East China - Shanghai

[Midwestern]

Gents, we are all trying to cope with the crackdown and have to pay more for less and face increased risks as bonus. Reading members' reports on MPs, I just wonder why not see QQ girls. I know this is not as easy as going to an MP, but has many advantages in the current situation: 1. Almost all girls provide FS, 2. No price haggling and inflated costs (most girls ask 500-600, a few even 400), 3. Relative safety since they operate out of their homes and move around a lot and 4. Variety of girls.

Would like to hear experiences of other members.

I've done incalls to indies a bunch of times, both in Beijing and Shanghai. The main problem for many of us is that these girls mostly live in low-end complexes and so we (especially foreigners) stick out like a sore thumb as we walk around the complex looking for the right building (one time I was turned away by security, another time the guard yelled something at me and I just yelled some gibberish back and ignored him, and another time a guard just simply asked me my nationality (he said: nali ren? But yeah, I admit almost all guards do not care at all, but you also get the other residents staring at you, and finally, dick size is only half the reason why the girls are afraid of foreigners, the other more important reason is that they don't want their neighbors to see a white, black, or brown guy walking into their apartment, so you may get turned away by them. Incidentally, I didn't realize these girls move around a lot. That actually scares me even more. I used to think it was safe because I knew where they lived. Now that I know that they are mobile, that makes them less appealing to me. It means I could get beaten up by their guy friends and they can then disappear. Finally, I heard from someone who tried this and he said none was worth repeating with. I guess it would be fun if I had plenty of time during the day or evening, but I don't. Nonetheless, it's good that you reminded us of this option. It's not for me, just like J and M is not for me, but I'm sure it's helpful to others.

Thanks for the information. That's a very good hint. Luckily I have not given an answer. I know what to say next time now. "Sorry buddy, I do not tip girls. Should I?

Just say nothing. People ask me stuff as I'm leaving all the time, and I just ignore them.

[Member #4689]

Gents, we are all trying to cope with the crackdown and have to pay more for less and face increased risks as bonus. Reading members' reports on MPs, I just wonder why not see QQ girls. I know this is not as easy as going to an MP, but has many advantages in the current situation: 1. Almost all girls provide FS, 2. No price haggling and inflated costs (most girls ask 500-600, a few even 400), 3. Relative safety since they operate out of their homes and move around a lot and 4. Variety of girls.

Recently I have been rather inactive since my favorite providers have (temporarily?) left town and my new contacts proved just ok during the height of the crackdown (June 4th). But I checked the local website and just added around 10 girls for future play (will be out of town next month). Here some examples:

http://www.aishxs.org/forum-52-1.html

Now, this way of mongering requires familiarity with Shanghai and some Chinese skills is definitely helpful, but it can be done and be lots of fun. But you need to invest some time to find the gems, especially if you go for the lower priced girls. See also my earlier reports on some QQ/WC operational issues.

One thing to keep in mind is that the photos are ALWAYS heavily beautified and you can meet a 'different' girl when she opens her door and hopefully pussy for you LOL!

One crazy experience: went to see a new girl and after she saw that I am foreign (always try to keep that hidden when making the booking since the girls are afraid of 'size') she said that she first had to do a 'dick test' to see if I was not too 'big' LOL. While we were standing in the apartment (dressed) she then pulled my shorts and started to stroke little bro who quickly became rock hard due to many days of neglect. When she saw that my little companion was not of the dreaded size, she still wondered if she would service me. But money talks and she demanded payment upfront. Since I have learned over the years to never pay upfront I left the place, also due to her overall attitude and looks. I then quickly traveled to another part of town to see another girl who provided much needed relief.

Would like to hear experiences of other members.

Stay safe!

[MaxyBBJ]

I texted my regular girl there just now. She said girls arent allowed to receive tips. I guess the 496 price is supposed to include HJ? Anyway, that guy was making sure that you didnt tip; he wasnt making sure that you did tip.

Thanks for the information. That's a very good hint. Luckily I have not given an answer. I know what to say next time now. "Sorry buddy, I do not tip girls. Should I?

[Midwestern]

But, something strange happened: before to exit the building at the cashier desk, right after I have paid, I have got the guy at the entrance asking me if I have tipped the girl. I answered I cannot remember and left.

I texted my regular girl there just now. She said girls aren’t allowed to receive tips. I guess the 496 price is supposed to include HJ? Anyway, that guy was making sure that you didn’t tip; he wasn’t making sure that you did tip.

[The Guy]

Hi Guy,

You mean get a real GF, hook up with girls at the bar, flirt with waitresses, etc? Good luck, man. But for me, I don't want to go that route because of the drama that always follows. And I find that they are oftentimes more expensive, haha. You ever try getting the MP gals' WeChats? Many of these girls live in crappy apartments, and are willing to meet you at their place for FS before their shifts start. Given that you know where they work, it seems safe, and is therefore another viable option. This is how I mainly survived the recent crackdown. By meeting MP gals at their homes.

Yes, that's more or less it. Right, we pay for sex in order to say bye with no drama. Problem is, mongering getting so pricy and complicated that I find it easier to pursue ordinary girls. I do meet ups for Chinese wanting to improve English, then try to meet privately. Of course, Chinese birds want to believe sex was an unplanned accident so have to play along with the farce.

[MaxyBBJ]

Yesterday in a moment of sadness I have decided to go back again to the MP in Madang. Yu massage now. Well, same thing at the entrance, that is 496 for the body treatment. Luck, or not, I have got the same girl of the other day who, BTW, is not that bad. Good massage and good ending style. She also gave me a discount, if I can call it like that, and she accepted a 200 kuai tip this time. So 100 less than the first time. So looked like a better situation respect last time.

But, something strange happened: before to exit the building at the cashier desk, right after I have paid, I have got the guy at the entrance asking me if I have tipped the girl. I answered I cannot remember and left.

Sincerely I did not liked that question. May be I am too suspicious, but I think they will not see me for sometime.

Enjoy.

[MaxyBBJ]

If you do the mongering stay-cation, let me know the hotel especially, and how it went with it. I used to stay in the 268 Motel (I think it's a Ji Hotel now) near People's Square. But it is so small, and so I became a familiar face quickly. So I started using larger hotels, such as Highton. Sometimes I'll splurge and use a 5-star hotel. Most recently, I've been using Longmont.

That's fantastic! Thank you for sharing this! You opened a new world to me. Thank you also for the hotel names, I will share if I find any good one too. Actually now should be a low season for Shanghai, so it should be the right time for getting good hotels.

This morning I was talking with a friend who is just back from Thailand. He said there is paradise. Believe it or not, those few times I have been there, I was not able to test the offer there. I hope one day I have the opportunity.

[Midwestern]

At this point, it's just less work and worry to seduce ordinary Shanghai girls. So for the most.part, I'm now out.

Hi Guy,

You mean get a real GF, hook up with girls at the bar, flirt with waitresses, etc? Good luck, man. But for me, I don't want to go that route because of the drama that always follows. And I find that they are oftentimes more expensive, haha. You ever try getting the MP gals' WeChats? Many of these girls live in crappy apartments, and are willing to meet you at their place for FS before their shifts start. Given that you know where they work, it seems safe, and is therefore another viable option. This is how I mainly survived the recent crackdown. By meeting MP gals at their homes.

[The Guy]

Midwestern,

I suspect you're probably safe with your hotel stays. In general, Chinese LE goes for low hanging fruit. With hotels, wechats and payment not linked to identify (at least not too closely), you're probably safe. It's why people park their bikes next to bikes with weaker locks. Crooks (and Chinese LE) go for the easy one. The guys they get in a raid or with evidence in wechat tied to their identity doc.

Problem is, it's just getting too expensive and cumbersome to monger in Shanghai, compared to any period in the city's history. I don't want to spend 100 bucks on an unnecessary hotel room just to stay in the game safely. At this point, it's just less work and worry to seduce ordinary Shanghai girls. So for the most.part, I'm now out.

[Midwestern]

Hahaha. I love that! The monger-stay location is an ace job! I have to do that too. I have to figure out a couple of things and then is my next task! Will keep you posted.

If you do the mongering stay-cation, let me know the hotel especially, and how it went with it. I used to stay in the 268 Motel (I think it's a Ji Hotel now) near People's Square. But it is so small, and so I became a familiar face quickly. So I started using larger hotels, such as Highton. Sometimes I'll splurge and use a 5-star hotel. Most recently, I've been using Longmont, which goes for about 550/ night. It's a large hotel, so nobody pays any attention to anybody, so you can meet the girl on the 2nd floor or just waltz in together from the lobby. Nobody cares. My old MO was to book for 2 nights. On the first day, after I check in and pop a vitamin "see", I book two girls, one for early afternoon and one for late afternoon. Then go home for dinner. For the next day, I channel my inner Samcan and have 3 dates (morning, early afternoon, late afternoon), and then I check out of the hotel early, and go home for dinner (I will admit, however, that after the 1st date on the 2nd day, I usually am spent, and so I'll just swim in and workout and then check out). My MO lately is to spend that 2nd day with a "GF", who is usually an MP gal that will take the day off and spend it with me (but for 2000-3000 kuai, LOL), and that's bliss, man, just stay in bed all day, pleasure each other, nap, then go for round 2, nap or order room service, then maybe another round, or whatever, and then check out.

I usually book with the Trip app on my phone, and so I can pay with WeChat on my phone. No bank record. But one thing that I worry about, in the back of my mind, is that these hotel stays are all going on my "permanent record" with China's big brother.

[MaxyBBJ]

As a foreigner, I've never been allowed to book a Hanting Hotel. And I don't think foreigners are allowed the hourly access and rates anyway. However, there are plenty of other cheap hotels (such as Ji Hotel, 268 Motel, Ibis Hotel) that go for about 200-300 rmb for overnight stay.

Hahaha. I love that! The monger-stay location is an ace job! I have to do that too. I have to figure out a couple of things and then is my next task! Will keep you posted.

[Midwestern]

I agree with you. Today I planned to go but then just changed my mind. Cannot believe that! And I think too now NLO is the go-go. I have to find an hourly hotel because I have issues to use my apt.

As a foreigner, I've never been allowed to book a Hanting Hotel. And I don't think foreigners are allowed the hourly access and rates anyway. However, there are plenty of other cheap hotels (such as Ji Hotel, 268 Motel, Ibis Hotel) that go for about 200-300 rmb for overnight stay. Surprisingly, the Highton Hotel next to the Hilton Hotel has an overnight rate of about 330, and it's a pretty good hotel, but the location sux because it's almost in the middle of nowhere. Finally, I wouldn't try asking the girls to book the ST hotel. These days, girls do not want to do it, because they do not want a bunch of ST hotel bookings on "their permanent record" and it's not 100% easy for us to sneak into these hotels because they are very small hotels. One time, when I snuck into one, the front desk called the room and asked me to register. (I guess they had nothing better to do than to watch their security cameras.) I said I did not have ID, and then they asked for a bribe. So, I just took off. Another time, I was simply stopped from entering (the person asked me for my room key, and I didn't have one, and then he asked me which room I was going to and I didn't reply, and so he told me to go away). What I do these days is book a 4 star hotel for several days that goes for around 300-500, and then I meet a couple of girls each day. I never sleep there. I do this maybe about once a month or once every two months. It's a mongering stay-cation, LOL.

[Midwestern]

I'm not living in Shanghai but visiting frequently. I have been to some MPs over the time which seemed non-legit (with massages which sounded interesting and are priced in the range of 398-498 RMB) but then got disappointed when I only got a (sometimes quite good) legit massage.

So I thought it's easier to share experience which MP offers which service rather then everybody doing to tour to find out (that's what I thought is this forum about).

Anyway, I decided to head for the last MP I had before the crackdown (1565 Huashan Lu) and I can now confirm they have exactly the same offer as before - 258 for the massage, +100 for the HJ.

(For more details see post 13203 - http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2320474).

Near to 1565 Huashan is a Shanana attached to a Crowne Plaza Hotel. They have a spa menu and massage menu. For a HJ, you have to order from the spa menu. Cheapest option is 600. For an okay HJ, girl may ask for 1000 tip if you are obviously a foreigner, but will always finally agree to 500. If you say no to 500, they sometimes do not care and will let you walk away, believe it or not. I am able to get some down to 300, but most of the time they do not allow roaming. Obviously, most of their guests are from the hotel, and tourists way overpay because they do not know the drill or are nervous. Girls there are 5's and 6's, Near to the Crowne, on 390 Panyu, there is a Fuquan. Again, order from spa menu. Cheapest option is 400. Tip is 300 for a mechanical HJ that lasts for 2 minutes. Girls there are 3's and maybe some 5's. The main perk about this place is that they have showers in the room. I've been to the both since the reopening, but I haven't been back since because I decided it's not worth it. Also, I'm tired about haggling. The days of paying 268 with NO TIP for KB treatment at 78 Changshou Lu are long gone.

[Mi Se]

I don't understand why you don't just pop into a nearby MP and see what happens? It seems like you live here, and not just passing through for a couple of days. So you have the luxury to explore. Ever since the MPs have reopened, I have walked into over a dozen. You can quickly tell if it's legit (for example, the menu might include ear cleaning, all the women look like Shrek, and the most expensive massage is 68 kuai), and if that's not what you want, then walk out. I've gotten serviced at 6 different places so far. But nothing worth reporting about. Massage prices ranged from 398 to 888. Extra services ranged from mechanical HJ for 300 tip with zero roaming, to something BARELY naughtier for 500 tip. My experiences were all blah, or ridiculously stupid expensive. Today, I had a lot of free time, and I didn't even bother going to an MP, even though I was bored as hell.

I'm not living in Shanghai but visiting frequently. I have been to some MPs over the time which seemed non-legit (with massages which sounded interesting and are priced in the range of 398-498 RMB) but then got disappointed when I only got a (sometimes quite good) legit massage.

So I thought it's easier to share experience which MP offers which service rather then everybody doing to tour to find out (that's what I thought is this forum about).

Anyway, I decided to head for the last MP I had before the crackdown (1565 Huashan Lu) and I can now confirm they have exactly the same offer as before - 258 for the massage, +100 for the HJ.

(For more details see post 13203 - http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2320474).

[MaxyBBJ]

Yeah, prices are ridiculous now. 800 for massage plus HJ. Jeezus. And I'm not going to buy a membership card. Who knows when they'll get shut down and I'm not sure I want to be carrying a membership card to an HJ MP on me to begin with.

I agree with you. Today I planned to go but then just changed my mind. Cannot believe that! And I think too now NLO is the go-go. I have to find an hourly hotel because I have issues to use my apt.