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07-19-19 06:02 #11236
Posts: 54Originally Posted by Ctytek [View Original Post]
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07-19-19 03:05 #11235
Posts: 425Please stop rationalizing price gouging and sharking. No one cares how much you paid in Vive (whatever that even is), or any other place where SW criminalization has let to desperate mongers willing to pay overinflated prices. The reason why people come to places like Germany, Mexico or Asia is access to reasonably priced providers.
The only reason why Artemis girls are able to get sway with bad service for 30/60 is precisely because of lack of competition and lack of variety of FKKs in Berlin. They would never be able to get away with it in NRW, where we routinely pay 30 for 30 in many clubs and get good service. And that's the reason why I'd never set my foot in this dump of a club.
Originally Posted by PayForIt [View Original Post]
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07-19-19 02:25 #11234
Posts: 18602nd night running
So many thanks to my fellow contributors for their comments. Before setting out the detail of what ended up being an even better night at Artemis than the first, I will reply to some of the comments made:
The Cane: Lilia from Kiel worked tonight. What a very nice lady. Nice eyes and terrific natural large breasts, but for my liking a little too heavy so I declined but what a lovely girl.
Pinball Machine: Thanks. Glad you liked the report and hope you'll like this one too.
Expat Lover: I 100% agree that the monopoly Artemis has in Berlin is very poor for the market. The proposed new club in Potsdam didn't happen and the monopoly is a very significant negative for mongers as the girls know you have few other options. To turn up at a walk in, be confronted by 4 or 5 girls and have to pick without speaking to them for more than 10 second is on offer elsewhere in Bordellos. But that's what we get back in the UK and US and it is weak and you are at great risk of picking someone who you have no chemistry with. This is the beauty of the FKK model. I spoke to several girls tonight I really liked. Particularly Natasha and Evan. Neither of whom worked last night, both had great bodies. Evan with incredible wheelnut nipples and Natasha with lovely black fishnets and pierced nipples. But nice girls though they were they were not into my personal likes and dislikes and so we passed. It is true that there is little better alternative in Berlin as you say. So sadly there is every reason to go to Artemis as there is no good alternative and for me, the club still has many beauties.
Bigbuddy. I gave up on LR the last time I went. Whilst Sharks and Artemis have smokey bars, there are places to escape with lovely fresh air where there are still girls (e. G. Downstairs in the kino / pool area / wellness at Artemis). LR has a cancer inducing main room where the girls all stand. I have never experienced forced smoke inhalation like it anywhere in the World and I am sad as I like the free beer fridges but the restaurant is tiny, and the cancer risk high. So I won't be returning anytime soon. I only head there if Oceans LU is weak and even then only in real desperation. Cannot speak for Aca but don't like tiny, or none approach clubs.
Danny227. Nice response with many perfectly fair points. To each their own with Mel. There tonight and when no lingerie the boobs looked very tired and drawn and I agree with you that she doesn't get to 8 with those and the large ass. Carla is just amazing and her service is terrific. I repeat your enumerated points for reply below;.
1. Hardly any fresh girls. (I disagree. Several have abandoned Sharks for Artemis. Blonde pretty Kimberley at Sharks is now Jasmine at Artemis). Several others were there tonight who the experienced girls told me " I don't know her she has only been here two weeks".
2. Near zero chance for a good 60 euro session. I totally agree but then I don't do 30 min sessions unless the girl is useless and I tend now to know that from the pre room interview which is essential when planning longer rooms.
3. Old and silicone is dominant in Artemis. Sillicone I agree with. Old I don't. There are definitely too many older girls. But there are also some young ones. I think the average is above the Hessen and NRW clubs but not much over 30 which is fine for me.
4. For 170 an hour you can get decent service for mist those girls, but nit the German girls and at the moment Artemis has roughly 20 Germans. You forgot that 50 of that 170 was for a defined extra so the real price for fabulous service from Carla was 120. I agree that if you are willing to Payforit (sorry couldn't resist and its why its my nick on here!) you get known for it. As I had paid handsomely last night I found a lot of very receptive girls tonight. For anyone not living in Germany these prices are fine. In Spain I expect to pay min 150/ hour if not 200 in most places, 240 in Vive (which is exceptional and 300/ hour in Miladys Palace). In London 150 is available but the best girls range from 200 to 600 per hour. In Australia average is the equivalent of 200/ hour. In Dubai the same for quality. Germans have feasted for a long time on 50/30 rooms or 60 at Artemis. I actually agree with the girls on this. Why should a girl go to the room, totally naked, give you access to her pussy, give you DFK, a BBBJ and work hard on you for 30 minutes all for 60? Time has moved on. It was 60/30 in 2013! Everything else has gone up in price. Why not this? You wouldn't stop buying food if it got expensive and our mutual habit has been very cheap in Germany for a long time. I don't think paying 120 for an hour with a very pretty girl with great service is at all expensive.
No changes result for your review. You are entitled to your opinion but clearly some disagree. This club was being portayed as dead. It is not dead. There are still some very pretty girls to chose from and some have abandoned Hessen for Berlin (and are therefore fresh).
So quickly to tonight. More buzz about the club. Lots of girls I did not see last night. Contemplated a threesome with Jessica and Avia? Both German and great fun. Lilia was lovely but too heavy for me. Evan. Incredible nipples and very intelligent. A solid 7 pushing 8/10. The facially very attractive red head Anabel. But wait for it. She was too skinny for me! And her red haired friend. Also pretty and young. The three sisters were absent. Back from the past Elena. Blonde before. Stunning cheekbones and lovely lingerie but she is one who holds cock when being fucked which I loathe.
I can honestly say I was spoilt for choice. Very much wanted a session with the lovely Natasha (fishnets) but got the vibe it would be mechanical. Had a few beers, laughed a lot with a very tall girl who kept pulling my towel from around my waist in the bar (much to the amusement of several very nice Spanish guys) but ultimately selected a threesome for 1. 5 hours with Carla (again) and her friend Francesca. Brunette with glasses. Had a truly fabulous session, lots of laughs, lots of great sex, DFK from Carla was amazing (so it is available and I paid no more for it) and Francesca was another great service provider in the room. Left very happy and will definitely revisit Artemis without leaving it so long next time. Yes there are oldies, fatties, silicones and tattoos. More than elsewhere to be fair. But I remember once thinking the LU in Sharks was awful. To counter those negative options there remain lots of good ones and as I'm happy to have 2 or 3 great rooms with really lovely and sexy girls, it is still very much an option for me.
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07-18-19 21:10 #11233
Posts: 2207Actually in LR you'll pay 100 and in Acapulco you'll pay 80, without any pressure about extras.
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07-18-19 16:41 #11232
Posts: 955Originally Posted by PayForIt [View Original Post]
The young Romanian you rejected for age was a good move as skills are limited.
Put differently; most Romanians will provide you good service for long session plus CIM (they all must make something more than the time to be happy); Germans are a tough sell even in long sessions, be aware. For short half an hour sessions for 60 euro you have a very very low probability of getting serviced.
So decent service not great goes with spending 170 an hour as wrote previously a few times. But, you want get it from beautiful fresh girls normally, but older silicone Romanians. It makes a difference IMO.
Go Sharks, GT, Oase, living room, Acapulco and you'll pay 150 an hour with younger and fresher girls who will kiss you passionately. In Artemis that is not on the menu.
As a tourist, that visits every once in a while and willing to spend 170 an hour on that type of service you can have a decent night, not outstandingly perfect. Half hour customer have near zero chance to have a great time.
So happy truly happy you had a good time, but it doesn't contradict the basic premise of previous reviews.
1. Hardly any fresh girls.
2. Near zero chance for a good 60 euro session.
3. Old and silicone is dominant in Artemis.
4. For 170 an hour you can get decent service for mist those girls, but nit the German girls and at the moment Artemis has roughly 20 Germans.
No changes result for your review.
Hope you enjoy rest if the week.
Best regards friend!
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07-18-19 15:44 #11231
Posts: 155Originally Posted by PayForIt [View Original Post]
Many thanks man.
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07-18-19 08:04 #11230
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07-18-19 07:34 #11229
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07-18-19 06:14 #11228
Posts: 6471Cheerio!
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07-18-19 00:38 #11227
Posts: 1860The verdict
So, looking back at my previous posts, my last trip to Artemis was August 2017 so nearly 2 years ago. I headed my report then "not dead" to counter reports that the club had all but died.
In the past week I've been looking forward to my trip this evening but that dampened a lot reading many of the negative reports about the club from some seasoned members. Only one positive post from The Cane about a girl called Lilia was a cause for optimism. So here is what I found from a report on the ground.
1. Arrived 8 pm. Club very quiet. I had in mind that it is holiday season and that it is Wednesday (dessous) which I thought might kill numbers. It seemed correct.
2. Got food. Changed layout from last visit with food now at end of the room. Better set out but still pretty poor in quality and I will eat outside before returning to the club tomorrow. Which I shall most certainly do.
3. LU. The important bit. Sure, it is correct that there are many more shapes and sizes than in previous years, a lot of sillicone and tattoos. But in my view that was always there. There are far more older women there now but the overall impression given of it being a very tired, ugly line up, from my perspective, is wide of the mark. There are a lot of very doable girls in the club. There are lots of slim girls, and quite a few girls who are early 20's. Not as many as are late 20's / early 30's but enough. There was one girl I would have needed to see evidence of her age before going to a room with. She looked under 18 to me. I'm sure she isn't. And she was with her two older sisters. Yes - for sure and had it confirmed by other girls, but boy she looked very young indeed and as that is not for me I stayed clear. I did nearly session with her two other sisters but resisted. The options were more than enough. The club picked up by 10 pm but I hadn't chosen my first room. Remembered the very facially pretty and great fun Melanie (Ro. Dark hair) but her ass is a little heavy and she has no tits at all so skipped. Ended up doing only one fabulous room. More below. But overall, I'd say this was the most varied LU I've seen in Artemis. There were 5-10 women who would not score 5/10 being either very fat, old or very ugly. Not nice to say but true. Perhaps they would say the same of me! After that there were at least 30+ girls I'd score 6 or 7's. There were at least 5-10 girls who pushed at or achieve 8/10 status. IMHO there were no girls who scored 9's or 10's. But I'm pretty harsh on looks. Melanie is facially 8 out of 10 but her body brings the overall score down. But there were more than 10 girls I'd be very happy to session with based on looks, body and personality.
4. Was taken by a very tall blonde called Carla. Ro. Very nice eyes, very slim and really lovely sun-kissed body. Some but minimal tattoos. She was lovely to talk to. Sits on couches to left when entering the bar with her friend Francesca who sports thick glasses. Not as pretty but one of the 7's and a decent body. One girl I knew from old warned me off several very good looking girls telling me they thought they were all great performers and were known upsellers. Hard not to approach some of these who were actually very pretty and were in the 8's category. Carla was an 8 from the moment I saw her and had a great personality. Hour in the room. Early possible issue before the room was a reluctance to do BBBJ without receiving another 50 for it. I made clear that if she was not happy with 120 for 1 hour to include it, she wasn't for me. She didn't hold onto the argument and off we went. I had fully intended not to pop but just enjoy it and let the excitement build up, but this girl has 10/10 performance skills. Amazing BBBJ and very good at suggestions on positions. Silicones but it was hard to tell they were even when the bra came off and they felt natural in all positions other than doggie. Lovely big nipples (pierced. As were other places). Really fun girl. Added an extra and ended up agreeing 170 for that for 1 hour with the normal 50 extra factored into the price. Without it she was happy to do 120/ hour but I suspect she may have resisted BBBJ in that price. She was happy to include DFK (though we didn't really go for it much) and DATY which she appeared to enjoy. Her BBBJ and hand skills were off the scale and I couldn't prevent popping which she kept delaying which just made it incredible. At the 1 hour mark she hadn't finished me off and she told me not to worry. No more cash but was keen to finish the job. What was really impressive was her attitude at that point. Instead of rushing it (which I expected) she made a real meal of it, lots of delay, stopping etc and we overshot our time by a whole 25 minutes. I felt guilty and said I'd pay for the extra time. And she refused. Great gesture, she said she'd really enjoyed it and didn't want to rush it for me. What a clever girl not asking for more cash. Result? I gave her 220 anyway. For the terrific service, the extra included in the hour, the extra 25 mintues, and her fabulous attitude. I would definitely repeat and will struggle not to automatically gravitate to her tomorrow.
5. I asked reception if Lilia was in and was told not but that she could be tomorrow. Probably a ruse but I'm going anyway so I'll find out.
6. I thought parts of the club are looking in need of freshening up. But over the years I've never had a bad night in Artemis and this one followed that pattern.
I'll be back there tomorrow evening seeking out some of the 8's I didn't get to today. But safe in the knowledge that the club is far from dead, has several girls I'd very much like to see and the reports of the LU being so dreadful, IMHO, are exaggerated. I thoroughly enjoyed my trip to Artemis tonight and will return. It really is not as bad as has been made out.
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07-17-19 20:44 #11226
Posts: 645Originally Posted by ZimmerBaby [View Original Post]
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07-17-19 20:15 #11225
Posts: 9Originally Posted by Danny227 [View Original Post]
I will go to Berlin next month for the first time. Trying to decide whether go to Artemis or somewhere else.
I would appreciate any help.
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07-17-19 19:42 #11224
Posts: 363Originally Posted by PayForIt [View Original Post]
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07-17-19 18:31 #11223
Posts: 1860Innovation
Originally Posted by ZimmerBaby [View Original Post]
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07-17-19 17:49 #11222
Posts: 6471Praying for you man!
Originally Posted by PayForIt [View Original Post]