German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Mongerer88]

Depends on how strict the judge would be. But basically yes.

Those of us that do this in a lot of different locales see a bit of everything.

Certainly, there are independent ladies who clearly use their own apartment. They are usually in the higher price range, and perhaps they feel that weeds out the lowlifes and the stalkers.

But there is also a huge shared trick pad scene in the world.

Several ladies share an apartment that is mostly used to turn tricks. Each of them stores some of their clothes at the apartment and there are plenty of normal looking closets and dressers, but if you watch closely, the ladies pull towels and sheets out of many of those dresser drawers during the shower and preparation part of the session. And the refrigerator is stocked with lots of bottled water and soda. I have been in several such apartments in Spain and in the USA.

Not sure there is necessarily a pimp involved. No reason that several entrepreneurial ladies can't share a facility. And of course, if a landlord stops in they want to make it look like a regular apartment. Often if a guy is a new customer, he will notice that she has her head poked out of the door as he first approaches and often avoids having him knock on the door. Nosy neighbors are the enemy.

So I think it is a mistake to always assume the sex worker always lives in the apartment full time, no matter how domestic the place looks during the session.

[Takedown]

Again with the teapoon: in most countries in Europe, renting is more common than owning a flat or an apartment. So weather or not you rent through airbnb, or some other means of acquiring a place to sleep, it changes nothing. You still rent. And we still call it their own room. Because they rent it.

Apparently far from true as home ownership rates in Europe is quoted as 69%.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ate-in-europe/

In fact, every EU country listed here had a greater than 50% ownership rate:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ownership_rate

[Pistons]

So if I am a landlord and I rent a flat to two girls for whom I have no idea what they do at night I am a pimp and it is illegal?

Depends on how strict the judge would be. But basically yes.

[Riina]

I know it's all an illusion dude, and one that I like! That's why you're never going to see a guy like me trying to "date" or even God forbid marry a tute! I'm there to engage in consensual sexual behavior based on open, transparent, and fair interactions and transactions with women whom I find to be physically attractive. And that's it!

Spot on Cane.

[Pistons]

FWIW in the US it varies by location and style..

You can keep your prejudices to yourself.

Regarding the second part: The risk of stalkers, is a sales point of any pimp out there, and thus pimps and stalkers are the main argument for legalizing brothels. But in most European countries, brothels are illegal. Maybe you might want to look at a map of various prostitution laws across Europe also.

[Pistons]

I mentioned I thought it odd that in London sexworkers risk seeing clients in their own home rather than getting a place for their work..

Again with the teapoon: in most countries in Europe, renting is more common than owning a flat or an apartment. So weather or not you rent through airbnb, or some other means of acquiring a place to sleep, it changes nothing. You still rent. And we still call it their own room. Because they rent it.

[Mr Ho]

Sorry posted this in the Frankfurt section but its better here I guess.

How will the FKKs be during orthodox Easter? Specifically in Frankfurt.

Are they open? Will the girls all fly back home or still decent action?

Thanks.

Some religious ones tend to go home like Romanians and some Bulgarians, they are mostly orthodox.

FKK is open, even on new year and Christmas too because lust never sleep even on Sunday LOL!

Tantra is the way to go for monger.

[The Cane]

With all due respect, as you said "playfully", I think she was joking and not serious. Even if she is serious, this would still boil down to an hourly rate of FKK WGs after the calculation of the value of your watch. Did this incident make you feel good? I guess so. That is why I said it is an illusion. There is no substance in it.

And with equal due respect, I intentionally used "playfully" to make it known that I knew she was joking. But with that said, the central point is not lost. A working girl noticed the watch on my wrist and used that to start a conversation that could lead to some business for her. I doubt that she would have said anything to me had she not seen the watch. And since we were both joking around, do you think that anybody was concerned about making calculations based on the hourly rate and the value of my watch? Speaking of joking, you're being way to serious! And I don't know about you, but yes I go to the FKKs to feel good, not bad LOL! I know it's all an illusion dude, and one that I like! That's why you're never going to see a guy like me trying to "date" or even God forbid marry a tute! I'm there to engage in consensual sexual behavior based on open, transparent, and fair interactions and transactions with women whom I find to be physically attractive. And that's it!

[Bfsie]

That said women, working girls or not, are always sizing men up to determine how well off they are. If a guy can afford a Rolex watch, drives a nice car, wears good clothes, and has his own place in a desirable neighborhood, then her conclusion is going to be that he has some money to spend on her. In fact for some women, I guess we call them "gold diggers", the very fact that a man has means makes him "doable".

Maybe I didn't explain it very clearly in my post. What I meant was that wearing a Rolex watch doesn't impress WGs to do any sex act which she normally doesn't do to any monger. For example, if a WG doesn't do anal, she will still not do anal to a monger wearing a Rolex watch. If a WG doesn't do certain sex act, she will still not do that sex act to a monger wearing a Rolex. This applies to WG's service too from my experience and WGs don't give a monger better service just because he wears a Rolex watch.

But wearing a Rolex can make a difference in terms of impressing a girl in real life. For example, because a guy wears a Rolex watch, a normal girl in real life can start to date him, otherwise she wouldn't start to date him if he didn't wear a Rolex. So Rolex watch can be a deal breaker to start a romantic relationship in real life.

I recall this Romanian tute from several years ago who was sitting next to me at World. She saw my watch and playfully said that she would fuck me for free for a month in exchange for my watch. Well of course, I wasn't interested in any such arrangement (I guess some guys are since a couple of girls over the years have shown me expensive watches tricks have given to them), but I playfully answered her hell no, and that she would have to fuck for free for an entire year to get that watch LOL!

With all due respect, as you said "playfully", I think she was joking and not serious. Even if she is serious, this would still boil down to an hourly rate of FKK WGs after the calculation of the value of your watch. Did this incident make you feel good? I guess so. That is why I said it is an illusion. There is no substance in it.

[Member #4636]

Lots of girls work from airbnb flats these days. Mainly cause of the immunity and simple ways of getting around the whole pimp question. Someone letting out a flat to a prostitute for 2000-3000 euro a month is by definition pimping her. So he can end up in jail. But with airbnb he lacks the information, and it is more loose..

So if I am a landlord and I rent a flat to two girls for whom I have no idea what they do at night I am a pimp and it is illegal?

[Neurosynth]

I mentioned I thought it odd that in London sexworkers risk seeing clients in their own home rather than getting a place for their work.

Nothing odd about it. It is like that in all of Europe. And always has been. At least since I was born. The only odd thing here is your subjective pov.

Lots of girls work from airbnb flats these days. . . ..

Pistons, I'll let you argue this out with yourself.

Meanwhile cheers to Steve 9696 for the details.

FWIW in the US it varies by location and style. What are called "hobby [Deleted by Admin] in Germany will sometimes in the US work out of their own place because their appointments are infrequent. And their work habits are less than professional. (That can add a certain frisson.) High-end independents may do this, also because they have fewer dates, and they imagine high-end clients to be less of a threat. (That can be a dangerous assumption.).

But generally full-timers in the US will have some other place. The risk of stalkers is too great to ignore.

Steve 9696's post would seem to indicate security risks are not as great, or are considered not as great, overseas.

[BoomBoomBoom]

Sorry posted this in the Frankfurt section but its better here I guess.

How will the FKKs be during orthodox Easter? Specifically in Frankfurt.

Are they open? Will the girls all fly back home or still decent action?

Thanks.

[Pistons]

Lots of girls work from airbnb flats these days. Mainly cause of the immunity and simple ways of getting around the whole pimp question. Someone letting out a flat to a prostitute for 2000-3000 euro a month is by definition pimping her. So he can end up in jail. But with airbnb he lacks the information, and it is more loose.

Aside from that, it is perfectly normal all over Europe. I had no idea you Americans see this as strange or odd.

[The Cane]

With regards to Rolex watch, it is a misconception or in a less diplomatic word an illusion of the mongers with Rolex that having Rolex watch can somehow impress the WGs. The circumstance in FKK clubs and other sex places is not the circumstance of normal real-life dating in which the girls have potential to get certain percentage of the men's financial assets. The WGs know that they are paid an hourly rate, not certain percentage of a monger's asset, and how much they can get from a monger almost entirely depends on how much the monger likes them and therefore how many total hours he would spend with them, not on the monger's wealth.

That said women, working girls or not, are always sizing men up to determine how well off they are. If a guy can afford a Rolex watch, drives a nice car, wears good clothes, and has his own place in a desirable neighborhood, then her conclusion is going to be that he has some money to spend on her. In fact for some women, I guess we call them "gold diggers", the very fact that a man has means makes him "doable".

I recall this Romanian tute from several years ago who was sitting next to me at World. She saw my watch and playfully said that she would fuck me for free for a month in exchange for my watch. Well of course, I wasn't interested in any such arrangement (I guess some guys are since a couple of girls over the years have shown me expensive watches tricks have given to them), but I playfully answered her hell no, and that she would have to fuck for free for an entire year to get that watch LOL!

[Steve 9696]

Not to be argumentative, and you obviously have more London experience than I with in-call (I've done walkups and Phoenix but no in-call). But . . . .

Are you saying these women take customers where they actually live? I know rent in London is expensive, but the security ramifications of doing that are serious. I would assume that any reasonable sex worker is going to avoid taking customers at home.

Or maybe you mean they have a place for business, and while working a streak they might stay there overnight, but they also have a home (apartment etc.) elsewhere?

I just find this odd.

Thanks!

This is my experience with Diva and Admiral girls. It is absolutely her place. I didn't believe it at first either.

My first incall ever was with Stefan via Admiral (Heidi on Diva). At her place I noticed a picture of a little girl. And she had some stuffed animals behind the curtains. But I thought surely this wasn't her real flat. But who would go to the trouble of staging this way? Still I left thinking maybe that is all part of the act.

Second incall was with Fiona. I fell in love the first night and booked her for a four hour dinner date later in the week. I arranged it to be in room time, then dinner, then back to the room. To dress for dinner she asks me what I like and I say a little black dress. So I am sitting on her bed and she is two feet away getting an LBD from her closet. Then she gets out two pairs of fuck-me heels and lets me choose my favorite. Now that is personal.

More recently I came home late with a girl and met her two flat mates. One in the kitchen and one in her bed watching Netflix in a wife beater T-shirt! Both are WGs I recognize from the website.

Over the years I've chatted with the girls about rent and it is very high. Very modest and slightly dumpy flats are 2000 - 3000 £ a month. But it's part of the expense and lifestyle. A good girl even in the low price range is probably making 500 £/ day. The old rule of thumb was pay no more than a weeks gross income (and most people exceed that) and this is all net. I am sure quite a few girls struggle — Diva adds at least one new girl a day. But if I are successful the rent is no problem — just the cost of doing business.

Anyhow back to the original thread — yes 100% positive these are their real living quarters and it feels very personal. I appreciate they would share not only time but space with me.