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[Member #4636]

Soon or later, authority may enforce cashless payment in brothels LOL.

I think prostitutes should be entitled to be tax exempted and tax free because actually what they do decrease crime rate, give energy to many men's lives, and take the gas out of stressful society for men and above all they sell dreams to men and make us feel complete as man in area of lust and desire. Prostitution as occupation is so underrated by society.

On that point what could we say about teachers or doctors then?

But it is not the girls that I mind they are tax avoiding but the clubs. In my country every company must by law have the ability to accept credit or debit cards and not only cash.

Only cash in business environment is not a good thing and causes many problems. And FKK clubs are legal companies right so why not plastic money? The only club I know so far accepting cards is Artemis.

[Gino02]

Soon or later, authority may enforce cashless payment in brothels LOL.

I think prostitutes should be entitled to be tax exempted and tax free because actually what they do decrease crime rate, give energy to many men's lives, and take the gas out of stressful society for men and above all they sell dreams to men and make us feel complete as man in area of lust and desire. Prostitution as occupation is so underrated by society.

I agree. And we men should be able to itemize and deduct our FKK / mongering related expenses as healthcare costs in our Tax Returns. These are truly medical expenses in my case, similar to medical marijuana. Without the FKK medications, my pain from the blue balls is excruciating, totally unbearable.

[Pessimist]

NRW clubs tend to provide better service than Hessen or Berlin clubs, but yeah, I also noticed line up being rather mediocre with almost no stunner in line up, some day I got lucky, but optically NRW is lower than Frankfurt or Berlin clubs.

Oddly, best girls I had optically in past 10 years in German FKK were all in palace and also Artemis. Both are near city upsell clubs, so I guess most beautiful girls go where the money is.

While not getting into the same debate again, I broadly agree with you. I am however able to obtain good service at standard prices from a sufficient number of good looking girls in the megaclubs, and hence I have been going to those more often. The converse, I. E. Finding a sufficient number of high optics girls in the smaller, service oriented clubs has not been as easy a task, at least for me.

[Pessimist]

At smaller clubs where management is more hands-on and male customers are more socially interconnected and sharing information with one another, that sharky WG will not survive for long. She will need to conform or find a megaclub.

Yes, you are right. My example was more suited to a megaclub with neither a cartel of WGs nor a united monger group existing in that place. In a small club, as you say, some customers can gang up and blacklist the bad service WGs (or in some clubs a few sharky WGs May form a cartel). But as you pointed out, all the clubs are part of a larger paid sex system; so they are not truly islands on their own. Girls can leave and go to other clubs. Likewise, if a group of men are able to boycott a few sharky WGs thereby improving standards in that club, then word will leak out which brings other men (who are not related to the aforementioned united gang) to that club, some of them tourists too, and they can be preyed upon by the sharky WGs. So, the market clearing mechanism will still work as long as we have a large number of clubs.

[Mr Ho]

I plan to post individual reviews in the threads for each of these clubs, but here's my overall impression of Duss-area FKKs:

They are not as good as Frankfurt, not even close.

Living Room on Friday night had the full complement of girls (about 20 - 30). But only three were do-able to my taste, and I only got one. This club is way too small and barebones to charge a 60 Euro entry fee. But more on this greedy management later. I got a green-eyed, all natural Romanian brunette called Renata for a 130 Euro (1 HR) session with many of the extras I like (I'll include details in my Living Room thread review). As I mentioned, there were a couple of other girls I could have done at least a basic session with, but I was saving up for the following day. It may have been a mistake.

I drove out to Golden Time on Saturday afternoon. It's run by the same management at LR, and charged the same overpriced 60 Euro entry fee. This visit was a disgrace! It was my first FKK visit ever without even getting a single girl. It's my first-ever bad review of an FKK, or even bad forum review period. The club was infested with mongers at 3 in the afternoon. It seemed there were at least 100 guys. They ran out of lockers! They claimed to have 75 girls working, but all I saw was 25 ugly ones. Fake, old, and defensive (from all the guys). It was a disaster. When I left in a huff after only two hours of aimless wandering, the management ran out to ask what was wrong. They wouldn't offer to refund even a part of the entry fee, of course. Not even a free transfer to Living Room (just the standard discount).

NRW clubs tend to provide better service than Hessen or Berlin clubs, but yeah, I also noticed line up being rather mediocre with almost no stunner in line up, some day I got lucky, but optically NRW is lower than Frankfurt or Berlin clubs.

Oddly, best girls I had optically in past 10 years in German FKK were all in palace and also Artemis. Both are near city upsell clubs, so I guess most beautiful girls go where the money is.

[Mr Ho]

They don't get taxed on that amount, they get taxed on what they declare. You get my point!

Remember their money is without invoice, without receipt, even the entry in many clubs is without a POS machine, and no credit=debit cards accepted.

Soon or later, authority may enforce cashless payment in brothels LOL.

I think prostitutes should be entitled to be tax exempted and tax free because actually what they do decrease crime rate, give energy to many men's lives, and take the gas out of stressful society for men and above all they sell dreams to men and make us feel complete as man in area of lust and desire. Prostitution as occupation is so underrated by society.

[McAdonis]

Indeed, I have noticed the same too. The exception however is if they have kids. If that is the case, then they tend to think more long term in order to save up a lot more. Although most girls won't admit to having kids even if they do.

I believe that superstar WGs exhibit two qualities in abundance: (1) mature for their age, and (2) patient beyond belief. Becoming a mother generally enhances both of those traits. Using my stubborn, 21 year old self as a point of reference, the immature ones often have more attitude and are more prone to mouth off and they already think they know everything. Being patient is useful when dealing with the crazy, annoying, and mentally unstable customers. Or dealing with customers that think they know it all and want to dispense advice to you. Impatient, immature WGs would roll their eyes to these customers' faces, whereas the mature, patient ones would do it after these customers paid them.

[McAdonis]

The girl you are mention who deal less with customer likely still need the moneys, but they wishing to make most money with least amount of customer and least amount of wear on the body. These are such girls who demand 100 for 30 minute, typically prefer more expensive anal customer to save their sore vagina, and have client list of lonely widower type man who just wish talk them several hours in room without any or much actual service. Such girl avoid regular clients who only give normal 100 for 60 min. Instead these girl seek the "extras" customer or overpaying tourist they can exploiting with 5 minute session. Agreeing with you that such girl seek less stress and more smoke break, but for them I believing money is still a main motivation for remain in FKK.

My stance is most WGs hate their jobs. And that the WGs do indeed observe other WGs. They see that superstar WG making 1000 EUR, but spending a full 10-12 full hours interacting with customers (pre, post, and actual zimmer time). Then they see a sharky WG making 500 EUR but spending only about 2-3 hours interacting with customers and on "smoke break" the other 9-10 hours. Many WGs choose to model themselves after the sharky WG, even though it is glaringly obvious that the superstar WG makes more.

If the WG truly hates her job, then the second option is more preferable because it allows her to maintain her sanity. The superstar WG, although she makes more per 12 hour shift, may be looked upon as a "sucker". Romanians grew up in a corrupt system, so finding ways to outsmart the system and cut corners became a survival skill for them. They are sometimes ambivalent about dishonesty. If executed in a clever way, cheating, unscrupulous behavior, and pilfering is often looked upon with admiration. They even have a word for this: smecherie.

https://books.google.de/books?id=rXo...Bcut%2Bcorners

Pretending and "faking emotions" is mentally and emotionally draining. Have you guys never had a job you hated? Or worked for a boss that you wanted to punch in the face? You find ways to take longer breaks, avoid, disengage, and mentally recharge between each dreaded interaction. When you hate a large portion of your waking hours, being always "present" sucks your will to live. And you stay only at the job because you are comfortable and secure. Doing the bare minimum and mentally checking out is then the key to longevity and the key to avoiding burnout.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmur...o-be-miserable

[McAdonis]

Of course, the strong minded among us would say "just withhold paying any extras to the girls and do not give business to the bad service girls, and eventually they will be so devoid of any business and either have to change their ways or leave the business altogether". In effect, these guys have faith in the market and suggest that if only the mongers stayed united and stopped rewarding the bad service girls, the world would be alright.

I do not disagree with this view, but the flaw is that mongers are no more united than the girls. Invariably, the tourists, newbies, mongers flush with excess cash, and many others do not care about paying a few euros extra and break ranks. As in any market, it is the *marginal buyer and marginal seller* that sets the clearing price.

At smaller clubs where management is more hands-on and male customers are more socially interconnected and sharing information with one another, that sharky WG will not survive for long. She will need to conform or find a megaclub.

[Sirioja]

Not sure. If any, it would probably have to be Estephania. Maybe other girls tries to copy her tactics. She over analyzed the sharks market. At Oase I've seen her make tons of money on a busy night. But perhaps not so much on slower days. Maybe over a month she did make more at sharks. That might just be the case with many new girls now too. They test the market more than girls in the past did. So heavy tourist clubs can make rates skyrocket, and girls can misjudge everything. Leading to lower income in the long run.

I read a few 3 or 4 year old posts of Sidonia at Sharks. And they all seemed to be very poor. But my own experience with her is only the best. Close to 10/10 last time. Maybe she is one who now has noticed the importance of improved reputation. I didn't do her 3-4 years ago when she was new. Maybe that was a good call. Maybe it is best to let the girls start with a slow year, and then try them later on. Also these sub 20 year old sometimes have a tendency to whine about size way too much. And the extra year or two may be good for others to have stretched them out a bit also, LOL!

Small doll Estefania doesn't seem so busy now at Oase, same for Adela, and I visit only on Friday or Saturday.

[Member #4636]

From my experiences, most of German girls working in FKK really come from low level, why many are often marked like cow with pimp name, brother name as they say, written on them. Highest level Romanian girls don t work in FKK, but in normal job, even they make less money. Even some speak different languages, but I don t meet many who sound clever, most are bad liars, think they can drive most of guys like little dogs and become angry when they can't control one. This business is full of frustration for WGs and some guys.

I agree 100 %. Siri couldn't say it better.

I believe there is high level however but that is less than 5 %.

[Polyamorist]

There are a few girls around who specialize in faking orgasms. So I just ask them mid session if they do that. Try it! Worst case, they laugh about it, and while doing so, tense their stomach muscles when doing so.

As long as you are pleased with the lesser, you cannot have the highest. Whatever pleases you, holds you back.

-- Nisargadatta Maharaj.

[Member #4636]

Then they get taxed on that one.

They don't get taxed on that amount, they get taxed on what they declare. You get my point!

Remember their money is without invoice, without receipt, even the entry in many clubs is without a POS machine, and no credit=debit cards accepted.

[Sirioja]

From my experiences, most of German girls working in FKK really come from low level, why many are often marked like cow with pimp name, brother name as they say, written on them. Highest level Romanian girls don t work in FKK, but in normal job, even they make less money. Even some speak different languages, but I don t meet many who sound clever, most are bad liars, think they can drive most of guys like little dogs and become angry when they can't control one. This business is full of frustration for WGs and some guys.

[LaBambaBoy]

Mainhatten has an "ash room" but what other clubs have no smoking or controlled isolated smoking?

Was at Mainhatten recently. Very once 3 D action in the kino, *very* hung guy screwing this chick who loved the attention and seemed to be definitely liking it. Quite amusing to see big balls slapping against her and a huge horse like dick crammed in. Needless to say I booked her but she was a bit sore so finished with a nice BBJ.

Finca has smoking only in the back room area, with fans mounted high on the wall to exhaust the smoke. Works pretty well.