Budapest

[Hilvar]

Don't know the girl but from what she says on her website would say she is not bulshiting. Her price for a girl in Budapest is a little steep.

I think that the category you are using here, "a girl in Budapest", is too much of a simplification.

The main focus of this topic in on the typical or "standard" incall girls well represented on the two major sites, and while they still may vary a lot in their background, attitude, appearance and service quality, such rates would be very "steep" among them indeed, exactly because of the standards of this "mainstream" category. But let's take a look at the second most discussed market segment in this thread, the so-called pornstars. I have written my opinion several times about this segment and the way they are promoted here, so it should be clear by now that I'm not a big fan of this category. However, there are always people who believe that their rates of 300-350 euros (or even more, and often even rounded out with some juicy commission to a middleman) are justified, and of course I would note challenge their right to feel like that.

But here we are clearly talking about another category that is different from the mainstream girls: the category of independent part-time escorts, speaking English and perhaps other languages at a much higher level than it is expect able even in the best case from "ordinary" girls (and about a much wider set of topics, way beyond the sexwork lingo), girls of erudition in many ways, typically with an academic (university) background, who in the best case look gorgeous and sophisticated at the same time to be your partner in a fancy restaurant as well without their job or status being obvious at the first glance, and who in addition meet only one or two clients a week (or even less) and therefore their time is more valuable and should be better paid then that of a girl who typically receives several clients a day. (Of course this should be compensated with a more devoted and personalized attitude from the girl's side as well). Now supposing that this kind of profile offered in a particular advertisement is valid (including appearance, attitude and the sophistication and level of the services provided), would you still qualify such a rate, which is somewhere halfway between the ordinary girls and the porn girls, as "steep"? These girls are working in Budapest in the range of 150-180 euros, which is certainly higher than the ordinary or usual hourly rates in the city, but still much lower than the so-called pornstars' rates. And as far as I am concerned, if I were to take a chance in a "higher" category, I would rather take a look around in this segment, as I consider the opportunity of more added value and better price value ratio there for my preferences. (This is not the first time that I'm writing about this topic, but now I've tried to get it together in a more comprehensive form). So finally, I think that the question with such ads is rather if they are reliable or not, while the reason for existence of this (perhaps niche) category with such rates seems justified to me. And about the reliability of such ads and how to filter them, well, perhaps the next time we can discuss it as well, now that's it for this post, again a bit longer then what I meant when I started to write it (imagine a smiley here) But one thing is for sure, calling them collectively as fake is just as amateurish as falling for an ad using Mila Kunis' photos.

[Hilvar]

Also, are emojis / smileys not allowed? So far, admins seems to have purged my posts of them.

Yes, it is quite obvious that the forum does not allow emojis and smileys (sometimes I'm missing them, too, we just got too accustomed to using them).

[AlanXL]

And if not, you've got no recourse. Moreover, it pisses you off and spoils the evening. You can't fuck when you are angry. If you are a regular, why not to trust you? What happens if you see the lady in person and she differs from her photos? What happens if she reneges on the agreed and does not perform? Maybe the agency has to pay you in advance to show up, why not? Of course, someone may seduce you with so called PSE, or a pornstar with miles of dicks to the Moon, but why not to choose a younger fresher girl with less mileage? Questions and questions. Just ask Mr. International on this forum will he pay in advance or even worse, will he send a deposit. LOL. We both still get ST for 20 quid on occasion.

In my occasion the agency asked me for a deposit only the first time. After that they didn't ask again because they knew who I am. It makes a sense in big cities where girls have to pay £100 for a taxi to come and go but I don't think it applies to Budapest and especially if you staying in a hotel were they can call and confirm your name.

[Questner]

As a general rule I agree that you don't pay in advance anyone with one exception. I live in the outskirts of London and made a booking through a known agency. The agency asked me to deposit a small amount of 20 as a guaranty. I made the deposit and everything went well. Of course this applies to large cities like London, Tokyo etc and for people that live away from the centre.

And if not, you've got no recourse. Moreover, it pisses you off and spoils the evening. You can't fuck when you are angry. If you are a regular, why not to trust you? What happens if you see the lady in person and she differs from her photos? What happens if she reneges on the agreed and does not perform? Maybe the agency has to pay you in advance to show up, why not? Of course, someone may seduce you with so called PSE, or a pornstar with miles of dicks to the Moon, but why not to choose a younger fresher girl with less mileage? Questions and questions. Just ask Mr. International on this forum will he pay in advance or even worse, will he send a deposit. LOL. We both still get ST for 20 quid on occasion.

[AlanXL]

http://doxyspotting.com/map/

Very interesting map. I didn't know existed. The accuracy though is not good. In London only 1 out of 4 is correct.

[FlAdventurer]

As a general rule I agree that you don't pay in advance anyone with one exception. I live in the outskirts of London and made a booking through a known agency. The agency asked me to deposit a small amount of 20 as a guaranty. I made the deposit and everything went well. Of course this applies to large cities like London, Tokyo etc and for people that live away from the centre.

If it was a known entity like Ani Blackfox that has a great reputation and knows the players.

[AlanXL]

No, you don't advance money to anyone, anywhere, ever. You see what you like, get the deed done and only after you pay.

No guys and no referrals needed to have fun.

As a general rule I agree that you don't pay in advance anyone with one exception. I live in the outskirts of London and made a booking through a known agency. The agency asked me to deposit a small amount of £20 as a guaranty. I made the deposit and everything went well. Of course this applies to large cities like London, Tokyo etc and for people that live away from the centre.

[Questner]

http://doxyspotting.com/map/

[Questner]

There have been some pretty good reviews of girls from rossy on here, but none of these so called elite girls. You need to ask why. Review the blog on mongering in Hungary, it will help you understand what is going on. Also, before you advance money to anyone, check thoroughly to make sure you aren't basing that investment on guys with very low post count with zero reviews. Ask for referrals on at least 5 senior mongers that actively post. You will be glad you did. Enjoy Budapest, it is an awesome city and great place to monger.

No, you don't advance money to anyone, anywhere, ever. You see what you like, get the deed done and only after you pay.

No guys and no referrals needed to have fun.

[Il Drago]

I am truly humbled by all the great answers from you all. Thanks a million, your insights will definitely come in handy and make my trip that much more enjoyable. I only wish I could meet and thank you guys in person and, at the very least, treat you to a drink (or whatever floats your boat).

If all goes as hoped, expect reviews on a number of girls that offer a variety of services once I return from Budapest. Hopefully there will be something for everyone's taste.

You are welcome. Listen to everyone's advice, but decide by yourself. I believe in freedom of choice. Read carefully all the posts with the advice & than decide which ones will be the most valuable to you. After all no one will be there to hold your hand in Budapest. You will have to do it on your own. You can easily meet people from this great forum, all you have to do is to buy subscription. Once you are subscribed you will be able to get & send private messages from / to other members. That is how you can arrange a meeting with any member of this forum in Budapest or in any other city. I strongly suggest that you subscribe, it will be very beneficial for you. It is really nice to meet people from this forum in person / live. As a local I am very connected, not only in mongering. I am connected in all walks of life. For example, I know a very good bookeeper & a lawyer which was helpful to some members of this forum who wanted to start a business in Budapest. It is a good thing to have friends. Friends are the family you choose.

[FlAdventurer]

Add me to the list of mongers that have paid girls for excellent introductions. It works to have an introduction in this hobby as in all meetings in life. And looking at it from a monetary angle, a less than 5 minute phone call for 5.000 forint equates to 60.000 forint an hour for her time. It is silly for someone to post in their infomercial that this is not a good technique. This is much better than paying 60-100 euro's for a guide.

And it is even better coming from a gal that just saw you and can provide up to date info on you as a monger. It takes away a little of the mystery of who you are and what you are like as a monger.

[Karibuu]

I am truly humbled by all the great answers from you all. Thanks a million, your insights will definitely come in handy and make my trip that much more enjoyable. I only wish I could meet and thank you guys in person and, at the very least, treat you to a drink (or whatever floats your boat).

If all goes as hoped, expect reviews on a number of girls that offer a variety of services once I return from Budapest. Hopefully there will be something for everyone's taste.

[FlAdventurer]

The question that was asked was would it be better to call girls using a Hungarian SIM, which based on my experience I told him that more girls would answer his calls compared to using a non-Hungarian number.

The matter of paramount importance in this situation is that using a Hungarian SIM card will result in more girls answering the phone. He didn't ask anyone where he could find the cheapest Hungarian SIM card or which Hungarian cell phone provider has better service. If you do a google search for T Mobile Hungary, the first two results are Magyar Telekom so he obviously would have found the current name of the company if he wanted to purchase a sim card from them. The difference in cost between the two providers for a "pay as you go plan" is nominal.

Regarding asking a working girl to make calls for you and your claim that no one will do it for many reasons. That is actually incorrect because two English speaking foreigners that have visited Budapest often already reported on this thread that they had girls contact non-English speaking girls for them. See post number 4646 and post number 3795.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...udapest/page48

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...dapest/page105

Add me to the list of mongers that have paid girls for excellent introductions. It works to have an introduction in this hobby as in all meetings in life. And looking at it from a monetary angle, a less than 5 minute phone call for 5.000 forint equates to 60.000 forint an hour for her time. It is silly for someone to post in their infomercial that this is not a good technique. This is much better than paying 60-100 euro's for a guide.

[Bts23]

This has to be of the paramount importance. So yes, buying a Hungarian SIM card is a must. I have mentioned this in many of my posts since I have joined the forum in 2014. There is no company in Hungary called T mobile, it is called Magyar Telekom. It used to be called T Mobile & Westel before that but we are in 2019 & accurate name of the company should be used. To offer someone who is a local 5000 Ft to call a working girl from his phone is a joke. No one will do it for many reasons.

The question that was asked was would it be better to call girls using a Hungarian SIM, which based on my experience I told him that more girls would answer his calls compared to using a non-Hungarian number.

The matter of paramount importance in this situation is that using a Hungarian SIM card will result in more girls answering the phone. He didn't ask anyone where he could find the cheapest Hungarian SIM card or which Hungarian cell phone provider has better service. If you do a google search for T Mobile Hungary, the first two results are Magyar Telekom so he obviously would have found the current name of the company if he wanted to purchase a sim card from them. The difference in cost between the two providers for a "pay as you go plan" is nominal.

Regarding asking a working girl to make calls for you and your claim that no one will do it for many reasons. That is actually incorrect because two English speaking foreigners that have visited Budapest often already reported on this thread that they had girls contact non-English speaking girls for them. See post number 4646 and post number 3795.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...udapest/page48

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...dapest/page105

[Bts23]

Thanks for all the answers, though I had hoped that I wouldn't need a new SIM card. I might risk it and try to call the girls I have found interesting, and if I don't get any answers, I can always get a SIM card afterwards.

As to the idea that they won't date a foreigner, even if I call with a Hungarian number, won't they just deny my request once they pick up the phone and realize I don't speak Hungarian and am clearly from another country? And, while on the subject, while I live in and have been raised in Europe, I am of Middle Eastern heritage. I know that for some girls this is a deal breaker (also, I am a staunch atheist, though at first sight one might think I am of a certain religion, which is also a deal breaker for some), and I won't be surprised if that is true in Budapest as well. I have seen a few profiles online that explicitly state they don't date dark skinned men (though, I would probably say I have an olive tan rather than a dark tan), but besides those, how high are the chances they will deny me due to my Middle Eastern looks?

One thing to take a look at is the Hungarian version of the profiles on Rosszlanyok. The Hungarian version may be different and much more detailed compared to the English version. It may specifically state that a girl may not want to meet certain guys based on language, weight, age, skin color, etc.

I have spoken to more than 50 girls on the phone in Budapest that advertise on the two websites and have never been asked once what country that I am from, but usually girls will ask me that when they meet me in person just out of curiosity or to make small talk. Obviously that is not to say that if a girl detects a distinct accent that they may ask questions and may decide not to meet you or they could reject you at the door. Unfortunately I have no idea much difficulty you might have with that.

Regarding the Hungarian sim card, there will definitely be more girls that will answer from a Hungarian number. I can't tell you what percentage it will be since there are so many other variables to take into account when contacting a girl. I wouldn't waste time trying to understand the logic (or lack thereof) of why some girls will meet English speaking foreigners that call from a Hungarian number and they won't answer the phone from the same people if they are calling from a non-Hungarian number. You can certainly still reach some girls by calling from a foreign number or through the messaging apps, but it may take more calls and could limit your choices. Also some girls may not be working, but they don't always take down their advertisement. If they haven't logged into their page for 1 or more days, sometimes (not always) this is a sign that they aren't available.

Here are a few tips for contacting girls with the caveat that YMMV with any of these suggestions.

1) Unless you know that a girl speaks English well before you call, keep conversations very brief and basic. If you set up an appointment, the girl will usually follow up with a SMS message or contact you via a messaging app with their address. If they don't, send them a message requesting their address.

2) Many of the more popular girls will take most or all of their appointments for the day at the beginning of their working hours. Some will put their "call me now" button on their advertisement to indicate this, but others will never do it and you just have to call them. If a girl has 0-24 hours on her ad, it typically means that she works when she feels like it and will usually put her "call me now" button on to indicate when they are available.

3) If a girl advertises on both websites, check her ad on Beszamolok as they usually will confirm their working hours for the next two days.

4) If a girl hangs up on you, it may be that she works in an apartment with one or more girls and the person that speaks English is not available at that time. If you know that the girl speaks English (because it was written in a review), then call back later. If not, send an SMS to try to arrange a meeting or to find out when to call back. Obviously there are some that won't respond and it is better to move on the next one on your list.

Again good luck on your trip to Budapest.