoming more and more the norm in the P4 P scene whether escorts soapies or oilies. With FL'S and Go Go hook ups it's still by and large after the session but I also see this changing over time.

There is an ongoing conversation whether upfront results in inferior service. From personal experience I would yes but only marginally so.

[IMembr]

Cheap and perhaps problem with getting paid.. It's not ideal but you may have to offer upfront payment but be as sure as you can that she knows and agrees to what you expect. Also early in the visit to the bar tip the mamasan and buy some drinks.

Disagree here. Never pay upfront otherwise that will set a bad precedent. Better to offer an extra 200 to 500 baht if things go better. Paying upfront gives her too much leverage in a situation where the punter is already leary about receiving good service. Inflating the price, while not a good option either, will at least be the lesser of 2 evils.

[Sunlover2]

I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US.

Try Devils Den. They have both in-call and outcall options. The deeper end of the pool, but DD has a non-descrimonation policy posted on their website.

From the Devils Den FAQ page:

Q. I'm Indian / African / Middle Eastern, many Pattaya establishments will not even allow me in the door- what is your policy?

A. We welcome well mannered, educated gentlemen of all races, colors and creeds. Anyone who treats our ladies with courtesy and respect is our guest, anyone. Regardless of where they are from, who behaves otherwise will be asked to leave.

SL.

[EihTooms]

Ha! Uncle Tooms, it seems I need to let you know when I'm in BKK next time. Bring a decent camera with, so you can take a few snaps when I stroll passed with a 9+ LOL. Seriously though, I get what you're saying and in general that seems to be the case. Didn't notice Much of that on my trip either. However I did see an Indian chap with a beautiful 8 Russian girl in Pattaya, and another Indian chap with a very cute 8 Thai girl at a 7/11 in Pattaya also, nothing of the sort in BKK, but then again I didn't hit the Gogos or Clubs in BKK.

Now I'm also of Indian descent albeit from Africa, so just want to give other Indian punters a bit of comfort in knowing that they can pull just about any girl if they got some game. Personally I had zero discrimination from the ladies, aside from the Thermae 'Asian Only' fan club, but ended up cracking some of them too.

Attached are some of the girls I met and remain in contact with. They may not be 6's, 7's or 8's in everyone's eyes, but some are definitely in mine. Yeah, their faces aren't blurred out, but these aren't sexually compromising photos.

Siamisin, I appreciate you agreeing with me on one of my two major points. You didn't notice much of what I had not noticed either, right? And I imagine you might be paying more attention to that kind of thing than I am generally. Of course, one factor I can't assess in your particular case with regard to your success in being seen walking around with "9+" Thai P4P girls or any of the girls in your photos is, if I saw you in person, would I even take you to be an Indian walking past me with your girl? LOL.

I have seen your photos with your face blurred out and blocked so it is not something I can judge merely from the portions of your body I have seen in the shots. Your skin appears to be rather light. You have mentioned several times that there is some element of "spin" on your Indian ethnicity that suggests many people might not think you are Indian. Or maybe I misunderstood that? Naturally, such a factor would not apply to the point I made. If most Thai girls would not automatically and immediately take you to be an Indian man on meeting you then your experience and my observation of it would be radically different and largely irrelevant to the point I made.

And what I see in making my rounds would have nothing to do with the girls someone meets in a massage shop or escorts arriving at a hotel room or girls who take their customers upstairs in a BJ Bar or other similar venue. I can only talk about what I see outside, walking around the red light districts.

But on my second point, that is something no one can assess by just looking around. However, I can assure everyone that if your restrictions are a P4P session must include either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM to even begin to be worth paying money for, then you've got a very heavy lift ahead of you in Thailand if at the same time you'll be hitting up all the best looking girls in any joint. And you don't have to be obviously Indian to have big challenges ahead of you on that count. I am Caucasian (however, 65 years old, which likely is a factor as well) with that kind of restriction and there is no way I would spend much of my time and money trying to win over the bargirl "9s" or the best lookers in a bar rather than make the logical compromises.

On both points, and you appear to be agreeing with me on the ethnicity one, simply suggesting, "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar, don't make the mistake I see being made all the time, the only problem is in your mind, I see successes happening all around", is totally unrealistic based on what is easily observable to you and me, imo.

[Goferring]

I'm trying to not let my disappointment frustrate me. So yesterday I decided that if I'm unable to pick up a girl at a bar, I would just go to a MP and release the tension. So I did go to a MP yesterday on the same street as Benelux but a little further down. They charged me 500 for an hour massage and 500 for a HJ. The massage was just for namesake and got a HJ towards the end. I was talking with the girl and after the massage was done, I suggested that I could give her a massage too. She agreed and I actually gave a decent massage for her shoulders, back, legs and feet. She was happy with the massage and was joking that she should pay me for the massage.

Probably the best thing you could have done as everyone goes through dry spells and the girls can smell desperation from miles away. Get the first few shots out of the way, calm down and get on with enjoying the place.

Enjoy. G.

[Blanquiceleste]

Ha! Uncle Tooms, it seems I need to let you know when I'm in BKK next time. Bring a decent camera with, so you can take a few snaps when I stroll passed with a 9+ LOL. Seriously though, I get what you're saying and in general that seems to be the case. Didn't notice Much of that on my trip either. However I did see an Indian chap with a beautiful 8 Russian girl in Pattaya, and another Indian chap with a very cute 8 Thai girl at a 7/11 in Pattaya also, nothing of the sort in BKK, but then again I didn't hit the Gogos or Clubs in BKK.

Now I'm also of Indian descent albeit from Africa, so just want to give other Indian punters a bit of comfort in knowing that they can pull just about any girl if they got some game. Personally I had zero discrimination from the ladies, aside from the Thermae 'Asian Only' fan club, but ended up cracking some of them too.

Attached are some of the girls I met and remain in contact with. They may not be 6's, 7's or 8's in everyone's eyes, but some are definitely in mine. Yeah, their faces aren't blurred out, but these aren't sexually compromising photos.

Dude you should save your breath and bytes. The naysayers here will tell you that anyone can pick a few photos off the internet and post them here as "my girls". And then go on to write a long story about themselves and their own fetishes and fantasies.

OTOH more power to you, you have done exceedingly well, I like all the pics you have shared.

[ArisCasa]

Trumpers may jump, but this is what it is.

Most big city bred boys from India no longer visit places like Pattaya, AC and such. They either finished those in 90's, or it doesn't fancy them. They prefer more upscale places like SG, HK, Macau, European cities like Prague, Vienna, Barcelona etc. , because many Indians today can easily afford spending upwards of USD $ 1000 a day during their week outing abroad. Also Indians do not travel solo for pleasure, even with families. You would rarely see a single family with 2 kids, rarely. Its usually with friends or sibling families / cousins They mostly travel in minimum 3's /4's or more. That's a cultural thing. This travelling in groups is not most suited for mongering, as we all know. Go to higher end bars and clubs in Macau, HK, SG, DXB and even in BKK, so many Indian men play their PU game you wouldn't even know they are Indians.

Most Indians you see in Beach road, WS etc are boys from smaller cities and towns or rich rural farmers. Out to spend a buck or thousand. The type from western countries many of who have never stepped out of their countries, and who may not even be able to place Thailand geographically on earth. Its good these Indian boys from smaller towns and villages are travelling, unlike their western counterparts. You would rarely see an Indian monger who is guilt free and very happy that he is taking a business lady home for a romp. He is on the lookout always who is watching him. That issue many of you don't have.

Most western mongers one sees on the streets of Thailand, including BKK, are 50+, out of shape, fat geezers. Don't get me wrong, not all but majority of them. I know many of you western regulars here will jump and squash me, but that's the truth. They also have their savings and pension benefits and usually no immediate family which doesn't need that money. Being white, moneyed and unencumbered, even if the guy is older than her grand pop, is an ideal demography for a poor Isan farmer girl who has only seen brown skinned men exploit her all her life. Why will she again be seen with one in Pattaya. She is happy with a white walrus. Most of south and south east asia still has a white skin hangover from colonial days. But you are beginning to see the changes. You would rarely see a 50+ single Indian man on the streets of Pattaya, walking alone, looking for a 19 or 20 year old girl. Never.

For reasons above, you would rarely see a "sophisticated" Indian walk hand in hand with an 8 or 8+.

If siamsin hadn't declared that he is Indian origin in his earlier post, but if he had done that after all his enticing reports and pics, I am sure many of you board regulars would have been super shocked. There exists plenty superiority complex and a feeling of entitlement by many in here. Also see frequent bashups on Chinese, Koreans and Japs. Whether its 3 x3 x3 comments, huddle and block or if a Jap pays extra over and beyond to get into a pussy, jst like you would pay for backdoor, they come in tour buses wearing logo hats, eat kimchi, being loud, smelly or whatever, that's them. That's how they are. Just like the way you are. Deal with it or live with it. Shed those biases.

P.S: I have traveled 73 countries and pinned 84 flags on my johnny. I can take feedback and criticism with a smile.

[Banana Boi]

Siamsin, a certain board member disagreed with me when I said I knew Indians capable of getting top girls. A couple of months ago I saw another example of an Indian guy I know picking up who I think is one of the top 5 girls at Palace.

I really like these 2 girls, especially the busty one. Looks like a girl I know at one of the Thai PR bars. Far better than what I see most guys are capable of barfining. Good job.

[Raksash81]

Every time the topics on Indians in Thailand comes out there's someone to advice them to be clean and put clean clothes on. I guess they already figured it out by themselves before coming and asking advises to random guys on the internet.

You are correct. I was recently in Thailand for 2 weeks visiting usual places. Found it to be great place for mongering. Didn't face any issues of racial bias by girls. Rather I was aghast at the brazen attitude of cheapness shown by my fellow countrymen.

In a gogo place in Phuket, I saw my fellow countrymen coming inside surveying he girls. Instead of buying any drinks for girls, they want to touch the girls. The girl who was with me told me 'you are not like others. ' The girl didn't reject my advances. And I am not even in top 20% of Indians from fitness POV.

It is the same story in Pattaya also. I used app to catch some early bird before venturing into WS and girls responded in kind. Obviously the girls in this profession understand the language of money. However, in WS I found some doormen to be obnoxious. In Fahrenheit, the doorman allowed me inside first night without asking any question. Second night, the same doorman was in and mood to let me in. I had to call the girl whom I barfined previous night to get entry. Once inside I complained immediately to the Mamasan. She said sorry, won't happen to you again. Perhaps the doorman didn't recognise me from previous night, but it happened. In second case, another doorman didn't allow me inside Imagine. He flatly refused saying 'No Indian'. These are the only two cases of anti-Indian bias I faced.

I have similar friendly experiences in Bangkok also. One Mamasan in a Nana Plaza bar was hell bent on forcing me to barfine a girl. Didn't understand what happened there.

Also I found some guys are writing about not seeing 9 Indian with 9 Gogo girl. I found the claim ludicrous. I saw plenty of 9's with Indian of all standards. I saw CIS girls, I saw blacks also. In fact I was with a black in Phuket.