Bangkok Reports

[Kickoffs]

I took a girl from here a few months ago. The mama came over with some cardboard showing the price on it of 3 k ST and being annoying. I sent her away and was deciding if I was going to take the girl. I didn't try to talk the price down from 3 k to see as I don't really care much about the money. I ended up paying 3 k for her.

I wouldn't be surprised if the mama is trying to make that like the standard price there and that's why she's insisting on it. I couldn't imagine the hot girls would put up with being extorted for extra money as they can work at any gogo they like.

3 K is the ST price for both Butterflies and Billboard, same owner. Geisha on the same floor is the same price. Have understood all 3 to have 700 BF with Geisha having a 1000 BF for BGs with big tits. After EihToom's last TR though, it seems BFs may be 1000 now.

[Smoothy]

I don't think cowboy 2 is owned by him. I know I've been there many times over the years and never been ripped off outside of the fact that the hottest girls have like 3 k barfines are something absurd like that.

I was in there once and they tried to charge me for 10 tequilas when I had only bought one diet coke. I had to argue with them for an hour before they let me leave.

[Smoothy]

A lot of talk about Japanese, Korean, or other Asian guys lasting 1 minute or other derogatory remarks.

It's not us, it's the girls. They say 3-3-3 when referring to asian guys. That means 3 inches for 3 seconds for 3000 baht. It's just a funny thing they say.

[Kickoffs]

I think he also owns that Cowboy 2 bar.

Cannot confirm nor deny other than to say didn't experience bill padding there a little over a month ago.

[Smoothy]

But have to say, I have not seen her around the last couple of times I have been in there. lol. So maybe she has been banished from the premises for breaking the rules in all kinds of ways.

You just met her Monday and it's Thursday but you haven't seen her the last couple of times you went there? So you go there every night? I'm going to have to check that place out.

[Kickoffs]

A friend of mine went into Sahara last night and was assaulted by one of the bouncers. He was with 2 other friends. They were handed a bill of 8000 baht for 3 drinks total. They say its bullshit, and they then lower the price to 4000. They still say it's not correct, the bouncer then proceeds to punch my friend in the face around 10 times in front of a police officer. He doesn't retaliate, and still tells them the price isn't correct while profusely bleeding from his brow. So they let them leave without paying anything. The price ended up being 20 stitches at the hospital.

I wasn't there to see it happen, and I'm only telling a summarized version 2nd hand. But it does show that there are still potentially dangerous situations and scammy practices going on in some go go bars. Even a simple search shows that place should be avoided along with all the other Arab owned bars in Soi Cowboy. I've never had an experience like this, but the lesson I would take away from my friend's story is that doing a bit of due diligence on websites like this helps quite a bit with avoiding shit situations like that.

Can't imagine a bouncer punching a customer in the face in the bar is good for business as that is a big scene to cause. Avoid the Arab bars. The bill padding is obnoxious and just plain wrong.

[Kickoffs]

In any case, a Farang expat or tourist marrying a working girl used to be common in the past (I almost ended up doing that), but with the current crop of hookers, one would have to be truly delusional to even contemplate the possibility.

That was delusional even back then. Once that working girl gets old, she becomes a financial responsibility at that point. Always felt the girl who spoke the same language, can support herself, educated, and attractive was the better catch than the overseas working girl who is attractive but offered nothing else.

[EihTooms]

Some of those girls are like that. They want 3000 whether you fuck them straightways, sideways, upside down, or just talk with them in the room. I wouldn't take it personally.

Of course, I suspect almost every punter in the world knows all that. The question I had was more about the girl and the two mamasans at Butterflies insisting in unison that "ALL the girls here get 3,000 baht for ST," as though it was really some new serious blanket policy that no girl dare violate, not even by so much as 500 baht. The last girl I barfined from there was 2-3 weeks ago, much better looking than the one in question here and I got an upfront honest agreement for BBFS+CIP with her fee at 2,500 baht.

But have to say, I have not seen her around the last couple of times I have been in there. lol. So maybe she has been banished from the premises for breaking the rules in all kinds of ways.

[Youthagainst]

I'm a monger just like you guys, I'm British Chinese although there is a lot of bigotry and subconscious racism on here. A lot of talk about Japanese, Korean, or other Asian guys lasting 1 minute or other derogatory remarks. Which is inherent jealousy as far as I can see. Jealousy that the girls are preferring Asian clients over farangs. Many many assumptions that this is even the case and even if it is in certain bars, everyone has a preference. It's only human nature.

I have been to Bangkok around 6 times in the past year for both business and pleasure and perhaps only had takeout twice, while I have dated civilians and had a lot of luck and perhaps have slept with around 20 or so, totally for free and after the date. Some of these are not Thai civilians but also expats, a Russian girl, a black British lady. And I can assure you I don't last 5 minutes but I do not make any deogratory remarks about any other race and I think its poor form to do so.

[Bouvis]

A friend of mine went into Sahara last night and was assaulted by one of the bouncers. He was with 2 other friends. They were handed a bill of 8000 baht for 3 drinks total. They say its bullshit, and they then lower the price to 4000. They still say it's not correct, the bouncer then proceeds to punch my friend in the face around 10 times in front of a police officer. He doesn't retaliate, and still tells them the price isn't correct while profusely bleeding from his brow.The price ended up being 20 stitches at the hospital.

This is like one of those stories I used to hear about Bangkok bars in the early 90's. I'm shocked to hear this type of scamming and thuggery still exists today.

News like this travels fast, however The Iranian bar owner is still in business and minted to the back teeth. Go figure.

[Smoothy]

One possibility I did not mention and waited to see if anyone else has gotten the same immovable, repeated "All girls here get 3,000 baht for ST" mantra from Butterflies girls and mamasans lately is if the girls are being extorted for as much as a 1,000 baht per ST kickback to the mamasans. Sure, maybe the girl just loathed the thought of me licking her pussy for a while so much even 2,000-2,500 baht was not nearly enough payment for her to subject herself to it.

Some of those girls are like that. They want 3000 whether you fuck them straightways, sideways, upside down, or just talk with them in the room. I wouldn't take it personally.

[GinAndTonic555]

One possibility I did not mention and waited to see if anyone else has gotten the same immovable, repeated "All girls here get 3,000 baht for ST" mantra from Butterflies girls and mamasans lately is if the girls are being extorted for as much as a 1,000 baht per ST kickback to the mamasans. Sure, maybe the girl just loathed the thought of me licking her pussy for a while so much even 2,000-2,500 baht was not nearly enough payment for her to subject herself to it..

I took a girl from here a few months ago. The mama came over with some cardboard showing the price on it of 3 k ST and being annoying. I sent her away and was deciding if I was going to take the girl. I didn't try to talk the price down from 3 k to see as I don't really care much about the money. I ended up paying 3 k for her.

I wouldn't be surprised if the mama is trying to make that like the standard price there and that's why she's insisting on it. I couldn't imagine the hot girls would put up with being extorted for extra money as they can work at any gogo they like.

[GinAndTonic555]

I think he also owns that Cowboy 2 bar.

I don't think cowboy 2 is owned by him. I know I've been there many times over the years and never been ripped off outside of the fact that the hottest girls have like 3 k barfines are something absurd like that.

[FarangPunter]

Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Sahara, Rawhide, and Spice Girls are owned by a guy known as the Arab. He's actually Iranian. All of his bars are known ripoffs. Avoid all of them.

I was sitting outside Baccara. Just eye fucking the girls from Rio. They have some really good lookers standing in the front. Sucks, there needs to be a go-go-bar wall of shame.

[Syzygies]

One possibility I did not mention and waited to see if anyone else has gotten the same immovable, repeated "All girls here get 3,000 baht for ST" mantra from Butterflies girls and mamasans lately is if the girls are being extorted for as much as a 1,000 baht per ST kickback to the mamasans. Sure, maybe the girl just loathed the thought of me licking her pussy for a while so much even 2,000-2,500 baht was not nearly enough payment for her to subject herself to it.

I am sure girls get to tip the mamasan, but 1000 kick back seems excessive. Still if the mamasan is critical to getting deal done or bringing the girl over, you never know. I don't allow mamasans to introduce a girl of her selection. I always tell them I will chose by myself. If we do accept, then kickbacks will be highly encouraged and only some girls maybe paying the kickbacks (probably bad girls).

I can probably research this topic further with bar Service staff girl I have known for 5 years. She is likely to tell me the truth, quietly if others not overhearing. Even the barfined girls will sometimes be open enough to say what mamasans they like and hate, and if any kickbacks get paid. Not all bar girls are habitual liars with all customers. Girls tend to know they can be straight up with me. I don't need any sweet talk bullshit. It is much more relaxing for a girl when she does not have to make stories and try to remember to be consistent. I also minimise asking of difficult questions. It is much easier for girls to just omit embarrassing information, rather than tell actual lies. That is what my GF does. She just clams up if does not want to answer. Only caught her on a lie once or twice. She can have a distorted view of reality though. That is different.

Soapy girls pay kickbacks to the Cheer-persons in order to be recommended. This means the cheer person can be recommending a totally shit girl just to get the kickback. They recommend girls in their "stable". That is why I never trust advice unless I know the person is reliable. I don't like tipping much in advance, until advice has proved to be brilliant (that is going to be quite rare), but will tip those I use who have provided reliable special info generally.