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[Sirioja]

Do Italian border regulars know if beautiful Marina club will re open? I preferred than Wellcum on August 2018 , was good casting even on Monday and Tuesday with discount entry. Good foods, good drinks, beautiful swimming pool, just miss beautiful Carinthians mountains. Had 2 really interesting girls at Marina, when full of charm before room, Tea. It was so disappointing, just suck and fuck, in bed for Ferragosto party, so lower than exceptional Lena on Ferragosto 2017.

[Dubner32]

Yes, SaS, thank you. I did mean Palace in Gisikon / Root just north east of Lucerne.

[ShoesAndSocks]

Do you mean Palace in Frankfurt? From Wengen to there, my google maps tells me its a 4 h 38 m drive.

I think he must mean Club Palace near Lucerne.

[Pistons]

2 fantastic girls at Wellcum I can only recommend is Isabela and Ana. I repeated with both, and they have great attitudes and are smiling all the time. Isabela is friends with Daria too. Something which seems to be a staple of quality and proof of good influence. Ana seems a bit shy in the lounge, but blooms when you get to know her. She is also supercute.

Aside from that, lineup in general changes like an avalanche. Many girls have left, and just half the rooster survives 6 months it seems. Lorena, Amelia, Elisa, Angie, Daria, Manuela etc and some other top girls are still left. But Nia, Vanessa and others have left it seems.

[Pistons]

Do you mean Palace in Frankfurt? From Wengen to there, my google maps tells me its a 4 h 38 m drive. A bit stiff for an apres ski don't you think?

I look at skiresort.info and google maps to find the top ski resorts myself. Looking at km of intermediate and expert slopes. But it doesn't make the correct picture always. And slope length can be off. As well as some resorts actually being divided in two, while others not including all, even after a lift upgrade. But wengen does seem more hyped than the info suggests. Even if the world cup competition does make it seem great. For Switzerland I've more looked at verbier and zermatt as well as laax. Ischgl is the best resort I have ever been to though. But location compared to FKK's doesn't seem the best for many of the swizz resorts. Although Ischgl to Circolo Passion is just an hour. Even if you go to Zurich afterwards, driving in Switzerland can take time.

[Dubner32]

Pistos,

The Nassfeld / Wellcum combo remains my top ski / fun fav. Though this season Wengen / Palace came close. Brilliant sunny days piste cruising under the Eiger Nordwand followed by Evelyn / Aida trio. That's the life. Though shame the Lauterbrunnen / Gisikon drive is quite so long. Compare notes next winter?

[Pistons]

Well that was a Nassfeld ski resort review. What happened to the headline I tried to add?

[Pistons]

At least that is what they claim. And frankly, I was not at all disappointed either. They say there is more sun on the south side of the alps than on the north side. So even if the resorts are not as big on the south side (including Italy except Sella Ronda), and if we look away from the larger resorts to the west on the french border.

I cannot remember having seen as much clear sky every single day for a full week while skiing / snowboarding before. It was not a single cloud all week.

The resort is probably the best there is if you want to end up at Wellcum or Andiamo later at night. And looking at the plans forward, they want to build a gondola from the Italian border town of Pontebba also. When done, that would cut the travel time down to Marina (if or when it reopens) down to just 1 h and 20 min. From Nassfeld to Wellcum it currently takes 40 minutes to drive.

It is a good size lift system with 110 km of slopes. And before going I compared it to Kronplatz in Italy. From my personal point of view it looks like it is almost identical in terms of size and modernness. Both places do lack in off piste opportunities, but the prepped slopes are good. Kronplatz may have more good restaurants however. At Nassfeld there are both the too expensive terrible food options, as well as two or three really good restaurants up in the slopes. A few of which are across the Italian border. Thankfully, if ending the day at Wellcum, good food won't be lacking! Yes, there is currently also 1 lift on the Italian side. And that is where they want to expand the system also. The best restaurant I found was restaurant 1 on the 2018/19 piste map. Half way down Garnitzen Alm. But the restaurant is so popular also, that it was though to get a seat there!

The best slopes were the FIS slope 1. As well as the 3/4 slope down Watschiger Alm. A lift up Auernig is also the next expansion plan, and should be a good choice given the proximity to slope 3 and 4.

The slopes on the main side (lift 10 and 25) were not too interesting. But mainly due to too many people skiing there, so the slopes got way too bumpy. Slope 7, 8 and 9 was also good, although not too steep. The terrain and view there was good. And while the view at slope 50 and 51 was not the best, the slopes there were quite good before too many people had ruined them and made them into moguls, like on the main side (lift 10 and 25). Lift 21,22 and 23 had the shadow valley problem. So not too good sight. At least towards the end of the day. But some runs there are steep, so you can get good speeds! The well marketed Carnia run at 8 km was fine, although not very good for snowboarding (low inclination in parts). It did make me tired. But mainly due to the lower side of slope having melted a bit. So the snow was very slushy on the lower 200-300 height meters. Which is below everything else in the slope system at Nassfeld.

All in all I felt I didn't need to go elsewhere. And the proximity to Villach is really nice. I would rate the resort on the same level as Penken in Mayrhofen, or Zillertal Arena. Not as good as Ischgl, but cheaper.

[Massimo Potente]

Massimo,

I have been to a few places like these sexbars you mention. But in Germany. Berlin or Frankfurt. And every time I get the sense of a high scam factor. Are you saying these Austrian sexbar places are not scam joints?

Why would they be scam joints? The ones I mentioned are of course legit. And so are most of the others as well.

[Pistons]

Massimo,

I have been to a few places like these sexbars you mention. But in Germany. Berlin or Frankfurt. And every time I get the sense of a high scam factor. Are you saying these Austrian sexbar places are not scam joints?

[MonSooner]

Not that I agree with all the numbers / estimations but as far as context is concerned I think you are spot on.

And don't forget Pasha club which is very popular where ever they pop up. Best one is probably in Kln Germany. Not that I want to compare Germany to Austria, don't worry! Pasha in Salzburg is the best one the chain in Austria AFAIK.

[Massimo Potente]

MP,

See your comment 'prefer normal traditional clubs over FKK'. Not clear which type of club you are suggesting. Please give some suggestions or examples. Thanks, D.

In all of Austria there are not more than 15 FKK clubs. Off the top of my head I count 12 but I might have forgotten some. Some of those FKKs are very small and almost not relevant in the greater brothel scheme. Those 15 FKKs can't occupy more than 600-700 sexworkers because some of them are pretty small and often have less than 20 girls on average. With a couple thousand registered sexworkers in Austria, I estimate 7000+ of them, the market share of FKKs is a generous estimation of 10% max. By far the biggest of all of them (considered by many to be the best club in Europe) is FKK Wellcum. But Austrians don't really go there. Wellcum and Andiamo merely exist because of the nearby Italian border and also Slovenia and Croatia being close.

That leaves a rest of a few thousand sexworkers and all the other punters spreading among all the other places. A few dozen Laufhauses, a dozen Peepshows, a few hundreds sexbars and a few hundred sex studios and massage parlors. Those sexbars are what I consider the original sexclubs which is also why I said traditional clubs. Those are bars in which there is music, drinks, maybe pole dancing and rooms on sight. Sometimes there is food but mostly there isn't. Sexbars are by far the preferred clubs for us Austrians.

The best and most famous ones are Babylon, Casabianca, Maxim, Carisma and too many more to mention. Also Circolo Passion has a beauty of a sexbar next to the FKK part of it.

Don't compare the German FKK landscape to the Austrian one. They couldn't be more different.

[TheRugdr]

Circolo is a good club and definitely better than many German clubs. Makes no sense at all to make that general comparision. Comparing to the very best German, Swisss or Austrian clubs, of course Circolo is not on the same level but then again, as I said multiple times, there also isn't a demand for that many FKK clubs in Austria because we really prefer normal tradional clubs over FKK. When in Innsbruck, Circolo is absolutely among the best choices that you have unless you have a private plane or helicopter at your disposal to quickly do some light late-evening-brothel-hopping across the alps or whatever.

I just discovered Circolo a couple days ago and though it was great. It definitely exceeded my expectations. (I reported on it in the Tirol thread here).

[Dubner32]

MP,

See your comment 'prefer normal traditional clubs over FKK'. Not clear which type of club you are suggesting. Please give some suggestions or examples. Thanks, D.

[Massimo Potente]

Was there around then, 1st and last time. Of course taste thing, but pretty dismal lineup, barely warm jacuzzi, all too expensive for little quality. German clubs much better.

Circolo is a good club and definitely better than many German clubs. Makes no sense at all to make that general comparision. Comparing to the very best German, Swisss or Austrian clubs, of course Circolo is not on the same level but then again, as I said multiple times, there also isn't a demand for that many FKK clubs in Austria because we really prefer normal tradional clubs over FKK. When in Innsbruck, Circolo is absolutely among the best choices that you have unless you have a private plane or helicopter at your disposal to quickly do some light late-evening-brothel-hopping across the alps or whatever.