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07-09-19 20:14 #19776
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
Good HR link, never knew it existed. I suspect I know who performs casting.
Anyway, I might have presented somewhat distorted reality. My apologies, and as always, thanks to Kozerog for providing a clear no-BS explanation.
KEC is GIA that has been transformed in May-July of 2018 after widely publicized police bust. In that respect KEC is the same. KEC business policy though is near-sighted, and targets short term visitors. Perhaps they make, or expected to make more money that way, difficult to figure out.
Seems there's a niche for KEC. Girls like Oksana, Masha, Marta have been with KEC and GIA for many years now. Oksana is a classic example of KEC lying, because she is positioned as 21 years old, and she was 21 in September 2016 at GIA. KEC management would say that girls conceal their age for privacy reasons, but that's BS, because KEC has copies of their passports. Lie is a lie.
"Verified" Pictures where girls hold a piece of paper with a recent date handwritten is a KEC innovation. Doubtful value really.
GIA has been around for many years, but recent offerings proliferation through Viber, WhatsApp, Telegram and IG made a dent in GIA / KEC profits. Now KEC tries to squeeze more. Requirement to work 5 days a week seems new, in the past GIA ladies reported in the morning if they were willing to work (needed money) today. That's what one of good GIA girls back in 2016 explained to me: "When I need money, I just call". She used her money making pussy as an ATM, and felt great about it.
I can recall maybe one or two Forum reports in the last year of someone using KEC services. We used to have many. Last good ones were in 2018 prior to bust.
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07-09-19 16:45 #19775
Posts: 242Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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07-09-19 15:58 #19774
Posts: 823Originally Posted by MichiT [View Original Post]
Please report on your achievements.
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07-09-19 15:05 #19773
Posts: 480Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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07-09-19 14:44 #19772
Posts: 11Best clubs in Kiev
Hi guys,
I was in Kiev last week and had good fuck with mamba girls and 2 from apartments. I'm already thinking of my next trip, do clubs in Kiev worth the visit? Any good addresses?
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07-09-19 03:35 #19771
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Stefan7 [View Original Post]
IMHO customer service was noticeably better at GIA. Placing the order is a challenge today. Not so trustworthy feedback on KEC website from fake customers, positioned as real, but frequently written by KEC management. Description of options again and again not matching what actually happens with the girl. Prices went up significantly. There is no option for using KEC apartment.
Maybe you have better sources, Stefan, but it seems that a year ago KEC has displaced GIA management. Protection and ownership could be the same.
I believe GIA was better, especially 3 years ago in 2016, than KEC is now in 2019.
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07-08-19 23:54 #19770
Posts: 35Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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07-08-19 03:22 #19769
Posts: 823Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
The other gentleman may post a report when he gets back home and recovers from festivities. From what I've seen so far in his private communication to me, the girls are exactly as I promised few months ago: 2-3 no lower than 8 or 9 in the first 2 days or so upon landing.
Correspondingly, both of these gentlemen received few snapshots from the fun I had upon arrival mid May. The metaphor stays the same, - "I thought I had died and went straight to Heaven!
Why did these three including myself succeeded? For many reasons: traveling to Kiev frequently, loving it, working hard on procurement, being realistic and honest, being sufficiently handsome and attractive in manners and appearance, not thinking of Kiev as of the place full of cheaters and scammers, not begging for failure, but not expecting an easy and guaranteed success either.
One out of these 3 will not post any reports, just like many other successful visitors. That is why I am saying 1 out of 20 visitors posts happy reports. It doesn't mean only 1 out of 20 is happy. Happiness is in the eye of beholder. Some guys are happy with take out from Rio, others do not mind KEC, I hear certain clubs provide good degree of success.
I do not think I could crack Prague or Barcelona that easily, but to each his own.
Cheers!
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07-08-19 00:41 #19768
Posts: 8232 Drama: I never blocked anybody, including you. Nor did I complain to Admins. Likewise, I could do just fine without your seal of approval and proofreading my posts. Forum can judge on its own.
Indeed, it would be great if after 3 years of not visiting Ukraine and Kiev in particular you could find peace and move on from this thread. Newbies in Moscow Forum may need your protection.
Thanks for extending the olive branch, no hard feelings.
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07-07-19 18:30 #19767
Posts: 2821Newbies should read these guys reports for good information
Kozerog is a great source, he does a great job about talking about the hardwork, cost and time that is takes to meet for girls in Kiev. Newbies need to read all his reports, before booking a trip to Ukraine.
Also over the last 2 months P.S, reports have improved 1000% he is now talking about both the good and ugly in Kiev. This is all I ask for. We do not have a lot in common and probably will never agree on a Lot, but if he keeps this up, no need for me to post on the Kiev page. I have also learned a few things from him, so that proves you can learn something from everyone. Maybe he can even unblock me.
I will only correct obvious mistakes, exaggerations and lies. I have moved on to better destinations.
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07-07-19 02:05 #19766
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Tomek123 [View Original Post]
If they want to play by the rules of their Western world, then German FKK and Thailand are much easier.
This Western world is full of restrictions, prohibitions and convention. Dating in the street in the West is not always good for you to end. This can lead to problems. Even in Poland, dating in the street is dying these days. Many women make a gloomy face. And walk past you. . This is the influence of the West. You say that people take an example from Jymondor. But who is Jymondor? This is a Ukrainian who lives in a rich country. In Canada. This is not a Western person. He knows the language and mentality.
And who is Steve 69? This is not quite a systematic person for the West. Yes, he is American. But this is not a typical American. Not every American dares to approach a young girl in the center of Kiev. It is not always easy even if you are Ukrainian. Not because that you are afraid of accusations of sexual harassment, but simply because you are afraid that you will get an offensive refusal. Like a male. The woman will tell you. No, no, . And if you are not Ukrainian, but a Swede or German or Canadian? You are brought up in a completely different environment. Where is very bad legislation for men and any stupid girl can create problems and troubles for you. What you offer to these guys is quite rational and this is a good way to search for pussies in Ukraine. Ukrainian girls are not used to shouting about sexual harassment and react to it normally and without problems. Often they just smile and give you a polite refusal. Without hysterics. But this is impossible simply because it is impossible for most western guys.
Even for a Ukrainian guy it's not so easy to turn to a beautiful young girl on the street. Otherwise, the escort Gia agency would stop its work. Useless. What do you think, every guy can go to such girls on Kiev street. Like these photos.
Approaching girls in the street is not for faint-hearted. Especially those in Kiev.
I approach hourly call girls after fucking them on my premises. And get their phone numbers. Not always, but sufficiently enough. That is easier. But I cannot resist myself, and also keep hunting wherever I am.
BTW, girls on your photos look great!
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07-07-19 01:53 #19765
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
Younger generation is more likely to understand rudimentary Russian, and use parents as the communication link with grandparents. This is the same as second generation immigrants, - those born in England or US, and speaking, writing and reading in English. They also understand those very 500 words in the language of their parents, but read with great difficulty, and cannot write. That younger second generation of immigrants speaks English back to their parents, even if parents insist on preserving their native language. Children understand the subset, parents may not speak English that great, but both manage while bridging two cultures.
I didn't hear college students frequently using Ukrainian in ordinary conversation even 2-3 years ago. Now it's everywhere. They still speak and really well understand Russian, and do not mind switching to Russian altogether if they realize it is easier for me. Residents of Kiev go as far as suggesting me to switch to Russian, when they hear how badly I struggle trying to speak Ukrainian. The latter happens even if their first language is Ukrainian (Lviv, Vinnitsa, Chernovtsy).
Whereas with Lithuania, etc, older generation spoke Lithuanian, etc as first language.
Also, Lithuania, etc can afford to replace Russian with English because Russia is and will continue to be a minor trading partner compared to the EU (or China in case of Mongolia). Whereas Russia will resume its economic importance to Ukraine as soon as the war is over
and everyone knows that, which is why those Ukrainian parents you mentioned want their children to master both Ukrainian and Russian.
Those parents also took into account English classes quality as the primary criteria for choosing school.
Bottom line is that most young Ukrainians (especially central and eastern Ukraine) will be able speak / understand intermediate Russian for decades to come.
Though when speaking, they may increasingly mix with Ukrainian. So I see no reason to learn Ukrainian rather than Russian, for someone planning to only visit Kyiv. I do see reasons to learn maybe 500 most common Ukrainian words that are different in Ukrainian and Russian. Adding those 500 words should allow reading Ukrainian, for those who can already read Russian.
Or forget Ukrainian. You will be fine with Russian only for few short visits.
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07-07-19 01:00 #19764
Posts: 480Dating on the Street
Originally Posted by Tomek123 [View Original Post]
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07-07-19 00:55 #19763
Posts: 480Originally Posted by ShawMan74 [View Original Post]
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07-06-19 22:43 #19762
Posts: 242Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
Also, Lithuania, etc can afford to replace Russian with English because Russia is and will continue to be a minor trading partner compared to the EU (or China in case of Mongolia). Whereas Russia will resume its economic importance to Ukraine as soon as the war is over, and everyone knows that, which is why those Ukrainian parents you mentioned want their children to master both Ukrainian and Russian.
Bottom line is that most young Ukrainians (especially central and eastern Ukraine) will be able speak / understand intermediate Russian for decades to come. Though when speaking, they may increasingly mix with Ukrainian. So I see no reason to learn Ukrainian rather than Russian, for someone planning to only visit Kyiv. I do see reasons to learn maybe 500 most common Ukrainian words that are different in Ukrainian and Russian. Adding those 500 words should allow reading Ukrainian, for those who can already read Russian.