Sao Paulo Reports

[KPete]

For Wednesday night, I was debating whether to go back to Scandallo or to try Bomboa, Cafe Photo, or a place like Chanes or Bahamas. I decided to try Bomboa, because it sounded like Scandallo with more Brazilian flair and slightly less expensive girls, and I still had time to go back to Scandallo another night.

Bomboa has reduced entry (R150) before 5 pm but is R250 after that (both all consumable); they add an extra 10% for tips, so really it's R165 and R275. That is a longer interval between the reduced entry time and the peak time (presumably 11 pm-2 am) than Scandallo. And since I wanted to see this place at its peak but didn't want to spend 9 hours there, I decided to suck up the cost of the late entry. So, I took an Uber there at around 8:30 pm. As it turns out, I saw a lot of very pretty girls leaving when I arrived and shortly thereafter, maybe even better than the girls who came later. I don't know if that's a coincidence, but there might be something to that, and this club might be worth checking out earlier in the day. Knowing what I know now, I probably would have come earlier (in the late afternoon) for the reduced entry.

I walked in, and they found an English-speaking waiter to give me an introduction to the place. That guy turned out to be very helpful -- apart from familiarizing me with the club, he also gave me pointers and helped me communicate with the girls. As has been noted in earlier reports, this place is really nice, but in a different way from Scandallo; it's the wood, marble, and red velvet to Scandallo's steel and glass. But it is starting to show some wear around the edges. You might compare these places to old Vegas and new Vegas in terms of feel. Bomboa, though, is much, much smaller, with pretty much all of the mixing taking place in a single room. It has a great live band (in my opinion better than the one at Scandallo). Girls occasionally dance at the stripper poles (maybe a couple of girls per hour), although some just stripped down to their underwear. Food prices and quality are similar to Scandallo, and my grilled salmon was tasty and was enough food for me. Also, Bomboa uses an antiquated system to track food / drink; you are given a numbered wristband when you arrive, and the waiters literally write your orders on a paper slip, which you sign, and these slips are tabulated using something resembling a calculator from the 1970's.

In terms of girls, there were many fewer than Scandallo (maybe 80-100, so less than half the number). Overall, girls were maybe a half-notch below Scandallo, with most in the 6-8/10 range and maybe 2-3 girls I would put in the 9-10/10 range. There were only a few I would rate at 5/10 or below. There were proportionally more black girls than at Scandallo (maybe 5-6). I didn't see any Asian girls or redheads. Most of the girls I spoke with quoted prices of R400-R600 per hour with different services included. Because there are so many fewer girls than at Scandallo, and most are in one room, it was much easier to get a handle on the place.

I had my eye on a few candidates, but in the end I took the recommendation of the waiter and chose a girl named Bruna, who was very pretty with long wavy blond hair. We agreed on R400 for one hour of 'standard' service including BBBJ but no anal. Unlike in Scandallo, the 'onsite' rooms are not actually part of the club, they are in the hotel next door. So in order to take a girl to the room, you have to checkout of the club, settle up, and then you can leave. If you want to return, they give you a receipt, which you can then present for re-entry, including the amount of consumables you have remaining on your 'tab. ' The hotel next door costs R180 for the hour; it's okay but is not as nice as Scandallo. In the room, Bruna did what she promised, although she was maybe more PSE vs GFE than I would have liked. She did let me take some photos at the end and was really nice about that. I paid her in cash in the room, and we headed back to the club.

I stayed for a little while longer to check out the new girls coming in and to use more of my consumables. At around 2 am, I went to check out. I consumed less than the R250 entry, so I didn't owe any extra for consumables. In total, I spent R275 entry / consumables + R180 room + R400 girl = R855. Then I took Uber back to my hotel.

Overall, I liked Bomboa. If I had to choose between Bomboa and Scandallo, I would choose Scandallo just because it's such an amazing experience with the sheer number of pretty girls. But, assuming that what I saw was representative, I would guess that most men should also be able to find something of interest in Bomboa. The atmosphere is more relaxed, the girls circulate more, and it's just an easier place to keep track of than Scandallo. If the girls I saw leaving early were indicative of the day shift, then this could be a good play for the afternoon into the evening, with the lower entry fee and relatively lower girl prices (compared to Scandallo) for those who, like me, have difficulty finding anything of interest in the clinicas.

[KPete]

Slept in again on Wednesday morning and had brunch at the hotel while deciding what I should do with my day. Despite my less-than-good experiences with clinicas, in light of prior discussions on this forum I decided to give them one last shot, but thought I'd try later in the afternoon, in case my earlier experiences were more of a time-of-day problem. So, I made another loop of the clinicas, hitting the 'most likely' clinicas: Red, Miruna, and Abbobora.

I left my hotel at around 2 pm and walked 20 minutes to get to Red Massagem. Same friendly lady at the front desk. There were about 10 girls there, but if anything the talent was even worse, now in the 2-5/10 range in looks. There were a couple of much older, not-so-fit women there wearing skimpy clothing, which is a sight I will never be able to unseen. Got out of there as quickly as possible.

Another 10-15 minute walk to Clinica Miruna. Again, same nice lady at reception. Maybe 7 girls in the 4-6/10 range, so maybe slightly better than before, but no one I would seriously consider. So again, that a wash.

Final stop was Abbobora Massagem, which is just 1-2 minutes away from Miruna. Found the side entrance. Again, same lady at the front desk, who wasn't so nice the last time but was nicer this time. The talent here, again, was clearly better than in the other places, with more girls (maybe 10 total) in the 5-8/10 range in looks. I was debating whether I should pull the trigger here or save my money and, more importantly, my energy for likely better things tonight. But I figured this would be my best chance to try out the clinica action, so I chose the best looking girl named Rebecca with fair skin, long wavy black hair, and a nice face.

Took her to the room for R260 for 60 minutes. In the room, she was a bit standoffish, not unpleasant but not really affectionate. Limited kissing, but did a good BBBJ and had sex in multiple positions. I finished before the 60 minute mark, but she didn't seem keen on hanging out, so I just took a shower and left. So this was my one session in a clinica, and it was not so good.

So, through my experiences the past few days, I learned that the clinicas are not for me. They are certainly cheaper, and I can see how they can be great value if you visit often and know the girls, so you know where and when to go to find what you want. However, I am just showing up at these places when they are supposed to be busiest and hoping that I get lucky. Which I have not been -- the girl quality has just not been there for me, and even when the girls' appearance met my standard, the service did not. There are obviously lots of reasons why this may be, and there are also some things one could theoretically do to mitigate these factors; however, I am not going to wax philosophical here, I just make observations and present my opinions. For me this is about quality, not quantity. So I decided that for the remainder of my trip I would focus my efforts on the nightclubs.

[KPete]

How did you get uber to work?? I never had to use uber until yesterday. It asked for CPF. I used one I got from a menina but then it asked for date of birth, which obviously I did not have. So I tried the alternative and added my credit card info, which was an US credit card BTW. Although I was able to select my destination and my payment method (cash), I never could get the order to go through. The app always gave me a message saying "something went wrong".

I had downloaded and used the Uber app in my home country prior to my trip, so that might have had something to do with it. I had issues using a credit card in the Uber app, but I was able to use cash without any problem.

[KPete]

This has been mostly my experience with the clinicas to, although I did not visit Abbobora, but hope to next time. The clinica prices might be lower, but the looks I want just aren't there in enough numbers. Disappointing and not worth it to me to be running around all over the place trying to find a looker in a clinica who will do what I want. The boites and the "night league" is the place for me!

I agree completely. As you'll see from my later reports, for me the boites were the place where I was able to find the girls I like, albeit at much higher prices.

[KPete]

Awesome reports, thank you.

There are random gems that could be found at any clinic. The best times to see all the girls is early afternoon, when they are already working but before the crowds start arriving. Probably 1 pm or so is optimal for the first visit.

Also I saw in your earlier report that you were put off by the girls in Tangara who seemed cold or annoyed. I've seen that before, girls who seem cold, annoyed, or disinterested. But their attitude magically changed when we got to the room. So it may be productive to give them a chance if you find the face to your liking. Also, Tangara has a Whatsapp group they can sign you up for and they send out girls lists and photos throughout the day.

Thanks. Having read earlier reports, this was my strategy -- to hit the Moema clinicas in the early afternoon, to make the rounds and see if I could find a gem. As you will see from my aggregated reports, I didn't have much luck. I would say the same for Tangara, although I think the setup of that place is more conducive to success, if you can find a girl to your liking.

[KPete]

Salaam Pete. Abbobora is the only clinica I know that won't let you really chat to the girl to make sure she is the agreeing type. Some will blame the pushy reception lady. Anyway it's a deal-breaker for me. I could sympathize if they always had good-service girls and wanted to protect them, but I've been disappointed there before -- reminding me how important it is to check that the girl is in the right mood.

I agree. As you'll see in my later post, I did eventually do a TD there, and the service was lackluster. There just isn't a chance to build or test the chemistry, which is problematic for me.

[KPete]

The Moema clinicas are not far. The Sao Paulo fears are a bit overdone if you follow sensible, secure precautions. I would consider just taking an Uber or even better AltoBomGosto will take you hunting clinica girls in his car for a very reasonable rate. He might even be able to find you a clinica girls who doesn't object to photos.

Escorts are of course an option and the last several months have recommendations of well-reviewed girls. If a girl has a twitter and / or a website profile with lots of facial photos, I'm guessing you can negotiate a nominal extra fee for photos.

I agree. I walked all around Moema on multiple days, and I always felt safe. I wouldn't walk around by yourself at night, but during the day I don't sense any problem if you use common sense. At night, I would probably use Uber to get around.

[KPete]

As I always pointed up, be early at Tangara, especially on Sundays. If you go after 4 pm maybe you will find 30 dudes waiting for rooms.

I was there today, arrived at 1:30 pm, there were about 25 girls in the house and very few customers. Went with Sophie, a escola de samba type mulata, fantastic service, DFK, BBBJ, and CIM.

ABG.

I agree. Unfortunately, in my case I was limited in arrival time, since that was the day I arrived, and I needed to get a SIM card for my phone. For me, Sunday was an 'extra' day, and unfortunately things didn't pan out for me at Tangara.

[FRobertson]

I love the svelte, slender, and long-legged RO gazelles at Globe. Where in SP can I find Brazilian girls with this body type?

Search for Melânia Grassih on photoacompanhantes. Tall, slender, long legged. Decent attitude and GFE. Meets at a hotel in moema.

[DiverOyster]

To be clear, no one brings the true GFE like a Brasileira. But I think Ro-girls get whitewashed with a bad name due to the cliques that form in the FKKs for example. This is counter to my experience with the agency girls in London. I get good GFE (by most world standards) from most hand-picked Ro-girls in London and being in their bed is very intimate and part of the GFE IMO. I think on balance Brasileiras have a higher percent GFE, but not all Ro-girls are so mercenary. Course given a choice I will fly to Brasil. But got to defend my Ro-girls -- they've been mighty good to me.

I love the svelte, slender, and long-legged RO gazelles at Globe. Where in SP can I find Brazilian girls with this body type?

[Steve 9696]

When I was in Europe and was frequenting partytreffs, RO girls were like cancer to them. Could be very pretty but are very much focused on high volume, minimum effort interactions. Fake moaning in an effort to get me to "pop" ASAP and move on to the next victim. No GFE at all. Once a partytreff had a critical mass of RO girls, it wouldn't be worth coming back to. And I don't want to "pop", I want to have an experience of being with a woman.

To be clear, no one brings the true GFE like a Brasileira. But I think Ro-girls get whitewashed with a bad name due to the cliques that form in the FKKs for example. This is counter to my experience with the agency girls in London. I get good GFE (by most world standards) from most hand-picked Ro-girls in London and being in their bed is very intimate and part of the GFE IMO. I think on balance Brasileiras have a higher percent GFE, but not all Ro-girls are so mercenary. Course given a choice I will fly to Brasil. But got to defend my Ro-girls -- they've been mighty good to me.

[Questner]

Downloaded Uber app while in Brazil. Used foreign CC and foreign telephone number. Input other number for cfp as I don't have it. Worked well. Billing in reais, converted into foreign currency. Uber won't work on routes connecting Brazil with neighboring countries.

[DreamCarnarvon]

Did you use Uber stateside? I registered in the USA and used it there, subsequently it worked for me around the world without any problems, except for the quirky places like Argentina. (Mexico, Brazil, Amsterdam just to name a few places).

If you try to register for your first account in Brazil, that could be problematic.

If you have a proxy account with USA access, try registering online through that, and then log on to the app. Otherwise, ask for a friend's account stateside and then pay him back.

Yes I do use Uber back at home but that phone I use in the states is not unlocked so I cannot use it here in Brazil. Currently I'm using a different phone that is unlocked with a Brazilian chip. The problem will be, if I use my USA number to log in, this phone will not be able to receive the text message with the security code since it has a Brazilian phone number. I downloaded the 99 app yesterday and I did a test run and it worked. I haven't used it since so hopefully it will continue to work. Thanks for your help.

[JohnJones22]

Scandallo versus all the other options has been discussed extensively. I don't consider the minimum consumption as part of the price for a girl. Minimum consumption is a common concept in popular Brazilian clubs and bars. So really, it is what it is and it's not unusual.

Having said that, Scandallo is an expensive option for the SP scene when you factor in the girl's rate plus the room. I've been with top escorts that cost less than a Scandallo hook-up. These escort girls would be among the hottest in Scandallo and often times they are. Again, I'm not sure this can be debated.

When I return to Sao Paulo, I'll still probably return to Scandallo.

Mind me asking where you found these top escorts that cost less than a Scandallo hook-up?

[FRobertson]

I'm very fussy about finding pretty girls. I always find them all over Southern Brazil. And 80% of the time, they aren't satisfied unless they are satisfying me. The other 20% (roughly) do a decent job with the rare bad attitude in between.

I can't get into the Ro-girl look in general. I prefer Czech girls as they have softer features and more Germanic mixed-in. I believe Prague has become hit or miss for finding Czech girls who are hot and offer good service. Of course, a lot of Euros will find you anything you want.

When I was in Europe and was frequenting partytreffs, RO girls were like cancer to them. Could be very pretty but are very much focused on high volume, minimum effort interactions. Fake moaning in an effort to get me to "pop" ASAP and move on to the next victim. No GFE at all. Once a partytreff had a critical mass of RO girls, it wouldn't be worth coming back to. And I don't want to "pop", I want to have an experience of being with a woman.