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04-22-19 10:43 #57
Posts: 239New President.
I didn't realise there was any comedians in Ukraine.
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04-08-19 18:39 #56
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Tomek123 [View Original Post]
And these times are gone. We all remember these times. But all good things never last too long.
tight pussies and hot skillful mouths will be for a long time. It just won't be as easy as before. There will be more courage. More activity. You will need to travel more often to Ukraine. To be open and sociable. That is, Ukraine should become for you something like a native country. You need more effort. If you do not have free time, then of course Asia or Colombia is better.
Difficult doesn't mean bad. Ukrainian girls are not obligated to serve whoever comes to Kiev for 3 days. They have multiple options nowadays:
1. That girl Oksana may say: "Fuck it! I don't want this pathetic loser, who is trying to get into my panties for 1500 UAH, I need more, and I can do better. My roommates Nastya and Elena certainly do better than that".
2. Or travel to Europe, Turkey, Dubai where expenses are higher but Ukrainian girls feel more confident, as there's an illusion of less competition. Or maybe competition is less qualified in marketing and delivering commodities.
3. Or establish a good network of trustworthy customers through the abundance of totally new platforms, that never existed even 3 years ago. Then transform into an indie and milk those customers regularly while young ass is still firm and breasts are perking up.
For business savvy girls the objective is to make enough money to buy an apartment in about 10-15 years on the market (from 18-21 until 28-35). There aren't enough oligarchs and rich sponsors for all the girls on the market in Kiev.
Married or not married, doesn't matter much. Exclusive discreet agencies and personal contacts assembled over time allow semi-monogamous Ukrainian ladies to make supplemental income on a side. And that is not considered prostitution. Those male contributors are friends, lovers, admirers and everything else.
Hunting in the strip or night club is a waste of time. Pros are expensive and digital (insincere). Decent (analog) girls can be found in the street, around Universities, or simply on Instagram, or even better through existing connections, same as where one would find a good girl deserving his time, money and attention. I am not going to marry those girls, but search criteria is the same.
Easy or difficult depends on visitor coming to Kiev. Tables have turned. We used to go to River Palace to pick from what market was offering. Now girls stay home and do their hunting remotely via messenger.
Insisting on doing it your foreigner's way through nightlife and shit, - is an exercise in stupidity. Kiev will surely take your hard earned cash at Arena City, Rio and Scarlette, giving not much in return. To enjoy Kiev to full extent you have to belong. I experienced a paradigm shift and 180 degrees change in girls attitude after staying in Kiev for 8 weeks last fall / winter.
Tomek is right, if you have no time then better go to German FKK or Thailand. Girls in Kiev understand business real well, as it is Charles Darwin's survival of the fittest forcing to learn fast. They want local natives, or expats, or regular visitors. STR means KEC / GIA, and even there customers complain about service quality. Same reasons as explained above.
And as tough as it seems, after I understood the fundamentals and settled my own principles, I do not know any better place, where I do not need a visa, and can be happy, satisfied and content over 90% of my time.
Brazil is great, need a visa.
Moscow is being advertised. It is substantially more expensive, need a visa, and I consider myself Ukrainian. Do not want to visit a country that started a war against mine, killed so many thousands and forced to relocate many many more. Advertising Moscow on Kiev Forum IMHO is not only inconsiderate and obnoxious, it shouldn't be tolerated.
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04-08-19 06:17 #55
Posts: 140Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
Beautiful photo. Ukrainian students. They are like an illustration for my thoughts and conclusions. They seem to say-guys. Do come from Canada and the USA. From Finland and Denmark. Do not behave like in Thailand. We are decent girls and we each have a boyfriend. So everything must be secret. We are not working girls. Everything should be like friendship. And a little romantic. Without excessive pedantry. This is one of the main mistakes of the western guys. They do not always know how to convince a Ukrainian girl that she is not a ****. These guys often do the opposite the girl felt that she was a working girl. These guys just do not understand this mentality and Slavic psychology. Everything should be a little clothed in the form of tender friendship and cooperation. Because the main value of Bangkok is the iron hot Asian working pussy. These Asian pussies work like pumps. From morning till evening. These are iron professionals. Connoisseurs of their business. This is a conveyor. But the biggest value of Kiev and Ukraine is beautiful simple girls who often have guys. And want to get married. These are non-professionals or temporary professionals. For example, a girl came from the province to find a groom in Kiev. And she needs to pay for an apartment. It is just a temporary stage in her life. She is not a prostitute in her psychological basis. Or she wants to buy beautiful clothes. Accessories and fashionable expensive shoes. Then she will probably find a Kiev Ukrainian guy and in a year they will get married. But while she looks at the windows of expensive boutiques with anguish. It is necessary that a 45 year old teacher from Finland or an engineer from England and this beautiful lady can meet. While this girl really wants this shoe from a boutique. And if the parties reach a compromise and this guy will not make blunders in 1-2 days unhappy elderly neighbors in the center of Kiev will hear behind the wall how a humble teacher from Helsinki turns into a lustful monster. Furious creak of the sofa and slaps on the beautiful ass.
The sound in the phone will be temporarily turned off so that boyfriend Sergey does not interfere with the girl in the process. And bestial male growl -yes. Yes. Well. Do you like. Oksana, get. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasss. Ochhhh. Yeeeee. The main thing is that this Finnish bald guy does not have problems with the cardiovascular system. Tight pussy is always acute stress. Then unfortunate Ukrainian neighbors will hear the sound of water in the shower. And then women's laughter. And then they will hear the sound of heels and see how some sort of charming creature in a short skirt came out of their house and went down spring street. This is Oksana. She took a shower after having sex with a Finnish physics teacher and now goes to the boutique to buy beautiful elegant fashion panties. She wants to put these panties on in three days. When she has a meeting with Sergey.
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04-06-19 03:20 #54
Posts: 2821Originally Posted by Tomek123 [View Original Post]
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04-05-19 21:33 #53
Posts: 140Glorious times. But does this mean that Kiev has died forever? No.
Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
The UA girls were also happy. Then. In 2004 . When they abolished the visa regime. It did Yushchenko. Here they are foreigners. Now they don't need a visa. Now you don't need to become a sex slave in a Turkish brothel on the outskirts of Istanbul. You don't need to risk it. You don't need to go to it is unknown to then buy a Gucci handbag or expensive underwear. This can be obtained without risk to life and health. Because thousands and foreigners came to Kiev and then to Kharkov. And now any tall beautiful student can buy good shoes for herself or cosmetics. You just need to work a little with your pussy and mouth. In the room a hotel or a rented apartment. Without the risk of being sold into slavery. And here they are, beautiful panties from a fashionable boutique. Or shoes. And your boyfriend still does not know anything. You just need to take off your panties and stand a little in the pose of a dog in a rented apartment. And work with your tongue and mouth. You don't need to change your life and become a prostitute. And in the evening you go with your favorite boyfriend in a cafe or cinema. New expensive panties bought in a boutique yesterday cover up your pussy. Everyone is happy. A doctor or teacher from Finland is happy. You are happy. And your boyfriend is also happy. He knows nothing. And you do not need to go to the Turkish brothel. But these days are gone. But does this mean that Kiev has died forever? No. Ukraine will still be the poorest country in Europe for a long time. It will always be something like European mexico. And Russia will never let Ukraine go. Russia will always create problems and never allow Ukraine to become a rich European country. Which means tight pussies and hot skillful mouths will be for a long time. It just won't be as easy as before. There will be more courage. More activity. You will need to travel more often to Ukraine. To be open and sociable. That is, Ukraine should become for you something like a native country. You need more effort. If you do not have free time, then of course Asia or Colombia is better.
P.S.
(these photos are from home Russian or Ukrainian porn. In Ukraine and Russia there are really a lot of beautiful girls. Probably this combination of different blood and peoples. Nomads. Slavs. Wikings. This is a cocktail. So many beautiful women. .)
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04-03-19 06:16 #52
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Rog123 [View Original Post]
I travel to Kiev since 1986. Regularly since 2003 with increasing frequency for longer and longer stays with every year passing. Found quite a few allies on this Forum and made friends on Viber and IRL in Kiev.
I have been to River Palace, Mandarin, Restown, and other places that do not exist anymore. One of all-time favorite girls I found at River Palace the night before departure to the airport. Yes, that wonderful place is gone, the whole City is different, but new faces and hot spots are emerging relentlessly.
Firmly addicted to young Ukrainian ladies myself, I spoke to five of them over different messengers today after being away from Kiev for almost four months now. Despite the challenges, overall I am definitely not on the losing side, and have no desire to change. Love Kiev, and it surely shows. To be continued.
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04-03-19 02:55 #51
Posts: 2821Originally Posted by Rog123 [View Original Post]
You are telling guys to go to average Destination at best, I telling guys to strive for more, much better destinations, for the same price. Keep up the positive attitude, and the great information.
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04-02-19 23:42 #50
Posts: 597Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
I can go anywhere I want in the summer for my main yearly vacation and I'll Be back to Kiev for the fourth year in a row. Anyone can see from my post history that I post truthful reports and have visited most of the top mongering spots. So why would I continue to come back? I never even experienced the "glory days" of Kiev as my first trip was six years ago. For me this is the best spot for young attractive semi pros who give GFE experience.
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04-01-19 06:08 #49
Posts: 93Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Having game is just 1 aspect. It is not the aspect. If a girl has already decided condoms only and no A+, nothing will change that. For other girls, it may be something as simple as a guy having a small cock. Other times, it may be money. It can also be if a guy is nice or had some "game". For you to spend some time trying to prop up "having game" while shooting down -money- and throwing Monkey Paw as your 1 and only example is just plain wrong. Even you know it comes down to many factors. Instead you'd rather prop up your ego. LMFAO.
You. Bring up 2's (why would you even bring this up? Do you like to bring up extreme examples?) and call it my standard. Why? I never mentioned my standard. I'm a tech guy from California. And guess what. Having lots of money gets a lot of 8+. But I'm also realistic. Must of the time in the negotiation, the girl will ask for more money for other services. And that right there tells you what the motivation is. What else would it be?
Convincing a girl to do something in the P4P world doesn't take a lot of "game". These girls have heard it all before. It's a roll of a dice finding one who is sexually open than anything. This forum is also filled with rants about bad service because. Starfish. Do you blame the guy's game here?
I suppose the question is. Just how much a guy's ego needs to be fed while also getting laid. That's the real argument here.
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04-01-19 02:48 #48
Posts: 2821Originally Posted by MichiT [View Original Post]
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04-01-19 01:17 #47
Posts: 480Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
Here we go for fights and aggressive discussions - http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4028-Stupid-Shit-in-Kiev
Let's keep silent and peasful here in this forum
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03-28-19 02:17 #46
Posts: 2821Originally Posted by Misterxxx [View Original Post]
You are wasting you time with this guy. He just likes to argue, he refuse to admit he is wrong and refuses to see the other side of anything. Sometimes I wonder if he is even goes to Kiev, the place that I use to love, but everyone has to admit to the decline, but he refuses. He is good at calling escorts and yelling at the operator. I have said, this before he has no regard for Newbies when he makes crazy statements.
Here is an example of some of the latest:
1. Kiev is better then 10 years ago.
2. I can have 3 9's in weekend.
3. Send guys to clubs that are empty and have been empty for years.
4. Refers guys to GIA.
5. Thinks it is funny when girls ask for money.
6. Does not bother him about the bait / switch.
Listen Kiev is good if you can find girls for less then $150 for multiple hours, but anything more is a complete rip off to bang 6's or lower.
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03-27-19 19:17 #45
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Misterxxx [View Original Post]
BTW, do you know a reliable repair shop to replace an iPhone battery in Kiev?
That part of Ukraine is very interesting indeed. It still has the Turkish name "Budzhak", meaning the corner, or maybe even a nook. A mix of Romanian / Moldavian, Ukrainian, Russian, Jewish and even some leftovers from Mongolian invasion back in XIII century. Girls are beautiful though!
I wouldn't recommend anybody going there for mongering unless you have strong connections. I went with yet another 20 years old, who now is in Kiev. Memories make the life worth living.
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03-27-19 15:26 #44
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Misterxxx [View Original Post]
- You forgot to say "please".
Yes I have been to the border with Romania, as already has been stated. Doesn't make me more important.
A used telephone can break.
That iPhone5 that I gave away is still working. Surrogate mother-in-law is very happy. When it breaks, she'll throw it away. It was free, no money transaction executed. She has separate working Droid phone. Same with the girl in question.
Yes these are LTRs, but I am not obligated. If I am around, I'll help fixing it. If I still like and trust the girl, I may even transfer her funds remotely using Ukrainian banking system, but I very rarely do that. Prefer to give money face-to-face, and get a DFK with continuation in return.
Such a problem can affect the good relationship. A very simple girl from the country can be impressed. But a girl from Kiev? In no way. Or do you go to a second-hand clothes shop with your girls?
This particular girl is not from Kiev, certainly is not simple, and is not demanding. We enjoy each other company and together with or without money transactions. That is why it is LTR. Most of my contacts aren't from Kiev originally, with rare exceptions, but they reside in the Capitol now. More convenient for everybody.
I do not pay much attention to origin or pedigree. Young Ukrainian ladies quite often impress with their IQ and how mature they are, how developed mentally, regardless of where they are from. I do not believe you think of a country girl, or a simple girl as a somebody not good enough. I like them all. Simple and sophisticated.
This girl instead of playing a lottery with a random seller at Radio Rynok trusts that my used phone will work for another couple years. I most likely will not be around when the time comes to replace it with the new phone. Only a handful of girls stay with me longer than 3-5 years. Some get married, get a job, some change too much, or simply disappear without a notice. Normal process of evolution. There's enough fish in the see.
Apparently you and I have different perception of reality, and that is perfectly fine. As one wise person said here on the Forum:
- The World would be a boring place, if everybody was exactly the same.
You are entitled to have your opinion. IMHO we are getting into too much detail discussing very simple matter. I already got my answers from Horny American in a very concise form.
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03-27-19 10:37 #43
Posts: 220Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
The fact is: $ 100 for a meeting is portrayed as ridiculous. Instead, a used iPhone 6 or 6's is proposed. But this is already available for $ 150. I already mentioned the source. Of course, there are phones of different qualities. But a Ukrainian knows the true value. So $ 150. Because top quality is not expected. But here a value of $ 200 to $ 300 was given for such a phone. That's not true. So the $ 150 for such a phone is closer to the $ 100. About which you laughed. Here you are still trying to save money. And $ 150 is still not $ 300. Which were proposed for a meeting "in 2019".
In addition: A used telephone can break. What do you do when the phone stops working a month later? Total loss. The girl will be upset. But you would like to continue to meet the girl. What does the plan look like? Will you give $ 300 for the last meeting? And take the phone back? Or $ 100 or $ 150 or $ 200? A new phone is being repaired by the store. Minimum: A used, no longer functioning phone will cause costs. About that the girl will be annoying. Even if a repair costs only 500 UAH.
Such a problem can affect the good relationship. A very simple girl from the country can be impressed. But a girl from Kiev? In no way. Or do you go to a second-hand clothes shop with your girls?