German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Steve 9696]

I've been looking at Diva and some of the girls really look stunning. It's easy to see professional photographers have been at work. Some of the selfies still show quite beautiful girls.

However, my question is on anonymity because I don't want my phone number etc leaked. Can these be trusted? I'm tempted.

These agencies are super discrete, but having some thread on your phone seems super dangerous if you have an SA. It would be hard to book without a burner phone. You book usually via text chat and then the day of the event they text you her address. Not quite sure how this would all work without text? I guess you could email and use incognito mode. But you definitely need to get her exact location morning of the date. Yes.

[Steve 9696]

I don't doubt that you had better luck and experiences than I did in London, but it would be much more useful to know what your methodology is.

I visit London 3 or 4 times a year and do not always monger on every visit because my trips to London tend to be more business oriented while I take time off to visit Germany focused more towards mongering. As such, I probably do 5 or 6 escort sessions in London per year, tops. Which basically means I scan the few agency sites I am familiar with, and arrange a meeting based on a few reviews and past experiences. And I have neither found prices in the sub 150 range you mentioned, nor the pictures listed at those prices attractive to me. I also do not like big fake fitted, big butt, MILFy looking women. I tend to like smaller, model type, young and fresh girls with medium natural tits.

I read your prior posts, at least in this thread in the last few days. What would be useful (for me) is not description of specific sessions (which were very well written, BTW) but how do you focus on specific agencies and girls? There are literally so many of them. How do you avoid the bad apples?

I think reviews of specific girls are more useful in a thread like Palace and Oase because we know the club and want to know what each girl is like. When it comes to something like London escorts in a FKK lounge thread I would prefer to know how you go about doing your search and boil it down to a few girls.

Thanks.

First, I hope it is obvious from my broad posting history, but I have no affiliation with Diva or any other agency. I am just a die hard working girl enthusiast, with a penchant for quality research. So here is the scoop.

I used to think London sucked because I'the only been to ripoff strip clubs. Then I spent literally 3 months researching it before I struck gold. There is a website that literally lists hundreds of agencies. I visited every link with 20 or more girls. I found ones that had real reviews and consulted ********* for best agencies. I finally narrowed it down to Admiral, Peachy, Diva and Babylon girls. Oh and I was not interested in high end agencies. Figured I could work my way up but never had to.

These agencies all carry pretty much the same girls. My first experience was with Admiral and it was good. For some reason the second time I used Diva. Since then I've always used Diva because:

They post even bad reviews.

They clearly list all girls services.

They make it easy to find best reviewed girls.

They make it easy to find new girls.

Their chat is responsive and accurate.

The girls say they like Diva best.

To be clear I am sure any of the above are fine, but you will find browsing easiest on Diva even if you book with someone else.

So here is what you do. If you like browsing then go to the main gallery and browse them all (hundreds). If you want a shorter list choose thebReccomended Girls filter. Still a ton. Find one you like and click into her. Review her photos. Selfies if they have them are always last so make sure to get to the end. Every girl I've ever had loooked BETTER than their selfies. If they don't have a selfie but you are interested then text Diva and they will send if girl allows.

Important review services carefully. Does not list FK or DFK then that is for sure true. DFK listed means at discretion but I've only been snubbed once. Lists upcharge for CIM. Not listed? No CIM.

More important read the reviews. They are waaaaaay down at the bottom. You have to scroll through a billion other girls you might like but way at the btttom of her page are her reviews. None? Get out of there fast!

I look for at least 5 good reviews and will only tolerate a negative review if its one in twenty or so clearly just a troll. And make sure they are recent and don't go back too far. A girl under a year is best. Two years is ok. Get careful when they go back much farther.

A few other tips coming. Got to go.

[McAdonis]

Basically near the equator and poles people are taller than at 45 degree latitude. Is that just pure coincidence?

Ex-Yugoslavian countries are at 45 degrees latitude. They are the tallest people in the world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ight_worldwide

[Ararat]

I am sorry but anyone who pays more than 150 or 200 in London Or has a mediocre experience is simply doing it wrong. There is absolutely no need to pay more. Best BBBJ ever. Rivetta Diva London 180 including CIM. Prettiest girl I've ever been with Fortune Diva London 150 . Best tits on planet earth Kendall Diva London 200 . Really you do not need to spend more. I've been everywhere (see my posts) and London is right at the top of the list.

Oh and the part about older girls again looking in the wrong place. TONS of 18-22 year olds with more added daily. You could easily have a twenty year old every night of the week. Fortune, Perry, Brinley, the list is extensive. Oh and none of the girls Ive mentioned have tit jobs. It is listed clearly on the site and I just skip past any enhanced (ha what a misnomer!) girls.

I've been looking at Diva and some of the girls really look stunning. It's easy to see professional photographers have been at work. Some of the selfies still show quite beautiful girls.

However, my question is on anonymity because I don't want my phone number etc leaked. Can these be trusted? I'm tempted.

[Pessimist]

I agree with Pessimist in principle although Steve's view has its merit. In principle and generally speaking, the more WGs need to go out alone (like escort) to do their business, the older, more professional and mechanical and lousier in services in general WGs are, because it takes a lot of guts, bravery, toughness and experience to do that (like escort) for a woman, which is not easy for any young, inexperienced and nice girl. Sirioja's experience (in post #13832) pretty much sums it up accurately. So my suggestion is that if a monger looks for WG's service and intimacy or something which they are a part of, he should better stick to in-call establishments like brothels, FKK clubs and so on..

I am not disagreeing with Steve. I narrated my experiences and he has done the same on his side. It would certainly seem that he has either better skill or luck or both in his girl picks in London. So, I am curious to know what his secret is in this matter and how he goes about picking agencies and escorts. He mentioned Diva. Perhaps that is the answer. I have tried a few agencies on my own and the experiences varied with some being better than others. I tried Diva a couple of times in the past but can't say that my experiences were so uniformly positive as Steve has been able to obtain. Could be just my luck.

But as I said, even a very perfunctory search in London will bring up dozens of agencies and hundreds of girls. This is one of the first things I do when I travel to any city, being the perverted monger I am, LOL. Way back when, before internet, when I checked into a hotel in a new city the first thing I did was check the yellow pages and any other local tabloids for strip clubs and escort listings; nowadays it is a simple Google search for local hookers. The trouble is always about weeding out the bad ones and finding the few good ones. Not easy when you are a visitor and tourist in a place.

As for the 2nd topic, yes I agree that if the local demand for prostitution declines precipitously as in your analogy to the restaurant business in a town, it can have a detrimental impact on the number of clubs. I am simply unaware that it actually happened in Germany. It is still a stable to vibrant economy and sits in the middle of Europe with easy access to many men. However, you guys with more local knowledge than me know more on this topic.

[Sirioja]

They are very few, but can sometimes find in FKK land, before at YY NL, Villa Vertigo was also a good place for part timer, where I started with a German model escorting, we started on 50€/30 mn rate with 2 hours discovery, then in hotel and apartment I always gave her same rate, most often 300 for 4/5 hours, we chatted for a small hour, then 2h30/3 h of sporty love in bed, then about 1 hour recovering when she sent messages to her management to cancel other appointments and saying: I don t want to work after You. My highest potential for sex ever, just asking: love me. Even out of Globe, got about 10 weekly Romanian favs who were on my Russian escorts level, for 100/ h, never speaking about money, no upselling, no tip, just weekly hours.

[Bfsie]

I agree with Pessimist in principle although Steve's view has its merit. In principle and generally speaking, the more WGs need to go out alone (like escort) to do their business, the older, more professional and mechanical and lousier in services in general WGs are, because it takes a lot of guts, bravery, toughness and experience to do that (like escort) for a woman, which is not easy for any young, inexperienced and nice girl. Sirioja's experience (in post #13832) pretty much sums it up accurately. So my suggestion is that if a monger looks for WG's service and intimacy or something which they are a part of, he should better stick to in-call establishments like brothels, FKK clubs and so on.

But, by the way, Pessimist, I thought Pistons and other members would response to you, but they didn't. I think that your emphasized view in several of your previous posts that businesses and companies close all the time and new companies are born is not very well suitable for total number of FKK clubs in NRW and the interest of mongers although it is correct in theory. I give you an example: let's say two years age a rural town had population of 100,000 and 10 restaurants, and for some reason the population is declining to 60,000 now, so obviously the town population can not support 10 profitable restaurants now and the number of restaurants has to be reduced so that each remaining restaurants will still be profitable. Some new entrepreneurs would try to maintain 10 restaurants in town, but the big picture is that the town will eventually end up only having 6 or 7 restaurants because no one wants to keep doing money-losing business. Current FKK situation in NRW is like that. Some guys will take over the failed clubs, but at the end of the days total number of FKK clubs in NRW will be reduced eventually if current circumstance of sex industry in NRW persists.

[Pessimist]

I am sorry but anyone who pays more than 150 or 200 in London Or has a mediocre experience is simply doing it wrong. There is absolutely no need to pay more. Best BBBJ ever. Rivetta Diva London 180 including CIM. Prettiest girl I've ever been with Fortune Diva London 150 . Best tits on planet earth Kendall Diva London 200 . Really you do not need to spend more. I've been everywhere (see my posts) and London is right at the top of the list.

Oh and the part about older girls again looking in the wrong place. TONS of 18-22 year olds with more added daily. You could easily have a twenty year old every night of the week. Fortune, Perry, Brinley, the list is extensive. Oh and none of the girls Ive mentioned have tit jobs. It is listed clearly on the site and I just skip past any enhanced (ha what a misnomer!) girls.

I don't doubt that you had better luck and experiences than I did in London, but it would be much more useful to know what your methodology is.

I visit London 3 or 4 times a year and do not always monger on every visit because my trips to London tend to be more business oriented while I take time off to visit Germany focused more towards mongering. As such, I probably do 5 or 6 escort sessions in London per year, tops. Which basically means I scan the few agency sites I am familiar with, and arrange a meeting based on a few reviews and past experiences. And I have neither found prices in the sub 150 range you mentioned, nor the pictures listed at those prices attractive to me. I also do not like big fake fitted, big butt, MILFy looking women. I tend to like smaller, model type, young and fresh girls with medium natural tits.

I read your prior posts, at least in this thread in the last few days. What would be useful (for me) is not description of specific sessions (which were very well written, BTW) but how do you focus on specific agencies and girls? There are literally so many of them. How do you avoid the bad apples?

I think reviews of specific girls are more useful in a thread like Palace and Oase because we know the club and want to know what each girl is like. When it comes to something like London escorts in a FKK lounge thread I would prefer to know how you go about doing your search and boil it down to a few girls.

Thanks.

[Steve 9696]

I am not a London specialist but have used a few agencies like Euro Angels, Dior, Pure Pleasure and Diva during my travels to London. I have had mixed luck as it has been with all my escort experiences. First time with a girl is always a hit or miss. I prefer repeats for that reason but it is not always possible given that I am not a London resident. Prices can vary substantially and I have paid as much as 350 pounds per hour although also paid 200 a few times. Escorts tend to be older in my experience and tough to fund truly 19 to 20 or even 21 year olds that I prefer. Photoshopping is always an issue. Reviews do help however.

Fkks are a different animal. There are very few 9's and 10's in terms of facial beauty. But there is no deception or bait and switch because you can see the girl buck naked. Prices can't be beat. Most importantly, if you are wrong about a specific girl no sweat, cut your loss short in half hour, shower and back in the business to choose another or another or one more from a hundred girls. I have not paid personally the 500 to 800 that some London escorts demand per hour. For that amount, you can fuck 6 girls in FKK.

Also, I see fewer number of tit jobs in FKKs. Romanian girls are somewhat petite and small chested on average which suits me.

That said, London is one of the better places for escort usage. Quality is generally high but so are the prices.

I am sorry but anyone who pays more than 150 or 200 in London Or has a mediocre experience is simply doing it wrong. There is absolutely no need to pay more. Best BBBJ ever. Rivetta Diva London 180 including CIM. Prettiest girl I've ever been with Fortune Diva London 150 . Best tits on planet earth Kendall Diva London 200 . Really you do not need to spend more. I've been everywhere (see my posts) and London is right at the top of the list.

Oh and the part about older girls again looking in the wrong place. TONS of 18-22 year olds with more added daily. You could easily have a twenty year old every night of the week. Fortune, Perry, Brinley, the list is extensive. Oh and none of the girls I’ve mentioned have tit jobs. It is listed clearly on the site and I just skip past any “enhanced” (ha what a misnomer!) girls.

[Pessimist]

I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.

I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.

Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes..

I am not a London specialist but have used a few agencies like Euro Angels, Dior, Pure Pleasure and Diva during my travels to London. I have had mixed luck as it has been with all my escort experiences. First time with a girl is always a hit or miss. I prefer repeats for that reason but it is not always possible given that I am not a London resident. Prices can vary substantially and I have paid as much as 350 pounds per hour although also paid 200 a few times. Escorts tend to be older in my experience and tough to fund truly 19 to 20 or even 21 year olds that I prefer. Photoshopping is always an issue. Reviews do help however.

Fkks are a different animal. There are very few 9's and 10's in terms of facial beauty. But there is no deception or bait and switch because you can see the girl buck naked. Prices can't be beat. Most importantly, if you are wrong about a specific girl no sweat, cut your loss short in half hour, shower and back in the business to choose another or another or one more from a hundred girls. I have not paid personally the 500 to 800 that some London escorts demand per hour. For that amount, you can fuck 6 girls in FKK.

Also, I see fewer number of tit jobs in FKKs. Romanian girls are somewhat petite and small chested on average which suits me.

That said, London is one of the better places for escort usage. Quality is generally high but so are the prices.

[Sirioja]

I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.

I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.

Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes.

Thanks in advance.

PK.

If the girls are generally as good looking at FKK as they are compared to the London escort scene, it will help with my expectations.

Met some Polish escorts in Paris for 250 €/ h who did escort in London before for 300 pounds, they were not really high level for me, lack of GFE and sensuality. Tried 2 UK woman, one was reddish hair with milky skin becoming red under sun in Spain, in real life when I was on holidays, they were surprised by so many and long foreplay they never experienced in their UK life, UK don t seem to be very high level in bed, if You want really high level, go to Globe Zurich with German Joana, Romanian Kate. Some pretty Romanians are my best GF in bed and they can compete with Russian escorts in Paris, are higher level GF than Germans or Polish, highest level girls usually don't upsell and want to please You to make You return, for their business, for 100/ h rate. Sharks may not be a exceptional casting, at least for my eyes.

[Takedown]

It's the Bergmann's rule.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergmann%27s_rule

Suggesting that people are taller at the equator and the poles is obviously ludicrous and unfounded. Inuits who live at the poles are short. South Americans and southeast Asians are short. Only some tribes in Africa boast average heights of six footers but that is the exception rather than the rule.

This looks pretty good, but I've not yet done more than just skim it.

https://is.muni.cz/el/1431/jaro2015/..._variation.pdf

It looks to me like the further north the taller. (Allowing, of course, for all the typical notions regarding variation in statistics, as well as non-genetic differences such as food supply.).

I wouldn't be surprised if evolution would shorten people in hotter climates. If you scale the human body (or any object really) up the ratio of surface area to volume decreases. So cooling increases as a power of two, but heat production will increase as a power of three.

The impact of that is that larger people transfer their total heat more slowly. In cold climates that's what you would want. In hot climates you would want the opposite; for heat to transfer more quickly, thus smaller bodies.

[Steve 9696]

I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.

I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.

Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes.

Thanks in advance.

PK.

If the girls are generally as good looking at FKK as they are compared to the London escort scene, it will help with my expectations.

I feel pretty well qualified to talk on this, having seen 8 girls in the FKK in Feb and 5 girls in London in April. Although my recent FKK was CH / AU I have done Frankfurt in the past.

The experiences couldn't be more different and are both great. First I should say that although some bash the Romanian girls I am a Ro-girl fan. All my FKK girls and all my London girls are Ro-girls so this is really apples to apples.

In performance and looks you will do well either place. If it is all about performance and looks, then London is more reliable. This is because if you use a good agency like Diva, all the girls have reviews. If you go with a girl who is well reviewed and said to look like her pics or better you are pretty much guaranteed that to be the case. In the FKK of course the optics are self explanatory being in person but the in room can be quite variable. Usually good, but just not as reliable as well reviewed London hotties.

That said, I consider the looks and performance bars to be exceeded in either locale. But what differs is the experience. FKK is the king of the world experience. Sit, enjoy a cocktail, survey the beautiful women knowing you can have any one at the flick of a finger. Wow. Nothing like it. King of the world baby.

On the other hand if you want intimate GFE that feels real, there is nothing like bringing a bottle of wine to a girls room and making out on the very bed she will sleep in later that night. It is an intimate experience to be invited into her space and share it for a few hours. And the best girls will bring the GFE right along with it.

So do yourself a favor and do both. They are both great in their own way.

Oh and put Brazil on your list if u have not been. Yet another great format (the Boate) and the girls are second to none.

[Neurosynth]

A far more interesting discussion is weather or not 'tall' is the norm for healthy people. There could be a bounce back towards shorter people after nutritional and environmental levels improved also. And then there is the height belt around the world too. Basically near the equator and poles people are taller than at 45 degree latitude. Is that just pure coincidence? Is height related to stellar radiation, ground radiation? I am certain we are mostly guessing here on several fronts. And we only have parts of the picture. As you say, mainly speculations.

This looks pretty good, but I've not yet done more than just skim it.

https://is.muni.cz/el/1431/jaro2015/..._variation.pdf

It looks to me like the further north the taller. (Allowing, of course, for all the typical notions regarding variation in statistics, as well as non-genetic differences such as food supply.).

I wouldn't be surprised if evolution would shorten people in hotter climates. If you scale the human body (or any object really) up the ratio of surface area to volume decreases. So cooling increases as a power of two, but heat production will increase as a power of three.

The impact of that is that larger people transfer their total heat more slowly. In cold climates that's what you would want. In hot climates you would want the opposite; for heat to transfer more quickly, thus smaller bodies.

[Mr Ho]

people living around don't seem to like this business.

The threat to each married house holds for wives LOL.