Hong Kong Club Reports

[Necropet]

Hey,

I'm going there for the first time during Halloween. Any advice? Oh, and I'm a non-smoker. Is HK a non-smoking bar? Also, do the majority of the putas smoke (gross)?

[RikyMichaels7]

I used to frequent clip joints in La Coahuila. The bullshit hustle, including the asshole at the entrance charging you 7 dollars for a beer to get in, the girls trying to milk you out of every dime thinking they are the goddesses of this world, the pushy waiters. This shit gets too old. I suggest changing things up and going out to Las Pulgas or some of the other clubs in Tijuana. I meet a variety of non-putas. Either those working in a factory or many that are wealthy. My experiences with these girls is that they are very friendly and appreciative. It is so refreshing to be away from that shitty HK scene. Many of you know what I mean. You've just gotten tired of the money grabbing pay me for my time bitches and scene.

I had a girl in HK take 80 dollars of mine and the knock on the door came in 13 minutes. And then she had the nerve to ask for a propina. Fuck this place. Everybody should boycott Hong Kong and put these narcissistic women and their thieving owners and Managers out of business.

This girl that I paid 80 dollars for with a 13 minutes knock on the door. I got pissed at her and called her a thief and pendeja. Her reply was "You're the stupid one, paying 8.00 a drink all night for women that you think really like you. They don't give a shit about you. And you are a loser for paying women to have sex.

[ScatManDoo]

should I have reported that? I recently got word that AB has been firing chicas for charging mongers less than $60. I think this may be true because I haven't seen a chica that supposedly got fired cause of this. I can think of another chica that charged me $40 that's not there anymore. That was some time ago though. Another chica told me to keep my mouth shut. And she charged me less than $40. I don't know if this is a thing but sounds about true. If it's happening we don't need to post on these boards to get them in trouble cause there could be a scenario where we can low ball three chicas. The third one accepts the offer and the other two turn on her. So I'm interested to hear about any thoughts on this.

I can't speak to your base question about whether we should report good deals with chica stage names on this cite. Despite rumors, I don't know who in bar management reads these monger cites. I often report my deals with street girls and walkers, who have much less direct supervision.

Whenever I'm negotiating pesos with a street girl, I do it in whispers in her ear so her wallmates can't hear. And when it comes to sex acts sin condom, that discussion always happens up in my room and never on the sidewalk.

[GoodQuestions]

I missed my opportunity to post about a similar topic recently so here I get a second chance. When I negotiate with street girls by giving them a rundown of what I want some of them stop me and say that I want full service. That can be a problem because if a chica sets her full service price at 500 pesos she might not shave off anything from her price. Maybe it's just me but I see red flags when a chica is unwilling to work with me downstairs. Unless she's offering me stuff other chicas aren't willing to offer.

It goes without saying that I negotiate differently with any given chicas. So here's where I go back and forth on the how much question. It's better to lead in the dance. So you mine as well throw a number. On the flip side there's chicas that no matter what you ask for her price is 200 or 300 pesos. So you could end up overpaying if 300 pesos is your offer or end up giving her what she wanted. A conversation for another day is that chicas in La Zona don't agree on pussy price.

What I want to bring up is that we post on these sites because we want to collude against chicas. But what about those times when we feel we won. Back when I used to report about going up with bargirls at AB for say $40 or anything under $60 should I have reported that? I recently got word that AB has been firing chicas for charging mongers less than $60. I think this may be true because I haven't seen a chica that supposedly got fired cause of this. I can think of another chica that charged me $40 that's not there anymore. That was some time ago though. Another chica told me to keep my mouth shut. And she charged me less than $40. I don't know if this is a thing but sounds about true. If it's happening we don't need to post on these boards to get them in trouble cause there could be a scenario where we can low ball three chicas. The third one accepts the offer and the other two turn on her. So I'm interested to hear about any thoughts on this.

[Member #4722]

You actually got a Hong Kong chica to go in the shower before having sex?

Good for you!

Literally laughed out loud at this comment so true.

[Captain Solo]

Yep. HK girls are really tough sharks. Most would play all kinds of tricks against you to make the most money doing the least work. They would milk you dry before granting you any close friendship. A few of my wingmen went dead broke with their favorite HK girls. They no longer remember who they were. I would only do the young and most attractive girls in HK, and they usually give me low local rates because they see me in HK often. A lot of average-looking new girls in HK think they can make $100 sessions. They make me laugh. I would let them go home hungry hehe.

Many street girls are as hot as bar girls. I like to see girls dress tastefully in street clothing like real, normal people to tattooed girls in slutty bikinis in the bar. A few street girls cannot work in HK due to the drinking and cigarette smoke.

Street girls' rates are so low that you can easily try many in bed and find those who will provide honest, sexy sessions. After a few repeats, you can develop rapports with the girls and most would treat you with friendly and sexy attitudes.

[OrganicAlo]

So I'm back home from my trip and I just wanted to clear up some things. I'll start with the objective facts:

I stayed for 3 nights, Thurs-Saturday. From working the numbers, the bar girls are not worth it. They typically fuck you for 15 minutes total. The rest of the time is spent walking around your room, using your shower, and getting dressed. The girls factor in their "prep" time after having sex into your 30 minutes of time. So basically, they spend 10 minutes just showering, getting dressed, and leaving, and taking it off the top of your time. This is the default for most of the girls there.

Now for my thoughts on this: again, as a customer you should never have to stand up for yourself. This is my opinion, but when you hold the dollars, you should be getting exactly what you want. You shouldn't have to negotiate further. It's a simple transaction: here's the money, now deliver me the quality service. If you don't get the quality service, then the girl is a piece of shit and you shouldn't see her again. The problem is almost all the bar girls give shit service. They've been conditioned to do so. They don't care about customer service as another user mentioned. The system is set up to extract as much money from stupid gringos as possible because a ton cycle through Hong Kong every weekend. It's very profitable for Hong Kong and the girls, and not a great service for you, the customer..

You went on the busiest days bro, it's been said several times on here if you want GFE your going to have a hard time finding it in HK on the weekends. Just curious, how many bargirls were you with over your trip?

Don't forget, regardless of them being sex workers, they are still women LOL. YMMV.

[ScatManDoo]

You shouldn't say $100 for 30 minutes, it's not 30 minutes. It's only 15 minutes of sex. I've been to Hong Kong, I've seen the girls. The amount of time you get of dick inside her and actual fucking is 15 minutes. The girl spends 5 minutes walking around your room, another 5 minutes playing in your shower, then she shaves the last 5 minutes off and leaves early as a courtesy cause she likes to steal money. So really they are false advertising since it should be "$100 for 25 minutes". But again, only 15 minutes of actual sex.

You actually got a Hong Kong chica to go in the shower before having sex?

Good for you!

[TerOnlyOnce]

So I'm back home from my trip and I just wanted to clear up some things. I'll start with the objective facts:

I stayed for 3 nights, Thurs-Saturday. From working the numbers, the bar girls are not worth it. They typically fuck you for 15 minutes total. The rest of the time is spent walking around your room, using your shower, and getting dressed. The girls factor in their "prep" time after having sex into your 30 minutes of time. So basically, they spend 10 minutes just showering, getting dressed, and leaving, and taking it off the top of your time. This is the default for most of the girls there.

Now for my thoughts on this: again, as a customer you should never have to stand up for yourself. This is my opinion, but when you hold the dollars, you should be getting exactly what you want. You shouldn't have to negotiate further. It's a simple transaction: here's the money, now deliver me the quality service. If you don't get the quality service, then the girl is a piece of shit and you shouldn't see her again. The problem is almost all the bar girls give shit service. They've been conditioned to do so. They don't care about customer service as another user mentioned. The system is set up to extract as much money from stupid gringos as possible because a ton cycle through Hong Kong every weekend. It's very profitable for Hong Kong and the girls, and not a great service for you, the customer. The solution? Don't go to Hong Kong. Don't go to the bars. Seriously. It's really that simple. Of course there will be the never ending stream of gringos going in and out of Hong Kong. But as long as you are smart enough to steer clear and get the service that your money is worth, then you are ALL good.

I recommend street girls and maybe escorts (have never done escorts). Street girls are very cheap and you can find girls that are just as hot. Honestly you're better off finding 3-5 girls that you really like and that give good service, getting their contact info, and setting up private paid dates with them through messaging. That's probably the most effective way to use your money.

As far as the "$20 to fuck a fleshlight" statement: let's be honest, a majority of the bar girls taking $80 for 15 minutes don't give a girlfriend experience anyway.

[Kleeenex]

The point I'm making here is that 95% of these girls have 0 customer service skills. I have no idea how you regularly get 40+ minutes for $60.

How are your interactions with them? Forget language, most communication is body and tone anyway. I mess around elsewhere too and get great service from 80% of them. If they're beyond what I want to pay, I decline and move on. Otherwise I just take a risk and see if their rates match their service.

Idk, I just put in a bit of effort to treat them like normal non-working girls and skip negotiating over $20 as it feels counterproductive to the relaxed, frictionless vibe and GFE I prefer. I thought the $600/10 HR overnight GFE with an 8 was a pretty good deal, no? I think I spent 5 condoms on her. One pop though, I just take my time. More like extended GFE as we've been exchanging casual texts daily since.

It's like going to a car mechanic and paying to have him fix your car. The guy should just do it and do a good job. You shouldn't have to press him and twist him to get him to do a good job. If you do then he is simply a piece of shit and should be out of business.

To me this is just common sense but: a customer should NEVER have to stand up for themselves.

Sign me up for that utopia please. Not sure if Tijuana is a likely place for that though.

Let's focus on the objective facts here. I assume we are both intelligent people and can look at some numbers and simply determine what is the best bang for your buck.

I work in tech and you've just done more analysis than I've done at work all year and killed my boner. Did not expect this regarding working girls LOL.

There were plenty good advice here. I'd just recommend:

1. Adopt KC Questor's dominant mindset of "I'm the customer and this is what I want, else I move on" and demand your $80/40 minutes or whatever and see what you get, or.

2. Sip on a drink, chill, warm her up, and if she doesn't seem hasty and money hungry, bid farewell to an extra $20 and friction, and see what you get.

I'll likely be heading down on the weekend between Labor Day and Mexican Independence Day weekends. Curious now to see what I can get from 9's and 10's at HK LOL.

[Long Don Silva]

You shouldn't say $100 for 30 minutes, it's not 30 minutes. It's only 15 minutes of sex. I've been to Hong Kong, I've seen the girls. The amount of time you get of dick inside her and actual fucking is 15 minutes. The girl spends 5 minutes walking around your room, another 5 minutes playing in your shower, then she shaves the last 5 minutes off and leaves early as a courtesy cause she likes to steal money. So really they are false advertising since it should be "$100 for 25 minutes". But again, only 15 minutes of actual sex.

Believe it or not, others have experiences that don't line up with yours. I've been going to HK for almost four years and my experience has been the polar opposite of what you've been posting. I get GFE about 90% of the time. You just have to pay really close attention to the girls' body language and wait until you find a girl who feels like she's going to give you a good time. And for God's sake, RTFF. You'll probably find that you can optimize your approach in many different aspects.

And based on some of the other difficulties you've begun reporting, it seems you probably have the appearance and or demeanor of an easy target. You best change that up because all sorts of people in this town have a sixth sense for an easy opportunity for a rip off.

[ScatManDoo]

If readers of this board pay attention to (and follow in the footsteps) the rookie posters of this website. They will likely receive poor advise. They will make rookie mistakes and likely get crappy sex sessions.

I made my first trip to La Zona in October 2004. And before I went I spent several weeks reading multiple forums detailing how things worked in La Zona. Sure I still made rookie mistakes, like paying Monica forehead 300 pesos, but I continued to read and sharpen my skills.

I learned to always pay and negotiate in pesos and I learned to never ask a chica "How much?" because that invites the highest of quotes from the chicas which are hard to negotiate down to reasonable fees.

I learned that different bars have different customary fees. I learned that Street Girls in different locations throughout La Zona also had different customary fees and were more likely to assert a la cart pricing and services.

For me low-ball initial offers seem to work well (not asking a chicas "How much? It grounds the chicas expectations and is more likely to lead to reasonable fees.

Remember, don't let rookies tell you how things are. Unless you want to remain a perpetual rookie like some of the board members here.

[KC Questor]

For a typical newbie foreigner that goes to HK, what are his sex sessions like? If he's going for a girl on the hotter side then he should expect to pay $80 for 15 minutes of sex as a default.

That's what this board is all about. And that's why I am here refuting your opinions. Yes, a naive gringo will walk into Hong Kong on a Saturday night and his eyes will bug out because there are hundreds of girls who could work at the hottest strip club in his town, and hundreds of guys who are vying for their attention, and he is overwhelmed. And he asks a girl "How much" and accepts her request of $80 or $100 and they head upstairs and OF COURSE she is interested in getting back down there to get another client.

And my point is that it does NOT have to be like that. You coming here and repeating your mantra of "$80 for 15 minutes" doesn't help. It makes guys think that's normal.

I have no idea how you regularly get 40+ minutes for $60. Or which girls you are seeing.

I'm getting 40 minutes because that's what I tell the girls I expect. And I'm getting $60 because I don't go to Hong Kong on Saturday night. If I did, I'd expect to pay $80. But I'd damn sure make certain she understood that I expected BBBJ and passion and for me to pay afterwards. Because I AM the customer, and it is MY money until she earns it.

But from my experience the standard is $80 for 15 minutes.

Repeating it won't make it true.

This is objectively true, no one can deny this simple fact. You are paying a girl $80 for 15 minutes of sex.

You may be paying her for 15 minutes of sex if you finish after 15 minutes. The rate does not include multiple pops. So if you finish after 15 minutes, yes, she will usually get dressed and leave. Not always. Sometimes they'll hang out a bit; relax until they are ready to head back down. But as mentioned, they want to earn as much money as possible, and a Saturday night is their big chance.

Now, how about a street girl. Standard rate is $20 for 15 minutes of sex, and let's say the girl is an 8. Congratulations, you just paid 1/4th the amount compared to Hong Kong and you got a girl that's a little less hot.

I agree, street girls are a great value -- until you negotiate the same level of service you expect from a bar girl. Then they merely become a *good* value. But that $20 you talk about is probably going to be the girl pulling down her pants (not taking off her top) and asking if you want her on her back or on her knees. If you want her to suck you, or to move to a different position, or to show you her tits, those are all extra. If not, congrats. You just paid $20 for a session with a Fleshlight.

Spending something like $80 or $100 for 15 minutes of sex just seems stupid to me.

Me too.

To me this is just common sense but: a customer should NEVER have to stand up for themselves.

Oh, then you must have gotten really lucky in life, my friend. I have to stand up for myself all the time.

How about the bar girl, what if she tries to rip you off in the room? Now you've got $80 on the line. The risk is much higher.

How so? If she tries to leave after 15 minutes you just tell her you won't pay her the full amount. She'll stay.

Also here is a tip for newcomers to mexico. If you want to cross the border from mexico to the USA and the line is long and you have a flight to catch. DON'T panic and don't listen to any mexicans that try to talk you into a bus ride. These people will rip you off. A mexican guy lied to me and said a bus would take me to the airport for $40. In reality he bought a $7 ticket that took me ahead of the line and basically dropped me across the border. The guy LIED to me, the bus doesn't go to the airport, and stole $33 from me.

Oh my god, a random guy offered you a deal and you accepted and it was a ripoff? I'm shocked! Is there a chance that the Rolex watch you bought also a fake? Man, you have to take some responsibility for yourself. You can't just be gullible and accepting and trusting of everyone. Of course there are people who will try to take advantage of rich foreigners. If you think that doesn't happen in America, you haven't traveled enough.

If you need any help getting across the border when the line is long DO NOT SPEAK TO ANY MEXICANS! Look for the first gringo you see. Usually a white male, and ask simply about the bus that can take you across the border. Keep asking gringos that you see until one knows what you are talking about, they will speak english and explain things nicely for you. Do not talk to any mexicans and do not listen to any mexicans. Even if they speak english or try to scare you into thinking you will miss your flight. You may get scammed once like me but after that you will be experienced and won't have it happen to you again.

Ohhhh, you're just a racist. Nevermind. I understand. OK. I got you. White men never do anything immoral.

Also, from what I understand there is a shuttle that goes from the border to HK and from HK to the border for free. I have no idea where this shuttle is or how to use it, so I've always taken $3 ubers when I need to go to and from the border. If anyone has any idea how this works please share. Speaking extremely limited spanish really doesn't get you far here.

Hong Kong has a limo stand right outside the front door. You ask the guy there for a ride to the border. You tip him $2 (or just $1 each if there are a few of you). If you want a shuttle from the border to Hong Kong you either call them and ask for them to pick you up at PedEast, or if you are at PedWest you walk a block to the shuttle garage and ride to Hong Kong from there. It's fairly convenient.

[Phordphan]

You shouldn't say $100 for 30 minutes, it's not 30 minutes. It's only 15 minutes of sex. I've been to Hong Kong, I've seen the girls. The amount of time you get of dick inside her and actual fucking is 15 minutes. The girl spends 5 minutes walking around your room, another 5 minutes playing in your shower, then she shaves the last 5 minutes off and leaves early as a courtesy cause she likes to steal money. So really they are false advertising since it should be "$100 for 25 minutes". But again, only 15 minutes of actual sex.

OK. You've posted at length about how things OUGHT to be. Now let me tell you how things ARE. You don't seem to have traveled much. You are not in Mexico, you are in some weird border town area created primarily for gringos. HK is a classic Mexican clip joint. It is designed to separate you from your money as fast as possible, with little regard to you, the customer. It's a rule of thumb that, in Mexico, wherever gringos congregate, shitty service and high prices are sure to follow. That's the reality of the situation. What you choose to do about it is your responsibility.

Mexicans tend to live in the moment. A Hk BG even more so. You're one guy in a bar full of them. Unless you're a repeat it doesn't matter because she'll never see you again. Therefore, customer service is a low priority and extracting as much money as possible from the rich gringos is the top priority. Those are the facts going into the deal. Now, if you're getting 15 minutes, and she's leaving early, and things suck in general, that's on YOU, my friend. It's up to you to ensure she stays the entire time. It's up to you to tell her to shower on her own time.

No, you shouldn't have to "take charge. " Yes, they should be interested in customer service. But they are not, and will never. Those are the rules of the game, like them or not. Learn to play by them, or find another venue.

Oh, and if it matters, I think HK sucks and I almost never go there. I much prefer lower-key bars, indies, etc. But to each his own.

[StRobert]

I can never get 30 minutes at HK. All the time the girl cuts it off at the 15-20 minute mark. It's fucking ridiculous. They start telling me my time is up after 15 minutes of sex when we negotiated for a half hour in the bar? What the fuck is this? I just met with a girl who looked very good, a 10 in looks. She wanted $100 and I decided to go for it since she really looks stellar. I even bought her a drink and chatted with her for 10-15 minutes at a table prior to taking upstairs.

But she shorted me time. And the sex was not that good. She kept whining and commanding me to do things. She wouldn't let me enjoy myself and get in the moment. I'm paying this chick $100 what the hell? And again she wanted the money up front before anything happens.

How do you guys deal with this? Should I just not see the better looking girls? It's frustrating because you can't tell which girl will clock watch and end it at 15 minutes and which won't. The first girl I banged at HK I fucked her twice and we didn't negotiate that beforehand. There are definitely girls out there that want to provide a good service. But then there are girls that fucking cut it at 15 minutes.

Seriously guys I need help. I couldn't nut with the girl I paid $100 to. When a girl is whining at me during sex it already puts me in a bad mood. I think I'm better off seeing street girls and saving my money.

Hi TerOnlyOnce! - My advice is if a girl gives good service, I repeat. This way I have 2 girls in HK and 3 girls in Adelita together 5 favorite girls with great service and I don't need more. I always have all styles and positions, the same price from $ 60 to $ 80, no problems, the girls are nice and have no bad mood. Even with some girls I am a friend on Facebook. But one weekend all 5 girls did not work and OMG disaster, I was with some new girl and of course bad service. So this is my advice.