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Agreed.

From 'submissive' I didn't mean, she will do as you say. It's more like she is less 'arrogant'.

Though I am not an expert on mongering in Kiev, and have visited Kiev and States for couple of weeks only, but I clearly enjoyed the company of Ukrainian girls more.

Could be preference though.

Glad we agree to a certain extent.

I also like the word "accommodating". Nothing describes a nice Ukrainian girl better, when without any words she guesses her man's desires and takes her own pleasure in fulfilling those.

Spectrum of attitudes is rather wide in both countries: Ukraine and US. Riina found an outlet with unspoiled fresh Ukrainian beauties in Chicago. But there are distinctive tendencies, and I myself, just as you said, "clearly enjoy the company of Ukrainian girls more".

[Tomek123]

Agreed.

From 'submissive' I didn't mean, she will do as you say. It's more like she is less 'arrogant'.

Though I am not an expert on mongering in Kiev, and have visited Kiev and States for couple of weeks only, but I clearly enjoyed the company of Ukrainian girls more.

Could be preference though.

Can you describe your feelings and impressions of Western women in a little more detail and compare these women with Ukrainian ones? My experience of communication and sex with Western women (Western Europe and the USA) is very small. My friend lived for a while in the United States and said.

That white American women did not impress him. They talk a lot. They constantly boast of their career successes. Education. Success in karate and aikido. And bla-bla-bla. It's just that our friend did not quite understand my term,submissive, I did not mean intimidation and mental slavery. I meant less arrogant behaviors. I meant less arrogant models of behavior of Ukrainian ladies. I did not mean that they are submissive. Of course this is not quite so. I meant that they are more submissive than western ladies from feminized countries. Rich countries.

[Gargano19]

Submissive Ukrainian girls? You are day-dreaming, guys!

Yes, they exist, and with rare exceptions they want money for being submissive. Their submission is usually delivered in well measured, clock-watched chunks with price tag attached. Kiss on your cheek and she is out of the door. If you played your cards smart there will be pleasant aftertaste and sweet memories.

Nothing against your preferences, but I value exactly the opposite in Ukrainian girls. For an hourly girl, or GIA-KEC employee, or a masseuse, or a lady working at haircut salon, or a student in a street, to be considered a candidate for LTR, she has to be strong and up to a degree self-sufficient. I am not talking about arrogant obnoxious sharks, far from that. I am talking about intelligent young ladies, capable of standing their ground in a deep conversation or even a civilized argument. Making love to those satisfies at a much higher level. A human being is respected, not a receptacle for sperm.

Even poor Brazilian girls are proud and know how to say "no". Winning over their short attention span is major fun.

Western women do not scare me, because I am not attracted to them and simply ignore, curtailing any chance for interaction.

There is a huge difference between submissive and feminine. IMO the latter is the major distinction between Ukrainian and Western. Just like there is a distinction between being feminine and feminist.

Agreed.

From 'submissive' I didn't mean, she will do as you say. It's more like she is less 'arrogant'.

Though I am not an expert on mongering in Kiev, and have visited Kiev and States for couple of weeks only, but I clearly enjoyed the company of Ukrainian girls more.

Could be preference though.

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Ukraine has these slim girls every where. I do not know about babes from entire Slavic rejoin but Ukraine is disappointing in terms of boob size. I saw on internet that the biggest boobs are in USA...

Breasts are made up of supportive tissue, milk glands and ducts, and fat, and proportions of how much of each contributing category is unique to every woman. Some have more supportive tissue than fat and vice-versa. If breasts contain a decent percentage amount of fat, then that woman could see a difference in the boob size while gaining or losing weight. Family history, genetics certainly plays a role.

USA women on average have very poor eating habits, many are overweight, hence larger size.

South and Central America due to natural selection for women of larger breasts and cosmetic surgeries has a particular demographics in that respect. Girls in Rio de Janeiro are not exactly slim. Good size "bunda" is highly praised.

Young Kiev ladies definitely watch what they eat. Slim, hence less fatty tissue, therefore smaller size. This is not to say that there aren't any country girls in Ukraine, that are more than well endowed. In December 2018 I have personally test driven one such 25 years old lady that arrived on the train 3 hours away from Kiev. She has DD size and is proud of it.

[DramaFree11]

Ukraine has these slim girls every where. I do not know about babes from entire Slavic rejoin but Ukraine is disappointing in terms of boob size. I saw on internet that the biggest boobs are in USA, then Canada. After that, Poland comes in the list, I do not know how it comes in the list but Poland is neighbor of Ukraine.

1. Colombia.

2. Mexico.

3. Brazil.

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...I am able to get great sex, mind-blowing sex, perhaps not from supermodels, but from very beautiful girls and women, and at a reasonable price. Of course, we all have minimum standards, but after those standards are met, the quality of the sex is more important than getting the best looking girl. The problem is that you never know how good the sex is going to be until after it is too late. Sex with a girl lies there and complains is not good, whether she is a supermodel or not.

Immensely wise words!

As subjective as it is, sex with the girl can also be rated on a multi-parameter scale. Jymondor had flawlessly structured reports in the past. I have my own system with no less than 12 performance indicators grading random visitors and GFs. I could introduce even more, but ultimately anywhere from 1 to 3 is good to start with. And then once in a while I have an experience with a girl, that Stevie describes here as "mind-blowing". For a certain reason those happen more frequently on the last night before the departure. Ukrainian ladies somehow feel it, even if I do not reveal. Then it takes a week or so to recover afterwards, and there's a strong urge to return to Kiev immediately.

Certainly there are minimum standards, and when those are exceeded, no doubt the miracle of love-making is amplified multi-fold. And yet, to expand on what Stevie has said above, being simply an awesome looking is never enough for a true lady to make a long lasting impression. As has been quoted million times: "Personality goes a long way".

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It's not just, Nordic country and Ukraine. Any place where girls will be submissive, guys will feel better.

Submissive Ukrainian girls? You are day-dreaming, guys!

Yes, they exist, and with rare exceptions they want money for being submissive. Their submission is usually delivered in well measured, clock-watched chunks with price tag attached. Kiss on your cheek and she is out of the door. If you played your cards smart there will be pleasant aftertaste and sweet memories.

Nothing against your preferences, but I value exactly the opposite in Ukrainian girls. For an hourly girl, or GIA-KEC employee, or a masseuse, or a lady working at haircut salon, or a student in a street, to be considered a candidate for LTR, she has to be strong and up to a degree self-sufficient. I am not talking about arrogant obnoxious sharks, far from that. I am talking about intelligent young ladies, capable of standing their ground in a deep conversation or even a civilized argument. Making love to those satisfies at a much higher level. A human being is respected, not a receptacle for sperm.

Even poor Brazilian girls are proud and know how to say "no". Winning over their short attention span is major fun.

Western women do not scare me, because I am not attracted to them and simply ignore, curtailing any chance for interaction.

There is a huge difference between submissive and feminine. IMO the latter is the major distinction between Ukrainian and Western. Just like there is a distinction between being feminine and feminist.

[Visal]

Ukraine has these slim girls every where. I do not know about babes from entire Slavic rejoin but Ukraine is disappointing in terms of boob size. I saw on internet that the biggest boobs are in USA, then Canada. After that, Poland comes in the list, I do not know how it comes in the list but Poland is neighbor of Ukraine.

[Gargano19]

Steve is right. In any case, you will get higher quality women than at home in Denmark or Norway or the USA. Europe and the USA are extremely pragmatic cultures. There is a very low status of a man in family and society. He has long been humiliated. Several generations of arrogant, arrogant, self-confident women have grown up. A man often does not feel the same feelings with a western woman as during sex with a Ukrainian lady. One my friend, a German, confessed to me about it. Tomek, the impression is that you fuck not a woman but something strong equal to you. . It's like having sex with a guy. When I see the ass of a young Ukrainian woman, I feel the strength of a male. I feel her humility. It excites. I feel like a man. Why so. The western woman has lost the ability to be submissive. She earns as a man. She can tell a man any insult. She is protected by law.

And female submission is something that includes the mechanism of male arousal and makes an orgasm so strong. Because it is inherent in us from nature. And this is the main drama of the Western world. Western men travel to Mexico or Slavic countries not only because women are poor there. They go because the submissive Russian or Ukrainian white female ass and pink pussy give them a sense of sharpness and wild male power. Sense of complete domination. These women are weaker and more feminine than in the west.

Some photos hot UA chicks.

It's been a while that I have rrad such a spot-on post. Is there a Kiev Distinction thread?

It's not just, Nordic country and Ukraine. Any place where girls will be submissive, guys will feel better.

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Memoirs of an aged monger-the final day.

Day 7.

Final day if my adventure-I will go for a straight Thai massage at the Elephant, drink more water, go to the gym, go home and behave myself now I suppose-let's see.

However, later, still unable to beat down the erection following the PT141 I finished off the last 50 MG of Viagra just in case I give way to an urge. And it did indeed come to pass and I rang Dreams. A lovely little 18 year old was round in twenty minutes and we struggled together to quieten the beast. The usual stumbling attempt to communicate, a nice classic massage after mopping up but no kissing or other personal intrusions. At least the morning wasn't wasted. Now home to sit in the car gazing at the flat sea and listening to the cries of the gulls, a tartan rug spread over my knees sipping a plastic mug of hot tomato soup from my trusty Thermos.

Are you going to find a real publisher for your work of art? What a classy writing style!

[Limarian]

Memoirs of an aged monger-the final day.

Day 7.

Final day if my adventure-I will go for a straight Thai massage at the Elephant, drink more water, go to the gym, go home and behave myself now I suppose-let's see.

However, later, still unable to beat down the erection following the PT141 I finished off the last 50 MG of Viagra just in case I give way to an urge. And it did indeed come to pass and I rang Dreams. A lovely little 18 year old was round in twenty minutes and we struggled together to quieten the beast. The usual stumbling attempt to communicate, a nice classic massage after mopping up but no kissing or other personal intrusions. At least the morning wasn't wasted. Now home to sit in the car gazing at the flat sea and listening to the cries of the gulls, a tartan rug spread over my knees sipping a plastic mug of hot tomato soup from my trusty Thermos.

[Limarian]

Day 6.

Chill out day-went for a swim at Premier Palace but at $60 gave that a miss and settled for a coffee in the cigar lounge. Cold horrible rainy day. Complete contrast to when I arrived. I think my sex beast is slowly awakening after the pleasant despunking last night but I am working on keeping out of trouble for the moment. I will wait 'till I can't wait no more. Mocco for an evening of quality eating to make up for the rotton pizza last night which I consumed in it's vast garlicky entirety.

Mocco isn't what it used to be-full of partying drunk thugs upstairs and screaming babies downstairs and me on my own like Mr Bean at his birthday party. Delicious fruit tea and a tough steak tenderloin-but London prices. Top quality embassy cocktail party class women here, immaculately dressed and completely unattainable-even the waitresses. What a country this could be if it ever gets itself sorted.

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Sorry I am replying so late, it is because I read it so late. I have an advice for your limp dick, LOL. I had this same issue at the end of my 2 weeks trip. I noticed this happened to me again at the end of my second trip too. This was because I had done no exercises, had not been out in the sun for much time. In my country I get lot of sunshine and some exercise too. This keeps my dick good and makes it perform good.

Hope this helps you.

Also let me know guys if there is some place where we can have buffet food. The same like we get in a free breakfast in a hotel. I do not stay in hotel, I stay in a rented apartment always, and I miss a lot of variety of food, so asking.

Yeah, good advice. Lots of walking or even better swimming, keep your butt and prostate warm, hot bath or shower, and combined with enough sleep, no alcohol, and no caffeine (coffee, or tea, or coca-cola and such) definitely helps.

I did have limp dick more than once, usually after having too many girls or drinks. One late night I called my favorite agency, explained that I am in no shape to excel but a horny mentally, asked for a girl that would perform a "dance minuet". That is my code word for oral. They understood, and told me "price would be the same". The girl arrived with much better than average makeup and lovely hair, and visibly eager to please. Except after 5-10 minutes of her magic, I put the beauty in a doggie position and took over the initiative. She was surprised but didn't object.

I had another occasion, again after drinking excessively I realized that no matter how much I like this hot girl, I cannot even start. That was a complete disaster, and I was seriously disappointed. She understood, we discussed it briefly, and she offered to take a shower together. Next day I was searching for her, and after classes were over she arrived. I deliberately abstained from consuming adult beverages, and we had great time together, laughing, chatting, and making love.

For variety of affordable buffet-like food I go to Puzata Hata. Google it. Downtown has at least 4 locations. Open 8 am-11 pm. I like it a lot, regularly take my dates there. It is very cheap, and at least one of my GFs objects, saying she wants blintzes with red caviar. Student girls go there too, and I never approached anybody, but lots of eye candy. Otherwise lots of different places all over. For example Volodymyrska 42, between Subway and Golden Gates historical monument there's a good place, forgot the name though. Point at what you like, and eat it. Soups, salads, main course, all kinds of delicious things. Kiev has variety of great food.

[Visal]

Memoirs of aged Monger. The final days in Kiev.

Day Two.

After my last 2016 visit Kiev has changed enormously-coffee places and restaurants everywhere, change bureaux, posh cars and posh shops. Many more people around. My luxury eatery Mocco has trebled its' prices. Taxis and full English type breakfast for 3 are still wonderful however-it's still an exciting destination, the UK is so cramped and congested.

After yesterday's semi-failure I wake at 3 am with a splitting headache and slitty Viagra eyes but after a shower I persuaded myself that all I needed was a bit of drug free intimacy to relax me so inevitably, despite my retirement plan I ordered a massage from Mouilin Rouge for 1500 plus 100 taxi. Again, deep fingering or kissing of this pleasant rather blousy blond were off the menu and the antiseptic spray she put on my hands (this is new!) was part of a depressing rigmarole..

Sorry I am replying so late, it is because I read it so late. I have an advice for your limp dick, LOL. I had this same issue at the end of my 2 weeks trip. I noticed this happened to me again at the end of my second trip too. This was because I had done no exercises, had not been out in the sun for much time. In my country I get lot of sunshine and some exercise too. This keeps my dick good and makes it perform good.

Hope this helps you.

Also let me know guys if there is some place where we can have buffet food. The same like we get in a free breakfast in a hotel. I do not stay in hotel, I stay in a rented apartment always, and I miss a lot of variety of food, so asking.

[Visal]

Day three.

I have to put an end to these rodding excursions, come to terms with no more sex recreation, just the occasional W to keep the ever restless lbido happy. On my gravestone shall be writ no doubt 'he wanked himself to death'.

A proper Thai massage in the afternoon at Blue Elephant pretty good, completely straight and left more supple walked around eating nice food at nice places but it seems anywhere in the centre is now getting away with charging western size prices. You know, 260 uah for a small salad kind of prices. Uber is a real Godsend with smart phone tracking however and rides are dirt cheap although usually in something with cracked windscreen and worn out suspension. I went to Red Lion on Kreschatic in the evening ridiculous cards left on each table give a menu of prices like 300 for a lap dance and prices for topless drinks served by the manager etc. but talking to the girls you find each two song mini lap dance is just 100 uah and the take out is 200 dollars for a couple of hours. Just three dancers when I went at 10.30. Two absolute goddesses, and one pretty drunk girl. All very desirable, strong flawless bodies climbing up the pole, stripping off the bikini top and coming over to crawl all over me, brief touching of bits and pieces allowed but you have to go for a private dance out the back for more. From past experience this includes opening my shirt and more rubbing and breathing in my ear and sitting on my lap and generally grinding and gyrating. Nowadays this just feels like a medical examination gone seriously mad and because of my medical experience. Instead of feeling engaged, involved and excited I can't help thinking about a variety of lower abdominal medical conditions and the stages of female organic development. I guess it's over but the flame still flickers dimly. What does the future hold for me benevolent granddaddy or dirty old git?

Red Lion only asks 100 UAH for lap dance? Wow. Scarlette and Rio ask for 600 now. Anyone else has experiences of other clubs or Red Lion? I am bored of visiting Scarlette every time now.