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08-02-19 14:04 #45898The connection between delivering whatever the customer wants and financial success in the P4P biz makes for an interesting conversation ET. From your experience there is a close correlation, personally I feel while that is part of it there is more.
Originally Posted by EihTooms
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Certainly girls who do anal, rimming CIM and multiple pops on top of the standard package can command a premium but BBFS which I know you need I feel is not necessary to include in their skill set to work at the high end of the market.
For me what's needed to make the big bucks is yes a flexible inclusive range of services but more importantly a personality to go with that. Looks, dress style, grooming, an appreciation of good food and music but above all good language skills enabling interesting and interested intelligent conversation.
The girls who are most successful I believe are those with have repeats from a string of big spenders who value their company just as much as their blow job.
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08-02-19 12:07 #45897Thanks for response from you and Catire. I don't think I will go back but if I do I will go a bit later and maybe check out Rainbow. Going out with a 7-11 girl tonight so hopefully that goes well. Out in Bang Bo so that will keep me out of the tourist spots which is good in light of the recent bombings. Originally Posted by EihTooms
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08-02-19 11:37 #45896
7-heaven? More like 7-hell
Visited this place on Monday the previous week and I'll say it was the Originally Posted by Biffduff
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worst experience ever. Never have I meet such a rude and insulting
reception staff.
The reception woman, a plump woman with dyed red hair who I will
for brevity refer to as TFRB (the fat red-haired beast) from now on,
insulted both my girlfriend, who just came in to pay for my session,
and myself in one of the worst ways you can insult someone in Thailand,
by referring to me when she thought I could not hear/understand as an "it"
("man" in Thai).
Upon entering the place with my girlfriend, the first words coming from
TFRB, shouting across the room, were "no massage here!". Since my gf
and I have been to a few similar places already, we expected some mild
surprise and possible confusion from the reception staff upon seeing my
gf and me entering together, but we have never had a rude welcome before.
My girlfriend and I were taken by surprise by the anger in the TFRB's
voice, but my gf answered in English that I was there for a blowjob.
TFRB then shouted at my girlfriend "ok, but you get out!". My girlfriend
explained politely that she was there to pay for her boyfriend (me).
TFRB then said "ok, you pay, then get out".
I said we wanted to see the girls first.
TFRB answered "no, cannot see. Now she (pointing at my gf) must get
out!". I said again I wanted to see the staff first. TFRB said we have
to pay first. Then if I don't like, she will give me the money back.
For reference, at both Wood bar and BIT style, you see the girls first,
then if you want to choose one, you pay. If not, you leave.
My gf then paid and TFRB took out an ipad where I she said I could choose
amongst the girls. "Only three girls now". I said I wanted to see
the girls for real, not just photos. This TFRB refused.
Said "cannot. Choose from photo". I said if I cannot see, I would like
to get the money back now, as I was expecting the photos to be
photo-shopped into something not recognizable. TFRB gave the money back,
and we turned around to walk out. I hoped she would change her mind when
she saw me walking and let me see the staff in real life rather than
lose a customer, but she did not. Instead I changed my mind and said,
ok, let me see photos then.
My gf had as this point already walked outside, more than a little annoyed
by the obnoxious behaviour of TFRB. As a reference, my gf has treated
me to similar sessions multiple times at both Wood bar and BIT style,
and has always been welcomed with polite, albeit surprised, behaviour
from the women manning the reception there.
I asked TFRB to show me the photos then, but she responded I must pay
first. I asked her how my gf could pay when you told her to get out
already? She said my gf can come inside and pay, then get out again.
I went outside to ask my gf to come in again. As we walked back in,
we could hear TFRB talking bad about me in Thai to staff hiding behind
the counter.
After my gf had paid again, TFRB finally handed over the ipad so I could
chose amongst three women, while telling my gf again "you get out now".
All three girls, at least as far as photos were concerned, looked decent
enough, and so I choose a girl called Nui.
TFRB then went behind the counter and said one of the rudest things you
can say about anyone in Thai: "man luak Nui", which means "it chose you.
You have to work." Not "he" chose you, but "it". In Thai language,
as in English, it is extremely rude to refer to a human being as "it"
of course, and ill-tempered Thai men have shot others dead for saying
something like that to them.
For reference, my gf later asked me later what girl I choose and I showed
her Nui (https://www.7-heavenbkk.com/nui) from the website of 7-heaven
which anyone can access from anywhere. The same, and more, photos are
available on the website for anyone to see. Btw, when Nui appeared,
she did not look much like the photo at all and I would have preferred to
chose another girl, so as feared, the reason they do not let you see the
lineup in real life is because the lineup in real life looks much less
pretty than their photo-shopped pictures. They also look a lot less slim.
Not sure what the purpose of not letting my gf see the photos on the ipad
with me when she can see the same, and more photos, on her own phone by
going to the public website, but I guess there's some logic there that
escapes me at the moment.
Anyway, the rudeness of the fat red beast aside, I was still hoping for a
decent session with Nui, as I hoped the plump woman manning the reception
was just an angry ***** whose poor demeanor would not necessarily reflect
on the staff (I was wrong).
Nui started of friendly enough, so I tried to quiz her a bit about the
woman in the reception. Obviously TFRB could not be the fabled Som from
"Som's haven" who's service-minded staff there have been many posts about,
and I can't imagine that anyone with an iota of customer care in mind would let
such a beast as the red-haired woman mind the reception, so I wondered
if indeed the reason the red-haired beast was manning the reception was
because she was the owner.
I expressed my question in a more polite way to "Nui" and wondered why
TFRB was so angry, but Nui brushed it aside. I then tried to ask if
TFRB was the owner, to which Nui responded "no", but I'm not sure if
she was being truthful or not.
Anyway, not expecting to get any useful answer from Nui, we proceeded to
the BJ.
Nui first washed junior in the sink they have in the room, and then
started servicing me decently well with a BBBJ for about 15 minutes,
sucking and slurping away as you have it.
After about 15 minutes, I stood up from the table-like thing they have you
sit/lay down on and let Nui continue servicing me while I was standing up.
After a few minutes standing, Nui asked me if I was finished? I was,
for the second time at this establishment, taken a bit by surprise from
the question. I looked at Nui a bit dumbfounded and asked her why
she would think that? But she just asked again "you finished now?".
My GF also had a chuckle when I told her this later, but I unfortunately
had to disappoint Nui by telling her I had not finished yet, so she
somewhat reluctantly continued with her job. After a few minutes of
standing, I felt the need to relax my tired legs and lay down again,
and let Nui continue her services while I was laying down.
A few minutes later, Nui started saying something about if I had
"finished now? Limit 40 minutes. Finish now?"
I was feeling a bit of an annoyance from being interrupted by this stupid
question again. Does she think she will not know when I have finished?
Does she expect me to ejaculate a soft, barely noticeable, puff of oxygen
into her mouth when I come? I answered Nui politely that it's not 40
minutes yet.
There was some back and forth with Ms. Nui and me about this, and in
the end she excused herself to go "ask boss". I spent a few minutes
contemplating, life, the universe, and everything, while waiting for
Nui to come back.
When Nui came back she told me "ok, 10 minutes more." Well, I let
her service me for five minutes more and then finished in her mouth.
She cleaned me up and I exited the shop, never to return unless someone
can tell me the red-haired beast manning the reception is gone.
Will I repeat: No No No. Nobody should have to be insulted in this way
by some fat woman who seems to hate her customers, and from what I can
tell with my very limited experience of this place, the mood of this
beast affects the girls providing the service too.
Anyone know if she's the owner of this place? If not, and someone knows
the owner, feel free to let the owner know she has lost at least one
customer who is a regular at other BJ bars due to the foul best manning
the reception. Nobody in Thailand refers to other people as an "it"
("man" in Thai) unless the speaker is really at the bottom of the totem pole
as far as manners and social grace is concerned.Last edited by Werqweq; 08-02-19 at 11:38. Reason: formatting
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08-02-19 07:58 #45895
Several bombings in Bangkok today
Maybe keep your visits to the Red Light districts to nearby destinations today and tonight if possible. Closures on tap? Could be. But I have not seen that in a report yet:
Six bombs explode in Bangkok as city hosts major security meeting
By Euronews with Reuters last updated: 02/08/2019
https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/02/...ded-in-bangkok
Thailand: Multiple bomb blasts hit Bangkok
Six explosions, one near a famous skyscraper, have hit Bangkok just as US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo attended a regional security summit. Unconfirmed reports suggest that other devices were found across the city.
https://www.dw.com/en/thailand-multiple-bomb-blasts-hit-bangkok/a-49859694
Bombs found at BTS station, other areas in Bangkok
UPDATED: 2 AUG 2019 AT 13:35
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1723399/loud-bangs-at-bts-station-other-areas-in-bangkok
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08-02-19 06:40 #45894I have known several Thai P4P girls who did live a pretty good life at the time and also managed to squirrel away enough money to start and succeed in business at the end of their working years (even well before the end!). And I know several others who don't have two satang to rub together after their Sell By date had passed. Moreover, all during their working years the former group always seemed to have plenty of expense money on hand, never called me for an "Emergency Loan" and would more likely as not be booked for the night well in advance and I'd have to call them early. By contrast, the latter group was always scratching around and calling me at all hours for the 500 baht that stood between them and the end of the world for themselves and their family. Originally Posted by Franciscass
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These two groups of girls were generally all born with the same natural resources fine enough to overcome any requirement for "skilled labor" in order to pay their bills and set themselves up for a comfy older age. In other words, they were within the same general range in terms of natural born good looks, brains and education opportunities.
However, there is one big, BIG difference between that former and the latter group; The former group, the ones that made good money and stocked away enough to provide for themselves and their family later kept their pussy's shaved or very short and well groomed, never balked at what I wanted in terms of a Real Sex True GFE boom boom and were willing and able to listen to and comply with the simplest instructions for how to deliver a great blowjob for me to a wonderful finish. I have no reason to believe they prepared themselves for and treated most other customers any less well.
Again by contrast, the latter group, the ones that never had enough money to pay their already dirt cheap bills and are today looking at a bleak, grindingly poor future now that their Sell By date is long past were more often a hassle in those departments.
I honestly don't think it is a wild coincidence that the ones who TRIED and DID do what customers want and are willing to pay more money for, and more often, made a lot more money and found themselves living a much more pleasant life at the time and have a more promising future while the ones who mostly had a vendor cart full of lame excuses to sell for NOT doing those things made shit money overall, lived a much shittier life at the time and are now looking at a really shitty future financially for themselves and their family.
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08-02-19 06:12 #45893I concur with Catire's statement on the cost. And I would add that 8:15 PM is very early to be there. Last time I was there late last year I left the bar you mentioned about 11 PM because I had a date with a girl coming to my apartment. There were a couple of dozen girls in there at that time. I hear even more show up closer to Midnight, but I can't say that from first hand experience. I found the girls' behavior there to be about as impersonal and distracted by whatever is on their phone, chit chat with servers, waving at new incoming customers and so on as I have ever felt in the worst Nana or Soi Cowboy bars. And I'm talking about when they were giving me a lapdance! LOL. Originally Posted by TripleX
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One ok looking girl who plopped herself down next to me uninvited actually got offended, confrontational and threw cold water on her chances of ever being barfined by me when I dared to speak briefly to her in Thai because, she said, she wanted to practice her English with me. The one girl I spent the longest time with could not speak a word of English, had no interest in me teaching her English and exhibited just about every warning sign not to barfine her unless I was going to be delighted with the most basic, standard fare or worse for 2,500 baht. Combined with the fact that we were expected to Pay Upfront for the whole thing, I suppose I could not get out of there and back to my room for a great first time meeting and LT with an even lovelier young lady for less than 2,500 baht fast enough.
However, I assume there is a way to get around that Pay Upfront system if the girl really wants to be seen walking out of her bar with a farang and do her job in the room well enough to warrant a tip above that and, wonder of wonders, earn a repeat invitation for even more money down the line. So I might drop in there again someday to see if that is possible. If it isn't, then I would probably carry on just fine without another Saphan Kwai visit for the next few years.
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08-02-19 05:42 #45892Been to T-Det, and can confirm that 2500 paid beforehand is standard operating procedure. Originally Posted by TripleX
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IMO you need to speak reasonable Thai to have a good time there and with the girls. (and even then YMMV).
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08-02-19 03:05 #45891Rich local Thais are weird. Originally Posted by Nounce
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08-02-19 03:01 #45890Well I do for one. Believing in the concept of gender equality, feminism is certainly inconsistent with misogyny a prejudice against women. As to questioning expressing that on a sex forum for mongers you may need to elaborate. Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1
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08-02-19 00:14 #45889I agree we can have difference opinions because we have different experiences. If you try to read my post in the context it is written, the meaning maybe different, and I do not mean to be harsh. There is nothing wrong to enjoy life regardless circumstances. Originally Posted by Franciscass
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Some of my observations:
I know a bar girl who won lottery so she quit her job to travel. She came back to the same job after traveling for a year or so. She still has the money so I joke with her that she should pay me because she is richer than me. I know this is just an unique case, it is not representative of all.
You know the massage places, the types that rich Thai locals go to, it like 2000+ for an hour without sex. One can negotiate with the girl in the room paying extra for full sex, often it will be accepted. What does this tell you?
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08-01-19 20:47 #45888
Very odd
I have little or no doubt that most girls or lads anywhere in the world would not join the P4P biz if there were real options and alternatives to earning a reasonable living wage to meet their needs. All you have to do is read their stories or talk to them to know this. Profiles projecting them as being lazy, looking for an easy way to having their I Phones and designer clothes as a generality is not the reality of their lives and in my opinion reflects a misguided misogynist prospective.
Does anyone disagree that only a "feminist" would use the "word" misogynist, on a sex forum for mongers?
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08-01-19 20:21 #45887
Ssphan Kwai
Headed out to Saphan Kwai for something different. First time there. Went in T-Ded 99 first. Got there about 8:15 pm. I was the only customer. Only 2 girls that I could see. They were putting on make up. No girls dancing guess it was too early. I got set up with a white skin girl from Chiang Mai, 27 years old. 210 Baht for a LEO for the girl and Soda Water for me. 2500 Baht for short time includes cost of hotel which girl paid for. Lots of tip pressure from server and papasan guy. Girl was nice enough and had a good set on her but started complaining about pain, switch positions same thing, she started with BBBJ but she wanted to finish me with a handjob. Before hand she was talkative (in Thai) and let me get a couple pictures. I wasn't that into her and not interested in a hand job so just cut things short. Not a great experience there.
I left ST Hotel and walked by RCA and saw a cute girl sitting outside. Asked her name and the tout outside invited me in. Well it turns out that either that girl doesn't go with falang or doesn't go at all with customers. I was at RCA at about 9:30 pm. The girls rotate one at a time on the stage. I was the only customer. When I went inside the one girl on stage was dancing for no one which seems kinda weird. Hard to know how many girls they have because they came from the back and there were never more than a couple inside the lounge area at a time. Lighting is terrible and its hard to have a good look at the girls until they are up close. I got brought out a girl one at a time but knocked the first 2 back. Then they brought a very wispy girl with a shy demeanor and braces which I took a liking too. She was 21. One large bottle of LEO was 320 baht. ST was 2500 baht including hotel which the girl paid for (same Hotel New York Suites). Good session with this girl including CIM. Whole experience was better and more laid back at RCA.
Feel free to let me know if I paid the going rate for those that are familiar with these joints. If you are thinking of going I think you will be disappointed. Neither girl spoke English nor did any of the staff except for one annoying guy at T-Ded 99. Pretty depressing overall and my imagining it would be chock full of 18-22 year old stunners was way off base. Maybe I didn't visit the right places, was there too early or maybe it is better on weekends. Expensive night out for me. I rarely pay that much but it was a place I had wanted to check out maybe a few years too late though. Most people will be much happier with the selection and quality of girls in Nana / Soi Cowboy.
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08-01-19 18:20 #45886Your best bet is to go to Pattaya. Pattaya has 4-5 Indian discos full of Uzbek ladies. Try Nasha. Pm me if you need contacts of Uzbeks in Pattaya that don't cheat customers. Originally Posted by Fasbiranwar1
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08-01-19 16:34 #45885
Kasalong and Lolly's closed tonight
Just walked by Kasalong and the BJ bar around the corner from it tonight. Both places were closed. A lady standing nearby said all the girls went to a party. Must be a hell of a party. I've never seen that before.
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08-01-19 15:50 #45884
Craigslist Cambodian GIrl
Guys this is a shot in the dark, but I had some very good times with this girl (pic attached).
She advertises on Craigslist but I lost her contact and can not find her.
Would appreciate it very much if someone can share her info with me again. She called herself "Dana" when she was with me.
She is Cambodian / Khmer but works in Bangkok.
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