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[SexIsLove]

Here are some precitions for you:

1. Trump and the Repubs will win in 2020. Then the fun starts.

2. The US economy will be gangbusters through the second Trump term.

3. Ruth Bader Ginsburg will have a stroke and be comatose, but she won't resign. Never mind, Breyer dies and Trump appoints another judge.

4. Anything pending about Immigration hits the Sup Ct and the Trump Admin wins. Plus the Court prohibits nationwide injunctions.

5. Five more states legalize weed.

6. Xi is forced out and China starts playing nice.

7. The Brits join a trade market with the USA, Canada and Mexico.

8. The baht hits 35.

9. I'll be in Thailand 7 months of each year.

Hey is the Intercontinental or the Grand Hyatt girl friendly? I need 6 nights in a hotel before I move in, might as well use the benefits of the Trump economy Looks like the Orange Mussolini is getting me an Elite Visa too, thanks Badger Hair! Keep it up!

Yeah right. If Trump wins 2020 expect another 4 years of divide and rule for sure. With 1 trillion tax cut for the top 1% & corporations deficit is already projected to grow 4 trillion with this clown. And many middle class taxes actually went up because they put limits on the deductions for primary homes! This guy has run so many of his companies into the ground & filed bankruptcy many times. Who runs a casino into bankruptcy? Real talent needed there for that. I first hand know of old couples who lost their savings listening to BS advice from Trump university. I'm an independent basically but surely would like to know what his supporters are smoking. Haha And sure there was supposed to be the best health plan ever but then "who knew it would be so complicated" and let's not even mention the stupid medieval wall that Mexico is supposedly paying for.

[Robert Long]

Yeah right. If Trump wins 2020 expect another 4 years of divide and rule for sure. With 1 trillion tax cut for the top 1% & corporations deficit is already projected to grow 4 trillion with this clown. And many middle class taxes actually went up because they put limits on the deductions for primary homes! This guy has run so many of his companies into the ground & filed bankruptcy many times. Who runs a casino into bankruptcy? Real talent needed there for that. I first hand know of old couples who lost their savings listening to BS advice from Trump university. I'm an independent basically but surely would like to know what his supporters are smoking. Haha And sure there was supposed to be the best health plan ever but then "who knew it would be so complicated" and let's not even mention the stupid medieval wall that Mexico is supposedly paying for.

Trump will not win, he only has his deplorables and even the repubs in Congress will not support him once they see their constituents are against Trump. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

No one will be fooled twice. The economy started it's roll in 2011 before this bimbo was elected. The jobs he brags about are Mcjobs, shitty low paying jobs that most have to work 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet.

Everything the man says are lies. This is his style, he has lied to subcontractors and everyone in New York. He owes everyone money, which he will try to get out of paying by connecting them with someone in government.

His tax break for the rich has failed, they kept the money and bought their own stock back. The tariffs and duty deal with China is a failure, all of our soybean farmers are now on subsidies (welfare). Factories are closing in China because of the stoppage of exports due to the tariffs.

Everything this man touches turns to shit. DO NOT BELIEVE any of his lies.

RL.

[SexIsLove]

Here are some precitions for you:

1. Trump and the Repubs will win in 2020. Then the fun starts.

2. The US economy will be gangbusters through the second Trump term.

3. Ruth Bader Ginsburg will have a stroke and be comatose, but she won't resign. Never mind, Breyer dies and Trump appoints another judge.

4. Anything pending about Immigration hits the Sup Ct and the Trump Admin wins. Plus the Court prohibits nationwide injunctions.

5. Five more states legalize weed.

6. Xi is forced out and China starts playing nice.

7. The Brits join a trade market with the USA, Canada and Mexico.

8. The baht hits 35.

9. I'll be in Thailand 7 months of each year.

Hey is the Intercontinental or the Grand Hyatt girl friendly? I need 6 nights in a hotel before I move in, might as well use the benefits of the Trump economy Looks like the Orange Mussolini is getting me an Elite Visa too, thanks Badger Hair! Keep it up!

Yeah right. If Trump wins 2020 expect another 4 years of divide and rule for sure. With 1 trillion tax cut for the top 1% & corporations deficit is already projected to grow 4 trillion with this clown. And many middle class taxes actually went up because they put limits on the deductions for primary homes! This guy has run so many of his companies into the ground & filed bankruptcy many times. Who runs a casino into bankruptcy? Real talent needed there for that. I first hand know of old couples who lost their savings listening to BS advice from Trump university. I'm an independent basically but surely would like to know what his supporters are smoking. Haha And sure there was supposed to be the best health plan ever but then "who knew it would be so complicated" and let's not even mention the stupid medieval wall that Mexico is supposedly paying for.

[Nyezhov]

Here are some precitions for you:

1. Trump and the Repubs will win in 2020. Then the fun starts.

2. The US economy will be gangbusters through the second Trump term.

3. Ruth Bader Ginsburg will have a stroke and be comatose, but she won't resign. Never mind, Breyer dies and Trump appoints another judge.

4. Anything pending about Immigration hits the Sup Ct and the Trump Admin wins. Plus the Court prohibits nationwide injunctions.

5. Five more states legalize weed.

6. Xi is forced out and China starts playing nice.

7. The Brits join a trade market with the USA, Canada and Mexico.

8. The baht hits 35.

9. I'll be in Thailand 7 months of each year.

Hey is the Intercontinental or the Grand Hyatt girl friendly? I need 6 nights in a hotel before I move in, might as well use the benefits of the Trump economy Looks like the Orange Mussolini is getting me an Elite Visa too, thanks Badger Hair! Keep it up!

[DickBump]

Joke Scarborough has basically lost any credibility. He was Trump's biggest supporter prior to the election. Both CNN and MSNBC had Trump on their shows quite often prior to the election. That was when they didn't expect him to win. I can't even watch Morning Joe anymore because all they do is spew hate. Donny Deutsch is flat out insane. I don't think any of the morning cable news shows are worth watching.

Here's a discussion of Scarborough making an announcement about him leaving the Republican party in a effort to boost sales for a record he made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_FRmd7d7c

Post of the year. Whenever I need to build up my self esteem I just YouTube election night videos from MSNBC and the Young Turks.

Fuggin comedy gold.

[Smoothy]

But MSNBC's Morning Joe Show is hosted by a former GOP Congressman who led the charge and voted to impeach Bill Clinton and rarely had a good word for Hillary Clinton.

Joke Scarborough has basically lost any credibility. He was Trump's biggest supporter prior to the election. Both CNN and MSNBC had Trump on their shows quite often prior to the election. That was when they didn't expect him to win. I can't even watch Morning Joe anymore because all they do is spew hate. Donny Deutsch is flat out insane. I don't think any of the morning cable news shows are worth watching.

Here's a discussion of Scarborough making an announcement about him leaving the Republican party in a effort to boost sales for a record he made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_FRmd7d7c

[EihTooms]

Although Hannity is absurdly biased, so are MSNBC's Rachel Maddow and CNN's Don Lemon. All three are fake news. Hannity says nothing negative about the President and Maddow and Lemon say nothing positive about the President. It's ridiculous.

But The Five is a pretty good show. I have yet to find any show on the other networks that presents issues with appropriate discussions from both sides like that. If you can name one on CNN like that please let me know. Of course MSNBC won't have one, but that's a given.

I also like the Gutfeld show. It's a comedy, but they come up with some good points on occasion.

But Hannity's show is the only one in that group above with the word "NEWS" ever present on the bottom of the screen. And I assume The Five does, too.

FOX has always misled its audience in that way. And not only visually, but in words as well. When Hannity and O'Reilly before him touted their ratings, they blasted all other news programming as inferior to theirs because they ere the only "Fair and Balanced" news shows. But call them out on their lies and they retreat to "Oh, we're only an entertainment show, we're just expressing our opinion!"

I appreciate that The Five is an opinion/pundit show on Fox that allows a non GOP voice to be heard and express an opinion, although I still question the motives for presenting "both sides" of verifiable news items. But MSNBC's Morning Joe Show is hosted by a former GOP Congressman who led the charge and voted to impeach Bill Clinton and rarely had a good word for Hillary Clinton. I am sure when he sees or hears Trump doing or saying something positive, he gives him props for it. I have heard him do it. And Maddow always cites the name of the "other side" of an important news item that was invited on her show to give his or her version of it. Sometimes they show up, sometimes they don't.

Btw, the reason MSNBC doesn't have a straight news only show is because their parent company, NBC, already has a national evening news program for that. But Fox does not. There is no Fox Evening News on the regular national Fox broadcast channel at those times. Probably showing Jeopardy or reruns of Hogan's Heroes then. They do not want to be subject to the same standards of scrutiny for credibility as the ABC, CBS and NBC networks. If they were, their national news reports would naturally fly in the face and contradict what is being said about that exact same news item on their cable channel. Awkward.

[Smoothy]

And I guess I am puzzled why Real News needs to be given "both sides" unless there is an interest in promoting and elevating some lie or falsehood as equal to the reportable facts. FOX NEWS' biggest audiences are watching shows being promoted as NEWS that will likely never report much negative news about their favorite GOP figures, even when it is rather unprecedented news.

Although Hannity is absurdly biased, so are MSNBC's Rachel Maddow and CNN's Don Lemon. All three are fake news. Hannity says nothing negative about the President and Maddow and Lemon say nothing positive about the President. It's ridiculous.

But The Five is a pretty good show. I have yet to find any show on the other networks that presents issues with appropriate discussions from both sides like that. If you can name one on CNN like that please let me know. Of course MSNBC won't have one, but that's a given.

I also like the Gutfeld show. It's a comedy, but they come up with some good points on occasion.

[EihTooms]

You obviously don't watch foxnews because that's inaccurate. As I mentioned, they do have ridiculous shows like Hannity. However, there are lots of shows on Foxnews that report the news from both sides. I don't see that on any other network.

I like watching "The Five" on foxnews. I liked The Five better when Kimberly Guilfoyle was on there (hotty), but it's still a light hearted way of reporting and debating the news and I enjoy that. It sounds like you would like Shephard Smith.

I don't mind that the prime time FOX NEWS programming is dominated by ultra wingnut spin and easily debunked fake news. There is certainly a market for that on cable news and buyer beware. But they obviously make an effort to fool their viewers into thinking they are watching Real News instead of Trump/GOP campaign lies and blather whenever Hannity and the others open their mouth.

That is not what CNN, MSNBC and regular broadcast news services on ABC, CBS and NBC do.

Notice that there is a bug in the lower left corner of the screen telling the viewer that what they are watching is "NEWS" through every one of those pundit/opinion programs 24/7.

The other channels don't do that. They just identify their channel with their call letters and do not insist you take everything you see and hear on every program to be ABC NEWS, CABLE NEWS or anything of the kind.

But that isn't what FOX NEWS does when they could simply place FN in the lower left corner of the screen as its channel call letters.

That decision was, imo, an obvious a early Roger Ailes concept designed to mislead viewers with an ever present lie placed on their tv screen.

And I guess I am puzzled why Real News needs to be given "both sides" unless there is an interest in promoting and elevating some lie or falsehood as equal to the reportable facts. FOX NEWS' biggest audiences are watching shows being promoted as NEWS that will likely never report much negative news about their favorite GOP figures, even when it is rather unprecedented news. And if they can't avoid it, there will be some noodnik there with no facts but only a rabid opinion that everyone else is lying as though that is an admirable effort to present "both sides" to credible, verified facts.

[Smoothy]

By far the worst channel for "fake news" in the US is Fox.

You obviously don't watch foxnews because that's inaccurate. As I mentioned, they do have ridiculous shows like Hannity. However, there are lots of shows on Foxnews that report the news from both sides. I don't see that on any other network.

I like watching "The Five" on foxnews. I liked The Five better when Kimberly Guilfoyle was on there (hotty), but it's still a light hearted way of reporting and debating the news and I enjoy that. It sounds like you would like Shephard Smith.

[Goatscrot]

In my opinion, it's pretty easy to pick out what is actual news and what is just narrative regardless of the source. Unfortunately, CNN is almost all narrative these days and very little true factual news. MSNBC has always been just narrative pushing their liberal agenda, but at least they make no secret of that. CNN actually tries to pose as a factual news network, which they are not. Foxnews has shows like hannity which just push the conservative narrative, but they do have some unbiased shows as well which I don't see on the other major cable networks. I prefer watching full raw footage of events, listening to debates and discussions from both sides of the argument, then making my own decisions rather than listening to how any of the news outlets try to spin things.

I find these types of interviews and debates interesting because they actually present both points of view. A channel like CNN never presents the conservative point of view in an educated manner.

Munk debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYimeaoea0

Politicon debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2SDFwu_JR8

The US media is corporate and serves corporate interests. I don't consider any US media to be truly left leaning. When you compare them to media outlets in other developed nations CNN and MSNBC are center right at best. FFS, the Dems in the US are a center right party. I'm certainly hoping the new progressives can push the US a bit more towards the center soon. By far the worst channel for "fake news" in the US is Fox; that is if you can even call it news. It's like listening to Howard Stern. It's amazing entertainment.
We live in a post-truth world.

[Smoothy]

BTW, are those linked sources really where you go to sort out the Fake News from the Real News?

In my opinion, it's pretty easy to pick out what is actual news and what is just narrative regardless of the source. Unfortunately, CNN is almost all narrative these days and very little true factual news. MSNBC has always been just narrative pushing their liberal agenda, but at least they make no secret of that. CNN actually tries to pose as a factual news network, which they are not. Foxnews has shows like hannity which just push the conservative narrative, but they do have some unbiased shows as well which I don't see on the other major cable networks. I prefer watching full raw footage of events, listening to debates and discussions from both sides of the argument, then making my own decisions rather than listening to how any of the news outlets try to spin things.

I find these types of interviews and debates interesting because they actually present both points of view. A channel like CNN never presents the conservative point of view in an educated manner.

Munk debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYimeaoea0

Politicon debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2SDFwu_JR8

[Franciscass]

It doesn't matter that 3-4 days later Bush and his fellow Republicans came out and said, "Hey, folks, come on back! We were only kidding.

I am not an American although I follow its politics and as an investor its imperative to know what is happening to the markets there.

I am apolitical although one cannot but be disgusted by the behavior and values of some individuals who get elected to the highest ranks of public office.

ET I feel when discussing consequences of a particular event it is prudent to leave political partisanship out of the discussion as it clouds sound reasoning. I may be wrong but in your somewhat not easy to follow post it seems that you are blaming Bush and the republicans for the shenanigans of Monday Sept 29 when in fact the bill failed to pass because a third of the democratic members of the house voted against it. Don't forget they held the majority after the 2006 midterms 233 to 202.

It was only 2 days to the Wednesday when the senate passed the bill at which time it was generally accepted with the revisions the house would pass it too.

While some details were changed the objective of the bill remained the same to put a floor under the financial system to stop it from collapsing altogether with the ensuing possibility of another great depression.

Was what happened in this relatively small time frame in a crisis which had been brewing for months and months on end, years if you go back to the beginning of the housing collapse the cause of the subsequent fall in stock markets worldwide?

On that ET we will have to agree to disagree.

[EihTooms]

Yep, most of the mainstream media can't be trusted.

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BTW, are those linked sources really where you go to sort out the Fake News from the Real News?

[EihTooms]

Yep, most of the mainstream media can't be trusted. I was at this particular rally chanting CNN sucks. Good fun. CNN the next day made it seem like it was an angry mob and that Jim Acosta was in danger, but in reality we were having a good laugh. Then again, CNN is fake news so it wasn't surprising. They don't report the news anymore, they report their narrative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMzJsw3eFRQ

CNN fake Muslim protests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1gR37Wwakw

Top 4 reasons CNN is called fake news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfW_ogd0ZM

Top 10 fake news of 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REPFH2V_EYo

How about the current one where the Dems are calling Trump a racist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCkt57w3Uu0

ABC fakes crime scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YwIkknxE8E

This one just makes me laugh since Don Lemon is such a hypocrite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LulNAEeTsrc

NBC blows up truck for fake news story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fslEpQGw0M

No doubt, mainstream media and niche media can and do shade and spin to fit an agenda. The agenda is more often than not just to attract more eyes and ears to their product, not to promote a political side. But economic data isn't a matter of mood, political bias or opinion. Someone can shade and spin all they want. But until the data is shown to be false, having been fabricated for some reason, it is what it is.