Bangkok Reports

[Catire]

Completely agree with Mr. Chizzle re "Caveat Emptor". It seems that many people constantly forget this iron law of P4 P, along with YMMV.

Re Mr. Tooms and the discussion with Mr. Croc, I'm sorry Mr. Tooms, though I am in some ways a "fellow traveler", I think you are being at least somewhat disingenuous.

You, more than anyone else should really know that "do everything for you". (a very common line) means "do everything, but you wear a condom and you don't put it in my butt".

(frankly, I actually assume, oral or an attempt at such, a massage, and standard vaginal but covered sex in positions you want) (that's what a typical Thai girl would consider "everything")

Cannot comment on CIM, but I'll take Mr. Tooms word for it.

So, when I hear "make you happy, do everything for you", and all such and related lines I already KNOW that it means covered (sometimes even for oral, so I would immediately check on that) and I know it means no anal.

Many of these girls speak limited English, this is a standard line, they all learn from each other.

I will often playfully raise my eyebrow and say "anything / everything " ???? And then often the qualifications come out and I laugh and say "but I thought you said "everything". And the girls with a sense of humor will chuckle about it as well. Sometimes when so challenged they will nonetheless will repeat "everything", and being the skeptic that I am, I will of course say, "anal"?? and that is immediately shot down. LOL

So please, everyone. When you hear "everything for you, to make you happy", blah blah, it means covered and it means no anal. Or best said. Assume that, and if you want more, then very directly and specifically inquire about "additional service (s)".

And Mr. Tooms knows this is true, I am merely an occasional visitor and it did not take me long to learn this. He knows better.

[Byron2001]

Not surprisingly, I disagree that I broke the deal and stiffed her. In terms of sexual satisfaction, she broke the deal with me. She said she would make me happy for 2,500 baht without asking what that meant to me. As far as I could tell anything and everything I wanted, up to me, was on the menu. She had plenty of time to say otherwise before we left the bar, outside the bar and on the taxi ride to my room. I was willing to forego FS entirely without pressuring her by accepting a conventional option, BBBJ+CIM, which she agreed to do, quite enthusiastically I might add.

Is BBBJ+CIM considered standard service among Thai hookers? I would say the majority of Thai hookers I have met in go-go bars, in the clubs, on the street, etc include BBBJ+CIM on their menu. And, once agreed upon, I submit only half-assed pretending to give a BJ for 6-7 minutes, ignoring or refusing to adjust to some simple motor skill moves to accommodate what works for me and clearly trying to change the subject every other minute would not be defined by most as "good faith" or keeping her side of the deal.

Aside from that particular incident, the girls tell me punters are constantly asking them for BBFS. I have no doubt the girl I took from Thermae has been hit up for it many, many times. I would therefore submit that as long as the girls know that is a service much desired and likely to be asked for by their customers who want to be "made happy", it is 100% on them to start addressing it before or during their sales pitch or else they are playing games with the issue and not presenting their offer to "make you happy" in good faith..

I have to say of all the posts that I have read through the years yours has been the only one that I thought upsetting enough to register just to answer it. I've been scammed by girls not delivering on what was promised with really shit attitudes, poor service, doing the runners etc but I've just accepted it as a part of life and carried on. That's going with the flow. You learn to be smart by not paying the girls upfront and negotiating quite clearly what they are up for and the consequences if they don't perform. Seeing how you behaved I can understand why girls want upfront payment now.

[Kickoffs]

Pronunciation lessons in Bangkok thread. Great.

Use a translator as it will phonetically spell it out and likely more accurate than what you'll find here.

[T Chizzle]

Gents,

TLDR; Farangs not that high in the clientele chain; one action of another could cause disagreeable effects for others; hate barfines; Thermae 2.5 k average price; you should be able to find someone in Bangkok.

Here are some insights based on my recent discussions with some working girls here in Bangkok. Some of you who are pros in the city may agree and are probably aware already; some of you may have differing opinions. This is just my personal observation and Bangkok report based on my recent time here in the city.

Based on my impression from what I gather, the pecking order for how the Thai girls would prefer the ethnicity of their foreign clients are (in order): Japanese, Korean, Westerners (farangs), Chinese / Arabs / Indians; Westerners are unfortunately just slightly better than the Chinese. Strange; considering the majority of tourists here are the Chinese, but I guess these Thai girls still don't see them in good of a light as you would think. And I'm not certain whether or not the Arabs / Indians would fall below or above the Chinese; their issue seems be related to lack of personal hygiene.

Unfortunately, any past negative encounters caused by a certain race of clients causes future repercussions and possible negative assessments for future clients from whatever ethnicity that caused the negative experiences. Just as we (mongerers) have an avenue to 'gossip' online and on these forums, these Thai girls also like to gossip and relay feedback to their friends about their experiences with different types of clients. I hate to get myself stereotyped for possibly being a potentially bad client based on a previously bad experience that someone else (who happens to be of the same ethnicity) has caused on a girl; and now her friends' friends' friends might have the same prejudice. But this is the reality here it would seem; getting prejudged based on other experiences unrelated to you. And something that I learned here in Bangkok is that if the girl quotes you anything more than 3 k, then most likely she is not that interested in going with you.

I've always approached this hobby with a 'caveat emptor'-like mentality. Although I can't control mutual chemistry or a girl's performance (and have encountered several bad experiences in the past in different parts of the world), some things that I can control are my personal attitude and respect towards the girl and choosing someone that physically attracts me. By only choosing attractive girls, I know that I've limited my potential to find more good performers. What I mean is it's in the same way that someone using Tinder swipes right to all photos; they've increased their odds for mutual connection. Whereas I would only swipe right to only girls that I actually find attractive; my odds become less. In the same way with connecting with pros, I'd like to have both attractiveness and good performance. Though based on the great number of pros working in Bangkok, there's definitely potential to find those hidden gems that provide both attractiveness and good performance. So far in Bangkok, I've only had a couple bad experiences. But for those bad experiences, I think I was able to leave a neutral to positive impression for the girl (even though my experience wasn't all that great). There's only so much I can control.

Something that I'm not too fond of here is this gogo barfine system; seems rather pimp-ish to me. I'm coming from the German FKK system of things. And with the FKK way of things, paying an entrance fee to use a facility (sauna, pool, etc.) seems more reasonable. Whereas here, I'm paying some fee that seems ridiculous (at least I feel like it's ridiculous). Maybe if by paying the barfine also meant free alcoholic beverages or something, then I'd probably be okay with it.

Another visit to Thermae gave me a chance to casually talk with some of the girls. Anytime a girl approached me, I would say that I was married and was only there to drink and observe. This allowed some time to have some simple conversations with the girls. 2 k-3 k is what I was being quoted by the girls I talked with and I tried to hit all areas of the room to determine if there were any great pricing gaps. I don't know if getting one of these girls (initially) under 2 k is possible. I think you would have to establish some kind of long-term rapport with the girl and become her regular before that's possible. From what I've seen on the 'Sideline'Finfin' sites, the girls are offering services (to their Thai natives) at an average of 1. 5 k. Also the clientele at Thermae is definitely close to 98 percent Asian. If you're a Farang, I would say that going to Thermae would make you definitely stand out in the crowd and you may be considered lower in the pecking order as an ideal client.

But overall and based on the great number of pros working in Bangkok, there's definitely potential to find those hidden gems here in the city that should meet your expectations.

TC.

[D Cups]

You dared to challenge Syzygies?

He has more than 12000 posts and he knows.

What are you thinking Smoothy?

People say what D cup to me all the time!

[Ixgzca]

Yeh they get very used Farangs that cannot even pronounce Sawat Dee Khup. Its actually far closer if you say "What Dee Cup?" "Crap" does just not cut it and sounds quite silly.

Can be "Cup" or Crup but Crap is clearly bad pronunciation to the Thai listener, even if not to you. Subtle vowel changes are unnoticed in English, but destroy Thai words.

Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.

Is it news that foreigners have an accent when saying Thai words and that Thais have an accent when saying foreign words? What's the world coming to? 😂😂😂

[EihTooms]

Props to you for not giving her all the money in advance. That never works out well.

On the other hand, BBFS is NOT a standard service. IMHO, pressuring a young woman to risk her health (and possibly life) for sake of a few minutes of your pleasure is just plain wrong. If you agree to it in advance, I guess that's fine, but if you don't, you can't expect it. As for the BBBJ, she seems like she had the will, but no skills. She did give you a BBBJ, crappy as it was, and she did not try to back out of the deal, you're the one who finished the session after she refused BBFS.

Personally, I think 1000 baht is more than enough for what you received. However, if you agreed on 2500 baht, I think she acted in good faith (albeit was not a good performer), you broke the deal and stiffed her. The experience will certainly encourage her to insist on money in advance from other punters.

Not surprisingly, I disagree that I broke the deal and stiffed her. In terms of sexual satisfaction, she broke the deal with me. She said she would make me happy for 2,500 baht without asking what that meant to me. As far as I could tell anything and everything I wanted, up to me, was on the menu. She had plenty of time to say otherwise before we left the bar, outside the bar and on the taxi ride to my room. I was willing to forego FS entirely without pressuring her by accepting a conventional option, BBBJ+CIM, which she agreed to do, quite enthusiastically I might add.

Is BBBJ+CIM considered standard service among Thai hookers? I would say the majority of Thai hookers I have met in go-go bars, in the clubs, on the street, etc include BBBJ+CIM on their menu. And, once agreed upon, I submit only half-assed pretending to give a BJ for 6-7 minutes, ignoring or refusing to adjust to some simple motor skill moves to accommodate what works for me and clearly trying to change the subject every other minute would not be defined by most as "good faith" or keeping her side of the deal.

Aside from that particular incident, the girls tell me punters are constantly asking them for BBFS. I have no doubt the girl I took from Thermae has been hit up for it many, many times. I would therefore submit that as long as the girls know that is a service much desired and likely to be asked for by their customers who want to be "made happy", it is 100% on them to start addressing it before or during their sales pitch or else they are playing games with the issue and not presenting their offer to "make you happy" in good faith.

In a world where they know one of if not the most desired and asked for services among their customers is BBFS, Thai hookers who pitch their wares with stuff like, "I will make you happy, no problem, anything, everything, up to you, don't worry", and just leave it at that without clarification and then do NOT offer a means to provide BBFS in the room are not acting in good faith. They are scammers.

I have had several girls say, "Everything, except BUTT SEX!" lol. Good for them. It proves they really do know how to include or exclude anything from their "Everything" sales pitch if it really does matter to them. If they don't also say, "Oh, and must wear condom for boom boom", then I am going to assume those girls aren't all that concerned about it. At the very least, I will conclude they want me to assume the most often requested service (by their own testimony), BBFS, is on the menu.

Let those scammers ask for all the money upfront. Only the suckers will comply and those suckers will get educated pretty fast. The rest of us will either try to help the little lady feel a bit better about proceeding by paying a much smaller amount upfront or (the really smart ones) will refuse to pay them anything at all and boot them out with nothing. Not the worst possible outcome for all concerned, imo.

[Crocodilexp]

I just did not feel like getting into the whole condom condom condom discussion on such a pleasant, relaxed evening with the weather so comfortable and all (I can fuck only without a condom). So I just smiled back and said ok. She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok.

In the room, she sat on my couch, opened her purse and asked me for the 2,500 baht now. Nope. I'll pay after, jing jing, really.

Big smile, "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand. And you will finish me inside your mouth? "Yes, no problem. I want to make you happy. You are a good man and hansum. I like you very much. Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that. Then we don't need to talk about condoms anymore, right?

Props to you for not giving her all the money in advance. That never works out well.

On the other hand, BBFS is NOT a standard service. IMHO, pressuring a young woman to risk her health (and possibly life) for sake of a few minutes of your pleasure is just plain wrong. If you agree to it in advance, I guess that's fine, but if you don't, you can't expect it. As for the BBBJ, she seems like she had the will, but no skills. She did give you a BBBJ, crappy as it was, and she did not try to back out of the deal, you're the one who finished the session after she refused BBFS.

Personally, I think 1000 baht is more than enough for what you received. However, if you agreed on 2500 baht, I think she acted in good faith (albeit was not a good performer), you broke the deal and stiffed her. The experience will certainly encourage her to insist on money in advance from other punters.

[EihTooms]

Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. If more punters did, we'd all have a much better time of it. Too many dudes would just pay her the 2500 and she'd continue to hock that poor skill set.

Thanks. I believe most punters she has encountered must have been fine with fully covered FS and nothing more. To each his own. And for them, I suppose they wouldn't see anything "poor" about her skill set. If I had been fine with covered FS, I might never have noticed or taken it to a point where her poor skill set was an issue.

But I felt it necessary to start sticking to my guns on this bit where the girl pitches herself with things like, "I am very good, I will be good for you, I will make you happy, agree to pay me 2,500 baht and I will show you." LOL. Great! Nothing more needs to be said, then, right? Count me in for that.

Why is it now on me or any other punter for whom what happens in the room really does matter to negotiate further, to parse every word and syllable, to list, review, compare and contrast every act and move in detail just to make sure her idea of "happy" and "good for you" isn't miles away from what I am sure she hopes I will assume she means? Sure, if she had then said in the bar, "I mean I am good, will be good for you and will make you happy as long as you are happy wearing a condom for fucking and don't want me to do anything else," I would not have agreed to those terms. And I am guessing she knows all but the lowest demand customers would not agree to those terms. But she didn't say that.

Of course, this particular method of sticking to my guns in order to either be "made happy" in the room for the agreed upon amount of money or I will only pay a notably reduced amount for what I did get works best in a FL situation like Thermae. It isn't going to work that well if at all in a venue where it is Pay Upfront. It isn't going to work that well where you have already laid out an 800-1,000+ baht barfine and bought 800 baht worth of ladydrinks for a girl. If I give a girl in a situation like that another 1,000 baht for the same thing I gave the Thermae girl 1,000 baht, now I am out almost 3,000 baht if not more just to DATY and feel the inside of her mouth with my dick for 5 minutes. Not a good plan or a risk worth taking, imo. lol.

Before I commit to taking a girl from a place like that I would generally have to negotiate more details upfront and stick to my guns about not paying her fee in full if she doesn't deliver. Wish I didn't have to do it that way. But these days I do.

[Goatscrot]

I wasn't particularly horny tonight but had a free night from the current regulars, went out for a walk in the very pleasant weather and thought I'd stop in Thermae around 9:30 PM for a quick soda and look around. The Asian Customer River was flowing pretty thick in the usual circle around the bar about that time. I made two cruises around in the River, got several big smiles and nice comments as I passed both sides and, yes, also a few averted gazes as I smiled at some of the better looking girls, said "Hello" in Thai and got zero response in terms of a smile back or a verbal reply. No biggie. I was mostly there for the soda and people watching.

I planted myself in the middle of the bar, occasionally sipping my soda and realized a well put together girl on the left side kept working it to get my attention. She was sending me a smile and a nod but seemed to be trying to be very careful about not attracting attention from the Asian Customer River cruisers while doing it. Like she stepped back a bit in her position in the left side line up and did her best to keep this little facial communication between the two of us as private as possible. It was kind of cute, actually. Of course, a couple of times I checked behind and around me to make sure it was actually me that she was "talking" to instead of some dude standing behind me. I hate it when I make a funny face and smile back to a girl across the room and it turns out she isn't "talking" to me at all. LOL.

She wasn't what I'd consider among the top 5% best lookers in the bar. But she certainly fit right in on the left side as among the better lookers who are usually on that side. She had all the Left Side Thermae basics in order; young, tallish, light skin, slim, well proportioned, good, even facial features, well quaffed, upscale looking compared to most FLs in the general area.

Ok, I was more or less on my way out anyway so after about 10 minutes of this I walk over to say Hi. Again in a slightly conspiratorial style but loud enough for me to hear, she says her name is Jane, that she really likes me and assures me she is very good and will take good care of me. I had decided a few months ago that I would not take another Left Side Thermae girl unless I had negotiated everything within an inch of all our lives before taking her. But for whatever reason, this time I just did not feel like getting into the whole condom condom condom discussion on such a pleasant, relaxed evening with the weather so comfortable and all (I can fuck only without a condom). So I just smiled back and said ok. She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok. I was now committed to "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" regarding anything and everything that could possibly provide a finish for me. That is, either BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM. It was just a good night to see if there was anyone in Thermae or strolling along the street worth adding to my regulars stable I suppose.

Anyway, the whole time on the short walk to get a taxi and the several minutes we were in the taxi she kept saying how much she likes hansum man, only takes one customer per night, so happy she met me, she will be very good to me, blah, blah, blah.

In the room, she sat on my couch, opened her purse and asked me for the 2,500 baht now. Nope. I'll pay after, jing jing, really. "Oh, please, please, please, I need to know I will get money." Again, such a relaxed and pleasant evening. God, but confrontations of this kind are so boring in this country. I just wanted to "go with the flow", eat her pussy and "see what happens" tonight. Ok, sweetheart, here's 1,000 baht for now. I'll give you the rest after we boom boom or you give me a blowjob. "Ok, good. Thank you. I like you. No problem. I will be good for you."

After we each showered, separately at my request since she wanted us to shower together (I am just not into sex in the shower and would rather avoid setting the stage for it), she came out wrapped in a towel and right away started with the condom condom condom talk. I told her well, I can't boom boom with a condom but I have had a vasectomy (said it in Thai) and always get a medical check. She said, "Oh no, can only boom boom with condom." I said no problem (and really meant it), then you can give me a blowjob, ok? Big smile, "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand. And you will finish me inside your mouth? "Yes, no problem. I want to make you happy. You are a good man and hansum. I like you very much. Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that. Then we don't need to talk about condoms anymore, right?

So this is going to be an Oral Sex session. I'm good with that. And, who knows, we're still in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode. It could lead to her changing her mind about demanding a condom for boom boom. I've heard that happens a lot out there these days.

It didn't happen this time. She seemed to absolutely love DATY. So many of them do. Faking it? Maybe. But again it was, "Ohhh, you good man. You very good. I like you too much. " Then, "I suck you now. I want to make you happy."

Yep, you guessed it. She was totally incapable of coordinating the mouth and hand movements in the same direction instead of the Taffy Pull move where the hand is moving in one direction and her mouth is going in another. Totally incapable of slowing the goddam hell down. Totally incapable of giving a blowjob really. Or, more likely, totally incapable of wanting to give me a blowjob. After about 6-7 seemingly interminable minutes of trying to show her how to move her hand and mouth in the SAME DIRECTION rather than in opposite directions, asking her as gently as possible to please for the love of god slow down, she pulls out an unwrapped condom from somewhere nearby and says with a smile, "You put this on we boom boom, ok?" No, honey, I told you I cannot boom boom with a condom. "We boom boom if you wear condom." No, if I wear a condom I cannot boom boom. "You no want to boom boom?" Oh, I love to boom boom. But I cannot boom boom wearing a condom. No feeling. Dai mai (cannot). "I have condom. We boom boom ok? I want."

End of session. She showers and gets dressed. She is still so chirpy and happy I am certain she thinks I am going to give her another 1,500 baht to go along with the 1,000 baht I have already given her. But I am not going to do that. Eventually, as I am slipping on my shoes to walk her down to the front door of my apartment building, she says with a smile, "You give me money now?" Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom and you did not give me a blowjob or take good care of me. I gave you 1,000 baht for what we did (I ate her pussy to what seemed like a pretty damn good finish. Wish I'd been her to feel that.), I will give you more only if we boom boom or you give me a real blowjob the way I told you to give me. Silence. It was such a relief not to hear the word "condom" again. I was tempted to give her a 100 baht tip just for that. But I fought off the temptation and won.

I walked her down to the ground level of my building and out to the soi. She asked if I would walk her to an area where there were taxis. Being a gentleman, of course I would and did. During the whole 5-6 minute walk, she kept asking if I would give her more money, 300 baht, for a taxi. Or more money in general. I said no problem, I would be happy to give you more money, 1,500 baht more money plus taxi money if we boom boom or if you give me a blowjob to a finish and take good care of me like you said you would. She wouldn't budge and neither did I. Off she went in a taxi. I suppose this might be one night she did have to return to Thermae to pick up a second customer. Oh well. Still, getting 1,000 baht just to have your pussy licked by a good, hansum man isn't a bad way to make a living. The weather really was perfect for a nice walk tonight.

Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. If more punters did, we'd all have a much better time of it. Too many dudes would just pay her the 2500 and she'd continue to hock that poor skill set.

[Red Kilt]

Who the hell ever says "what dee cup" in English?

You dared to challenge Syzygies?

He has more than 12000 posts and he knows.

What are you thinking Smoothy?

[Turgid]

She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok........................ She said, "Oh no, can only boom boom with condom." I said no problem (and really meant it)....... "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand..............Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that............ "You put this on we boom boom, ok?" No, honey, I told you I cannot boom boom with a condom. "We boom boom if you wear condom." No, if I wear a condom I cannot boom boom. ............. But I cannot boom boom wearing a condom. No feeling. Dai mai (cannot). .................... "You give me money now?" Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom ....... I gave you 1,000 baht for what we did.................

The aforementioned speaks for itself.

[Goatscrot]

Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.

In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.

So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.

Is it just "the call of the 'strange' " LOL.

Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle.

Can also confirm that Thai face / culture dictates that if she doesn't really want to go with you then she will jack up the price (which is her way of letting you know she's not really interested, but leaving you "face".

The girl I know regularly does this to Asian customers too. I then asked her, but what if he's willing to pay it? Her answer is, then she has to go with him.

I always pay the going rate with this girl I know. I don't think she'd ever give me a discount. She has serious bills to pay / lifestyle to uphold and that's why she's there LOL.

But. Our time is never rushed. And I get BBFS, the catch being that I have to get her off too. Ever since the first time, when she was multi-orgasmic with me, now I have to compromise (almost follow her demands LOL) on positions, technique, etc when I'm doing her "just right". but LOL All in all, not an unfair bargain.

P.S. One time I was standing with her outside and another girl walked up, and the "talk" was that she had done 6 short times that night LOLOLOL.

So dick size aside, what's really meaningful here is 3 K for 3 minutes. (or ok, even 13 minutes).

Catire, Some dudes roll that way. I never have. When I first came to BKK and gals were really plentiful, I would rarely repeat. If I did repeat, it would be at least couple of months if not a few later. I could have a "regular" back home. I never saw the point of it.

I never had the want to "get to know" the P4 P gals I was doing. In 20 years I have never taken the contact information from any of the working gals I've banged. I want to choose, head to the room, have a PSE / GFE, shower, and be on my way. Like riding a roller coaster, "Gee, that was fun; let's go on a different ride. " The "regulars" I've had were oily gals and I would only do each of then once every 6 weeks to two months and that was only because the talent level started to slip. Some of my friends have been the stable of gals types. One guy used to refer to them as his "rotation." Even he eventually saw that dwindle and a few years back said he saw his rotation of many turn into a rotation of 1 and then a rotation of none.

Most of the time after a ST at the PB hotel back in the day, I'd pop up right after the deed (who wants to cuddle, you have to do that crap back home), hit the shower quickly before the gal, give her money, and be on my way, and she could shower and leave at her leisure. Jeez, many times we never even exchanged names and that was fine by me.

In addition, I have a live-in GF of over a decade that I am very fond of and whom I get along with amazingly well, so I don't invest time or a lot of effort in other gals. We don't keep tight reins on each other in the least, but don't think she'd like me having a mia-noi or even a regular.

The online thing takes a lot of time. I really don't have the temperament or patience for it. I know guys that spend hours and hours every week on Thai-Friendly and other sites. I honestly have better things to do with my time.

I've said it a million time on here. The beauty of Thailand was gals were cheap, plentiful, and easy. Minimal effort was required. Bangkok had a wonderful seediness and edge to it. It was rough and unpolished, not so developed. It was not a town full of fancy shopping malls. There was one Starbucks at Amarin Plaza. There were guys on fat expat packages, farang teachers here to bang gals and make a bit of scratch, a few of us early semi-retired dudes, a few random Japanese (most were confined to Soi Thaniya) and pretty much all of us doing chicks (as opposed to today where the majority of young western expats don't engage in P4P). You walked in a venue, walked down Sukhumvit after 9 pm, and gals would grab and proposition you. And it cost peanuts. Eating at the best restaurants in town cost about 25 USD. No one worried about staying long term as visas were easy. Always a lot of options. As long as you did not hurt anyone and did not get involved in drugs, you could stay and have a pretty easy time of it. You could live a five star life on a three star budget and that was the entire point of being here. It was a close to paradise as you could get. It is why we chose Thailand over other places. Sadly, all of that is over.

[Smoothy]

Yeh they get very used Farangs that cannot even pronounce Sawat Dee Khup. Its actually far closer if you say "What Dee Cup?" "Crap" does just not cut it and sounds quite silly.

Can be "Cup" or Crup but Crap is clearly bad pronunciation to the Thai listener, even if not to you. Subtle vowel changes are unnoticed in English, but destroy Thai words.

Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.

Who the hell ever says "what dee cup" in English? "What the crap" is actually something people say in English and it works. The entire point is to use a phrase that people can remember. It may sound closer to the real term saying what dee cup, but that's not something someone easily identifies with. It's also not as funny to say and get away with. I often get a good laugh when I say what the crap and they think I am saying hello. Cheap humor.

I notice that when Thais who can speak English write the phrase, they put Sawat (or Sawas sometimes) dee krub. Krub? Doesn't sound that way to me though when they say it. Sometimes they put krap.

Also, to say "thank you" in Chinese, you can say "shit shit" quickly without annunciating.

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Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.

Pa Thai ya and Poo kit, yes?