General Reports

[Turgid]

Went to check out KH in end-April. Not a single non-Asians in the building. Spent an hour climbing down and checking each alley.

Sad to hear, the Russian girls gave me the best service there.

[FarEastTrader]

Many inda / paki by holiday inn tst. I not like never try.

Is this in the Harry's Bar or outside? I have generally seen Indos and Blacks in Harry's Bar, Blacks outside the hotel near 7-11. But Indians / Pakis? Cannot recall seeing any WG. Or I did not realize they are guests of WG. At any given time, this Holiday Inn generally has at least 50% guest population from Indian subcontinent.

[FarEastTrader]

Hi,

What is the news re King Hing building? Still worth a visit? Still a mix of foreign and domestic workers + the Europeans?

Went to check out KH in end-April. Not a single non-Asians in the building. Spent an hour climbing down and checking each alley.

[Turgid]

Hello,

Not being too fussed about all the to and fros of trying various apps etc, I usually go to Kama Spa as an easy 'go to' place, it is central for me, offers more GFE than the cheaper more mechanical alternatives (E. G. K-Pressure. Although if you haven't been, do try it!

Visited Kama the other night, had a main lander available for HK $900 for an hour. Really decent firm massage, spent ages working out the knots after a long flight, then into the half way point, the tickling and kissing started. On the flip there was more all body kissing and stroking, before on go a flipsy piece of plastic and a BJ, followed by her mounting on top for vigorous outside rubbing action. This combined with more kissing got me over the edge, and the session was then completed with more massaging of head and shoulders.

It is pricier than what else you can get, but it is reliable and easy. I'm happy with that.

Sounds fantastic. Very pleasurable experience.

[Mr Rainman]

Hello,

Not being too fussed about all the to and fros of trying various apps etc, I usually go to Kama Spa as an easy 'go to' place, it is central for me, offers more GFE than the cheaper more mechanical alternatives (E. G. K-Pressure. Although if you haven't been, do try it!

Visited Kama the other night, had a main lander available for HK $900 for an hour. Really decent firm massage, spent ages working out the knots after a long flight, then into the half way point, the tickling and kissing started. On the flip there was more all body kissing and stroking, before on go a flipsy piece of plastic and a BJ, followed by her mounting on top for vigorous outside rubbing action. This combined with more kissing got me over the edge, and the session was then completed with more massaging of head and shoulders.

It is pricier than what else you can get, but it is reliable and easy. I'm happy with that.

[Mr Rainman]

Hi,

What is the news re King Hing building? Still worth a visit? Still a mix of foreign and domestic workers + the Europeans?

[Stephen2000]

I've gleaned some helpful info here recently, and thought I'd post a report on my experiences as a first-time visitor to HK, for other folks like me landing on these pages.

Like others have mentioned, much of the action in HK seems to be centered around walk-up brothels and incall situations. I personally prefer a good outcall, and I'm happy to pay a premium for quality, convenience and reliability. I won't entertain stupid prices, but in general price is not high on my list of concerns -- it's about the quality of the experience, as I don't do this often, and I'm picky to a fault. And "free" options like Tinder or Skout or SA just require too much time and energy.

Smooci worked. The selection is thin in HK and the girl was not as attractive as the pictures but it was the same girl and she was on time and a good sport. I'd use it again if they had better selection. Price was higher than what you hear about for the incall options in HK but far from outrageous and it's fine by me because I get what I want and it's an outcall.

Next I tried a honeygirl. For fellow noobs, a honey girl, supposedly part-time SP from outside of HK (often the mainland) who is in town for a brief period and open for business. If you click the honeygirls link on Go141 you'll see they're often hot. Are they real? Can a foreigner do this? Well, I read here that you should go for one with a video, since videos are harder to fake. I found one, texted the number and had an appointment and address to go to within minutes. Easy. Too easy.

I said I much prefer outcalls but hey, I've never been to HK before and I'm up for an adventure. If this is actually real maybe I could get into this, I thought. Got to the address and then was given a room to go to via text. It was in a regular hotel with tourists and I tried to blend in and not look like a ham sup lo. Get to the room and the girl was most definitely not the one pictured. Similar age, but yeah not even close to the one in the video on the website. I came close to leaving but I had put all this energy into this and thought I'd see where it went. Maybe not the right move. Overall experience was depressing. Mechanical, awkward service with fake moaning, more or less resulting in self loathing Not something I'd do again. Thought about texting the guy behind the scenes again to give him a piece of my mind but why bother?

Next I thought I'd try one of the escort agencies you can find with a search. The girls on Smooci are generally from local agencies so maybe it's fine. Started to try and book one and then read on here about absurd prices from them ($7000+ HKD for 1 HR). Lame. Gave up on that.

The walk-up building thing is something I considered just for the adventure but after the honeygirl experience I doubt I'd be into it. I definitely don't want to be rubbing shoulders with other dudes in the hallway, etc.

So general take on HK: not my cup of tea I guess. Great city otherwise.

[Sky Ryder]

4) There's quite a bit more pre-meeting work when punting on seekingarrangement. Emails back and forth, sending pics of yourself, getting some rejections. Some girls take a few days to even respond, and some won't respond at all. I've gotten some who will ask for a picture, and then go silent. I'm OK with that, no biggie.

With semi-pros / seekingarrangement ladies, there's no such mechanism for checks and balance. So if they flake out and don't show up, there's not much recourse for the punter.


1) Some girls out there do not have a good understanding of the "sugar" relationship. They either put out nothing essentially, and expect to be paid, some just to talk to them or even for the initial "meet and greet". Make sure to weed those out right away.


3) I am weary of 18-20 year olds. The maturity is usually not there. Of course you have to always watch out to make sure they are at least 18 years old!

4) You have to be an expert in evaluating photographs. Some end up much less attractive than their glamour shots they took 10 years ago. Some, however, have average pictures, but turn out to be very pretty in person!


7) We all like different things, but I tend to prefer college educated, or even ladies with higher education, graduate degrees. Just more in common, for me. For some of you, education level might not be a big deal.

8) When to discuss the money aspect of the arrangement. This has varied, but it has worked well both ways. Sometimes we get that agreement beforehand, even before we meet. Other times, we discuss in person only after dinner / drinks etc. When we both want to proceed with the arrangement.

9) If the sugarbaby LIKES you, you are GOLDEN For providers, almost all of them will proceed with the act and basically pretend (if they are skilled) to give you some affection and let you bang them. For the SB's who connect with you, WOW, they will be all over you, dripping wet pussy, tongue lashing, humping you like crazy in cowgirl, leg-shaking, multi-orgasmic events! It's unbelievable what can occur, and it would be highly unlikely to duplicate for professional providers, at least in my limited experience.

My earlier post was mainly directed as the HK / Asian experience with SA. You have a good handle on what goes on in the USA with SA. I actually went to one of the parties they put on in Las Vegas about 2 years ago and it was a disaster! They promoted it as a high end party with a lot of ladies that were seriously interested. In fact with the exception of about 8-10 guys the gents were at a private club they had rented at the Delano in golf shirts and Dockers. The steered the few real SB's to the tables were guys had paid a lot of money to reserve the table and had bottle service. I am sure they figured out about 48 hours before the party that it was going to be a sausage fest and sent out the word there was going to be a party with guys looking to "make a connection" and had money. There were a lot of "rental friends" in attendance that had no idea what the event was about, they were just looking to meet a client or two for a one hour romp.

The HK / Asian experience is much different to be sure and a lot less ladies involved and I am amazed at how many mainland girls put their info up and not in English. I don't know a lot of guys that are going to go across the border to meet a girl they cannot communicate with on an ongoing basis.

You are correct about college towns, Denver is teeming with Univ of Colorado gals, same for Orlando, Atlanta, etc. I suspect that most of the girls are receiving less than they tell their friends just because of the competition. I'm not very active, just because the whole purpose for me would be to meet someone to have an ongoing arrangement without all the work that goes into a full time relationship, my experience is the gals still want to be pursued and don't seem to get the dynamic, and then complain when they aren't taken seriously. I do pay them for showing up, as long as they dress and act like they are serious, even if we don't click, I think they deserve something for the effort. My success has been in the 28-35 range. They have some life experience and know how to show appreciation for being treated like a lady.

As I said, I did find a gem here in HK, but have not had the opportunity to reconnect, but need to "send up a flare soon" and see if we can enjoy another evening together.

Sky.

[JeffZeke]

Does anybody here have experience with the Sugar Babe scene in HK, such as via the Seeking Arrangement (now just Seeking) website? I hear mixed things about SA so would appreciate any first-hand tales, good or bad!

Let me offer a different perspective on sugar arrangements via the seeking website. I use to punt regularly with WG of all sorts all over the world. I've seen independent girls, agency girls, and even those working out of places like the Fuji, KH and JSL bulidings. Within the past 3-4 years, I've started seeing almost exclusively girls from the most popular sugar site, seeking. My experience has generally been positive, and some have been extraordinary, out of this world type experiences. No doubt most of these girls are amateurs, so the flakiness factor is high. But when it works and when you meet the right girl, the experience is unmatched by any WG. They are genuine, many are very sensual / sexual, and 100% GFE.

Some notable differences I can think of are as follows:

1) Price per punt: There may be some real value in seekingarrangement newbies, but I seem to come across many who are trying to overcharge. Especially saw this in NYC, where everything is inflated, but starting to creep up in different cities. The good thing about the pros is that the price is already set and predetermined. The negative is that pros tend to stay for just the allotted time (either 30 or 60 min, or whatever) and are usually clock-watching. Semi-pros tend to not pay too much attention to the time, and it's common to have drinks / dinner / lunch etc beforehand, just to get to know each other better. It's more GFE, in the sense that it's almost like a date.

2) Pros don't care if you are married, in fact, sometimes they prefer it that way, so you won't be clingy or too needy of their time. A few of the seekingarrangement profiles specifically say "NO MARRIED GUYS" The reason is maybe some self-consciousness, or sometimes they are afraid of a crazy wife coming after them.

3) BYOC. Need to bring your own condom for semi-pros, usually. I suspect some bareback is going on, since some of these semi-pros don't know the business that well, and are a bit naive. But I always insist on a cover.

4) There's quite a bit more pre-meeting work when punting on seekingarrangement. Emails back and forth, sending pics of yourself, getting some rejections. Some girls take a few days to even respond, and some won't respond at all. I've gotten some who will ask for a picture, and then go silent. I'm OK with that, no biggie.

5) The few girls I talk to all say that seekingarrangement is HUGE in the college campuses. LOTS of girls know about it, and they love meeting up with rich old guys, LOL. The sugar-baby scene is apparently quite popular, and they will introduce it to each other.

6) There are apparently some sugardaddies out there that are looking just for friendship, companionship (non-sexual), someone young and pretty to dine with, strictly platonic set-ups. This surprises me, but apparently it's out there.

7) I've done too much punting throughout these past few years, and I've become desensitized to the pros who see multiple clients a day, who are mechanical, and go through the same routine with every punter they see. In my early years, this was OK and I could still have an enjoyable time. But these days, the thought of being in line with 10-15 other punters seeing the same girl. Kinda grosses me out. That's why the seekingarrangement peaks my interest. So far so good, almost all of these ladies have been super-horny! One way to tell, they get extremely wet down there upon some nominal stimulation, DATY, FIV, etc. NO LUBE NEEDED!

8) With pros, they have a "business" so they have incentive to be on time, show up when they say they will, and generally try to give good service. Otherwise, they might suffer from negative reviews, which will in turn hurt their business. With semi-pros / seekingarrangement ladies, there's no such mechanism for checks and balance. So if they flake out and don't show up, there's not much recourse for the punter.

Here is some advice I have to anyone who would like to try sugar arrangements:

1) Some girls out there do not have a good understanding of the "sugar" relationship. They either put out nothing essentially, and expect to be paid, some just to talk to them or even for the initial "meet and greet". Make sure to weed those out right away.

2) You can tell a LOT from their profile. Some just talk about themselves exclusively, even being bold enough to call themselves "spoiled", "love to shop", expensive taste, "spoil me rotten", what can you do for me attitude shines through. AVOID these. The profile can also reveal some underlying attitude issues, "don't waste my time" "any REAL men out there" AVOID these.

3) I am weary of 18-20 year olds. The maturity is usually not there. Of course you have to always watch out to make sure they are at least 18 years old!

4) You have to be an expert in evaluating photographs. Some end up much less attractive than their glamour shots they took 10 years ago. Some, however, have average pictures, but turn out to be very pretty in person!

5) Moving to texting / phone call is my goal. That shows some intent and openness on their part.

6) Watch out for the crazy / bipolar / depressed ones.

7) We all like different things, but I tend to prefer college educated, or even ladies with higher education, graduate degrees. Just more in common, for me. For some of you, education level might not be a big deal.

8) When to discuss the money aspect of the arrangement. This has varied, but it has worked well both ways. Sometimes we get that agreement beforehand, even before we meet. Other times, we discuss in person only after dinner / drinks etc. When we both want to proceed with the arrangement.

9) If the sugarbaby LIKES you, you are GOLDEN For providers, almost all of them will proceed with the act and basically pretend (if they are skilled) to give you some affection and let you bang them. For the SB's who connect with you, WOW, they will be all over you, dripping wet pussy, tongue lashing, humping you like crazy in cowgirl, leg-shaking, multi-orgasmic events! It's unbelievable what can occur, and it would be highly unlikely to duplicate for professional providers, at least in my limited experience.

10) Set boundaries about phone calls, frequency of texts, frequency of visits, and expected allowances. If you are a hunk, they might fall for you, LOL!

[Chantik]

Anyone got any helpful names? Indies are great, but looks like there isn't a good place on the inter webs to find them for outcalls.

There are a number of sites to find independent ladies. Adultwork, Locanto, smoochi, sex 141 or you could even try me.

[Chantik]

Prior to my last trip to HK, I had downloaded Smooci and paid for the full access membership. I was fairly disappointed with the app though. Only a handful of girls (may be 20) at any given time. Some girls have exuberant fees like HKD 5000. Filtering them out leaves with even fewer girls.

Escort agencies and independents I have been with in HK have offered at least 2 shots (some offer unlimited) per hour of booking. Smooci girls all list just one shot. I booked one girl called BoBo. After the first round with her, I asked if she could offer a second round and how much upcharge would that be. She wanted double the initial amount. Seems unreasonable to me! Overall BoBo's service was good but at HKD 1600 per shot it was very costly (at least for me!

I suggest you carefully read rates / services of the girls on smoochi. I am on Smoochi and offer multiple pops as do other ladies, though unlimited is more of a feature of 2+ HR bookings. I've seen one lady ask for 5000, though the mean price is around 1700 to 1800 for one hour. Currently there are around 15 to 20 ladies online in the evening, while three months ago there were ten ladies online. The ladies only go online when they are ready for a booking as there is a ten turn around for a lady to accept or reject a booking which is a short period of time to check all relevant information- Finally if you have a premium member of Smoochi you can leave an off-line message for the lady who will receive an email.

[Tiger 888]

My experience with SA in Asia has been mostly a "miss". The ladies I have contacted, with a single exception, have an overinflated opinion of themselves. I suspect that their expectations are mostly a result of the "Pretty Woman" effect. In all fairness, I have a fairly narrow window of opportunity and have no interest in something like a monthly allowance until I am sure their is a long term "chemical connection". A result of being well fleeced by a SB in Singapore. Most all the girls that post in HK have good English skills, and therefore are accustomed to being pursued be expats which also adds to the inflated expectations.

I did meet one lady, that I truly enjoyed the time with her, and look forward to being able to see her again, when the planets align. I hear a lot of the SA ladies talk about Salt Daddies, and don't waste my time, those I automatically dismiss. My time is just as valuable and I've coined a new phrase of "Salt Baby", which means a gal that doesn't understand what "mutual benefit" means in an arrangement. I am not overly impressed with "cute", and the availability of attractive gals at reasonable prices in the P4 P market puts a premium on class, intelligence, and what it means to be a good companion, as opposed to just being cute. I suspect that is more "me" than them, but it is nice to have the ability to say "not interested".

Very well said.

[Sky Ryder]

Does anybody here have experience with the Sugar Babe scene in HK, such as via the Seeking Arrangement (now just Seeking) website? I hear mixed things about SA so would appreciate any first-hand tales, good or bad!

My experience with SA in Asia has been mostly a "miss". The ladies I have contacted, with a single exception, have an overinflated opinion of themselves. I suspect that their expectations are mostly a result of the "Pretty Woman" effect. In all fairness, I have a fairly narrow window of opportunity and have no interest in something like a monthly allowance until I am sure their is a long term "chemical connection". A result of being well fleeced by a SB in Singapore. Most all the girls that post in HK have good English skills, and therefore are accustomed to being pursued be expats which also adds to the inflated expectations.

I did meet one lady, that I truly enjoyed the time with her, and look forward to being able to see her again, when the planets align. I hear a lot of the SA ladies talk about Salt Daddies, and don't waste my time, those I automatically dismiss. My time is just as valuable and I've coined a new phrase of "Salt Baby", which means a gal that doesn't understand what "mutual benefit" means in an arrangement. I am not overly impressed with "cute", and the availability of attractive gals at reasonable prices in the P4 P market puts a premium on class, intelligence, and what it means to be a good companion, as opposed to just being cute. I suspect that is more "me" than them, but it is nice to have the ability to say "not interested".

[ImRickJames1]

Anyone got any helpful names? Indies are great, but looks like there isn't a good place on the inter webs to find them for outcalls.

[FarEastTrader]

Prior to my last trip to HK, I had downloaded Smooci and paid for the full access membership. I was fairly disappointed with the app though. Only a handful of girls (may be 20) at any given time. Some girls have exuberant fees like HKD 5000. Filtering them out leaves with even fewer girls.

Escort agencies and independents I have been with in HK have offered at least 2 shots (some offer unlimited) per hour of booking. Smooci girls all list just one shot. I booked one girl called BoBo. After the first round with her, I asked if she could offer a second round and how much upcharge would that be. She wanted double the initial amount. Seems unreasonable to me! Overall BoBo's service was good but at HKD 1600 per shot it was very costly (at least for me!