Pattaya Reports

[FL Hawk]

This is classic passive aggressive behavior of a bar girl.

Actually, it is not. I have only shared a fraction of the story.

In general, you are quite correct and you offer great advice on the subject. But, the responses I predict for Secret as being a typical BG are rarely even slightly accurate. A number of times I have predicted that she was about to ask for something or do something a BG would likely do, but she doesn't. She mostly has been acting like a normal woman who is depressed and unsure, who desperately wants to be loved but doesn't believe it will happen and who is doing something she finds repugnant and had never thought she would end up doing, so she holds back, and is afraid to open up. When she had to face remaining a BG for longer than what she was prepared to handle, facing men who degrade her, make fun of her, use use for fun and laughs, well, it finally made her so depressed she didn't want to talk to anyone about it. When you think you are bad, you tend to draw away from those you think good so you can stop thinking about how bad you think you are. I try to help her out here, reminding she is not bad, as she is trying to help her family.

She is starting to open up a bit more. I will be over there in 4 to 5 days but she has asked me nothing lately about me coming over. She did say she missed me finally, but it was "Miss you", not "When are you coming here to see me?! I miss you so much but you are ignoring me! Why? You find another girl?" That is BG talk! Secret never has been like that.

Anyway, the key thoughts are that we need to be careful. I am keeping a pretty good head on my shoulders here and not going off the deep end. If she stays a BG much longer I could see her staring to wonder why I am not doing more financially for her. I can understand a girl who is dying at her job wondering why her "rich" BF isn't helping her out much. Well, God lets us go through bad stuff and he doesn't help us much, but we hope he can at least give us comfort in our suffering and hope, eventually, for a better life. Which is what she is wanting for her and her family.

[Mr Enternational]

I would also like to know more about Gentlemen's Clubs in Pattaya. How are they different from GoGos or Beer Bars?

Depends on what type beer bar you are talking about. G Clubs are like beers bars on Soi 6 in that you pay for a room to fuck the girl in. Sometimes you will find better decoration in a G Club. Some also have food and a pool. At some G clubs the girls will dress better {evening dress) and put on better makeup. A gogo is more of a strip club where in most they do not take clothes off. They pretty much shuffle around on stage to music.

[HectorG]

Is this the one with swimming pool?

I would also like to know more about Gentlemen's Clubs in Pattaya. How are they different from GoGos or Beer Bars?

[Montecristo]

Made recently a visit to these clubs. In Happy, they were blocking Indian guys at the door, a doorman had a sign saying 200 (or 2. 000) baht to enter, the other two were just blocking a group of guys (a very old Black Guy not good looking was also blocked), because its in the end of an alley they have time to decide what to do. I am Caucasian and was allowed to enter without delays, inside there were mainly Japanese, in a ratio to Caucasians around 15/1, so I wonder if sooner or later this will be just a Japanese Go Go.

In terms of the place it was very expanded since last year, some external bier bars disappeared to make way to a bigger structure now with 3 stages, it was not full but still a large attendance. In terms of girls, there were definitly some lookers, it was an welcomed view after a beach road walk where 95 % of the Women were in the zone 3-4. Girls were not pushy for Lady drinks something is always a plus in my opinion. During my stay there was a Special show with some nude dancing from good looking girls, drinks were 145 Baht. I enjoyed my stay, it will be on my list of future visits.

Now Windmill, I left with mixed feelings. No doubt its the most naughty place in town for nudity and interaction with the girls, many years ago Whats Up also had this kind of environment but I never saw nothing like Windmill. The very big downside was the terrible look of many of the girls, unbelivable. When I left I could not understand how they could put many of those women on a stage, its not their fault but the management, I think the ones who went there recently will understand what I am saying. There were some nice girls, but the terrible ones shouldn't be on that job. Drinks were 140 Baht.

[Linyjo]

But this morning she texted me some sad faces. I asked why, as the night before she was going out shopping with friends. She told me she was going back to work at the bar again. Ugh. I asked why and she said she still had a responsibility to her family.

This is classic passive aggressive behavior of a bar girl. She did not ask you for money directly, she just let you know she needed some money and was waiting for you to offer. She knows you like her and is playing into your feelings to get you to help her. She says she stopped working the bar and took a real job but now she is going back to fuck a bunch of different guys everyday because her family needs help. This is your cue to save her from having to sell her body and to save yourself from imagining her banging a bunch of guys that are not you. She wants you to be jealous and to pay her to not be a hooker.

None of this means she doesn't like you, I would guess she probably does. You are kind to her and treat her better than most guys she runs into. You are attentive and communicate with her which helps her not feel so lonely and empty when you are gone. She is a girl and she wants to feel emotions and be in love just like you do, so you both are playing the game, just on different terms.

I have some similar experiences as you are having.

The communication cycle is normal. At first you text everyday, all the time. But after a while that becomes a bit boring and you start to get busy with the real life in front of you instead of the fantasy and memories you left behind. So a few mornings you don't send a message early, you don't send the typical "good morning, have a great day, thinking about you" text. By afternoon you get the, "Why are you ignoring me", "have you forgotten me already" or the passive aggressive "contact me after your friend from last night leaves". To avoid problems you make sure you say good morning every day and then the fun turns into a chore. You start feeling like this is more work than it is fun.

The messages start drying up and life is busy and a few days go by. You try to keep it alive every few days with a "thinking of you" or just reducing it to sending some kissing emoji's and some smile faces. The texts stop for a while.

Then you plan another trip and revive the messages. Tell her you miss her and you coming to see her. The messages will pick back up as your now back in play. Things will go back to "normal" and soon you be back on track and sitting on a plane licking your lips thinking about your secret is waiting for you to arrive.

Do not doubt that she likes you, I am sure she does. But don't be a tool, be real and keep in mind that at the end of the day, it's all fun and games for both of you. The emotions and the I love you's make the time together more fun and satisfying for both of you. Keep that alive and keep on keeping on. Just be sure to also keep your head on your shoulders and your feet on the ground.

She loves you when you there but thinking she loves you when your gone, can be a fatal fantasy for a man searching for love in all the wrong places.

XOXOXO.

[Bamboo Pete]

If you mean the club in Prathamnak, Soi Kasetsin 11 yes is still open, now is called New Heaven G. Club.

Is this the one with swimming pool?

[Christian G]

Which are the most popular Gentleman's clubs now?

Kinnaree, Passion, KitCat, Babylon, soi Bong Koch 8 (soi Full Love inn).

Is Heaven Club still open and still good??

If you mean the club in Prathamnak, Soi Kasetsin 11 yes is still open, now is called New Heaven G. Club.

I have read before that prices are like Soi 6. Is this still the case?

Not in all, in Babylon and KitCat girls try to asking more.

[Mr Enternational]

The first pic says August 2 while the second one says August 1.

They were 5 different conversations with 5 different people. No particular order intended.

[Downandup]

Which are the most popular Gentleman's clubs now? Is Heaven Club still open and still good?

I hear that Kinnaree is the best, otherwise see if the clubs on Bong Koch 8 will suit. A word of warning that your list is out of date and there are clubs like Winchester which have closed. It may be worth a google.

[Bamboo Pete]

I will be in Pattaya again next month and I want to try a typical gentleman club this time (I tried Excite Club and the Full Love Inn clubs, but never the ones where you have to ring or which have a swimming pool).

I found a list with all clubs in Pattaya Gentleman Clubs thread from World Travel 69 and placed my questions in that thread but there is no more post since 2017 and I won't get an answer probably. Maybe someone here can help:

Which are the most popular Gentleman's clubs now? Is Heaven Club still open and still good?

I have read before that prices are like Soi 6. Is this still the case?

[Falcon 95]

Man that is a normal ebb and flow that you are talking about. I have tons of free chicks and a couple of paid chicks in various countries for many years and that is just how it works. You can talk to someone a lot for a few days then you may not talk for a couple of weeks or maybe even a month. But send a message when I am heading to town or when I am thinking about them or they are thinking about me then it is business as usual. The messages that I always like to send are "Why you forget me?, Why you do not miss me?, Do you think about me when you are laying next to him?"

Hit me up when you get into town.

The first pic says August 2 while the second one says August 1.

In order to upload the pics in the order that you want, you need to choose file and press add file 5 separate times.

I'm guessing you pressed add file only once for all 5 pics.

You need to add each picture separately.

[Mr Enternational]

She went there to figure things out but, she still wasn't texting me that much, and she clearly had plenty of time to do so if she wanted. But I still wondered what it was that started to turn her off to me.

Man that is a normal ebb and flow that you are talking about. I have tons of free chicks and a couple of paid chicks in various countries for many years and that is just how it works. You can talk to someone a lot for a few days then you may not talk for a couple of weeks or maybe even a month. But send a message when I am heading to town or when I am thinking about them or they are thinking about me then it is business as usual. The messages that I always like to send are "Why you forget me?, Why you do not miss me?, Do you think about me when you are laying next to him?"

Hit me up when you get into town.

[FL Hawk]

Hawk, any chance we'll see a picture of Secret? Of course, just the face. I have to ask because you write so much about her. Perhaps in the future, after you let her go? If you let her go?

I think she is letting ME go! I rather doubt I would post her picture or ID her. Remember, I am keeping her secret to protect her. Were I to discover she has turned into a lying, manipulative hard core bar girl, then I might need to ID her in order to protect some of YOU!

[Tippe]

I did a trip to connecting Tijuana-Tokyo-Pattaya. Pattaya wins by a far margin. The way Honey 2 Body massage has their ladies line up on velvet stairs with lights is a sight to see alone.

Picked up a girl by the name of fine. She had me the moment she made eye contact along with a bright smile. Nice smooth skin, no tattoos, man made's with no scars, and smelled cleaned inside out. Got a nice shower on the inflatable mat. Complete GFE for only 3 k baht, good deal. Only 1 shot but she offered another for 1 k baht. Still beats paying $400 for the same exact experience in Japan.

[USExpat]

Think about what you want out of this. You don't want to live in Thailand. You don't think she wants to live in the States. You've already got a Thai GF you're thinking of marrying and you intend to keep fucking around as a monger. Some catch you'd be. These girls are people, doing the best they can. Doing something for the family is paramount in Thai culture, notwithstanding that many families are in fact pimping out their daughters for spending money.

What you might do is be a friend. You're thirty years older and she apparently likes you. Why penalize the girl as she tries to sort things out. You can still be there to listen to her, treating her decently as a human being no matter what she does for a living. You can play a supportive role in her life. At least for a while, if you can suppress your ego and not play "she has to message me first" games. A lot of of her young life is facade. All fake. She has enough pressure and if you connected with her in an honest, supportive way, why stop? Thirty years older -- do the decent thing and give her a non-judgmental shoulder to lean on and an ear. No pressure. Just be there if she needs you. Be the exception in her life, someone who she can trust, at least for a while. That's not a bad legacy for an old guy.

Or you can be remembered as just another old farang creep, only interested in keeping his dick wet.

Good luck.