Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Syzygies]

Conclusion: It looks like even when your Tulip girl shows you her HIV negative test result, she may be HIV positive, on these drugs and you are taking a big ass risk barebacking.

Thoughts? Criticisms? Is my understanding of antiretroviral drugs wrong?

Yep completely invalid conclusions!

https://aidsinfo.nih.gov/understandi...phylaxis--pep-

Not sure why you don't go in the Safe Sex thread.

The fact is bare backing is happening. Makes sense to reduce the already small risks for HIV. I don't suggest BB anal however. That might be going too far. I hope these girls take "the pill" as well.

[CzarNicholas]

All Stats have to be unreliable because people get asked what things they did, but they either tell lies are very forgetful. Just like how in sex surveys, people report they are getting much more than they actually get.

So when asked how many times the patient had sex, and what types, are the answers believable? Not really.

So we have best guesses for average persons.

Fortunately it is likely that not every last person interviewed told lies (maybe only 99% liars LOL). So if various HIV+ women only had vaginal sex, we have to conclude, that catching it this way is possible, or there are other unidentified risks. We can't prove anything much by example, it is much easier to disprove by counter-example.

Estimated Per-Act Probability of Acquiring HIV from an Infected Source, by Exposure Act*.

These are "estimates" not "hard" figures, they have extrapolated the variables.

I trust the CDC and the numbers, these are clearly estimates (perhaps worst case scenarios).

I'm pretty sure the "liars" are factored into the equation.

My personal physician is a nationally renowned expert in HIV care so of course I asked him the risk of me sticking my bb penis in the vaginas of 3rd world hookers.

And he "rolls" his gay eyes.

I agree with what mr t is saying, unless he is doubting these figures.

Using HIV as a bogeyman has shown its self to be a paper tiger, at least with this hetero monger circa 2019, not 1989.

[Goatscrot]

As most know, Tulip has a reputation for allowing bareback sex, vaginal and anal. Perhaps not all the girls but a majority. I don't have any stats on whom does so nor if some will go BB this day but condom up the next day on a whim, without rhyme or reason. Risky as fuck behavior when you are service 2 - 5 men a day. That slim chance of contracting a disease turns into a statistical eventuality. So what the fuck is going on? Are they doing it on orders from management? Are they sociopaths and enjoy the risks? Are they completely ignorant as to the dangers?

I may have a possible answer which comes from first hand knowledge and some research. I admit that I am not a doctor nor do I work in the medical industry so any medical professionals please feel free to correct me below.

My first hand knowledge is that I have seen and held, in my hands, antiretroviral drugs used daily by a current Tulip girl. At the time, I didn't know what they were, until I did some research. She said that they reduce the risks of her contracting HIV. Which, in itself, confirms how often she goes bareback. She proudly showed her HIV negative test, saying that the drugs helps protect her. Lying or ignorant, that is not how antiretroviral drugs worked. They are drugs for HIV positive people which reduces the viral load to small enough levels that you show up as HIV negative, have a lesser chance of transmitting the disease and a very good chance of not developing AIDS.

Is this usage of antiretroviral drugs known to this one girl only? I highly doubt it. Likely all the girls take them. They would always pass HIV tests and can keep their jobs while secretly staying HIV positive, engaging in bareback sex because, fuck it, they already have HIV and cannot get it again and a lot of guys want bareback. Fuck, it may be even so petty as to save on condoms.

My research came up that there is indeed a reduced risk of transmitting HIV while you are on antiretroviral drugs but the chance is still there.

Conclusion: It looks like even when your Tulip girl shows you her HIV negative test result, she may be HIV positive, on these drugs and you are taking a big ass risk barebacking.

Thoughts? Criticisms? Is my understanding of antiretroviral drugs wrong?

There are anti-retrovirals that provide a prophylactic effect. So taking it to prevent is possible.

[Byron2001]

I have medical friends. Here is the state of the art:

If you have HIV and you get treated with modern antiretrovirals early you will live a normal life span as long as you remain on the medications. The viral load will decrease to undetectable if you are on treatment. At this point you are NOT infectious and cannot give anyone HIV. They've done many studies with HIV negative partners living with HIV positive partners. There has never been any transmission as long as the positive partner was taking their medication. The cases where the negative partner became positive occurred when they had sex outside the relationship!

If you take what is called PREP which is the same antiretroviral drugs then you are also protected from catching HIV as long as you don't miss any tablets. Dare I say this is what the girls would be taking if they are barebacking and sensible.

Now whether a HIV positive girl is pretending to be negative is a moot point. As long as she is on treatment she cannot pass on the disease. But if she is not on treatment then that's a different story.

[TommySued]

As most know, Tulip has a reputation for allowing bareback sex, vaginal and anal. Perhaps not all the girls but a majority. I don't have any stats on whom does so nor if some will go BB this day but condom up the next day on a whim, without rhyme or reason. Risky as fuck behavior when you are service 2 - 5 men a day. That slim chance of contracting a disease turns into a statistical eventuality. So what the fuck is going on? Are they doing it on orders from management? Are they sociopaths and enjoy the risks? Are they completely ignorant as to the dangers?

I may have a possible answer which comes from first hand knowledge and some research. I admit that I am not a doctor nor do I work in the medical industry so any medical professionals please feel free to correct me below.

My first hand knowledge is that I have seen and held, in my hands, antiretroviral drugs used daily by a current Tulip girl. At the time, I didn't know what they were, until I did some research. She said that they reduce the risks of her contracting HIV. Which, in itself, confirms how often she goes bareback. She proudly showed her HIV negative test, saying that the drugs helps protect her. Lying or ignorant, that is not how antiretroviral drugs worked. They are drugs for HIV positive people which reduces the viral load to small enough levels that you show up as HIV negative, have a lesser chance of transmitting the disease and a very good chance of not developing AIDS.

I may add some more info because you have a some things wrong:

When a HIV+ person takes its antoretroviral therapy and gets undetectable, the viral load is so far down that the virus cannot be detected anymore. But the antibodies (which are produced after infection) are still there in the blood, so the HIV test will show up positive.

A person who is undetectable cannot transmit the virus anymore. This is consensus is medicine nowadays.

A HIV test is conclusive, as long as you test outside the diagnostic window. This is 3 months with a 3rd generation test. With 4th generation test, the window is around 4-6 weeks nowadays.

There is still much of education to do around HIV, HIV tests, viral load etc.

[BMoreDog69]

These may be Prep drugs for folks at high risk of acquiring HIV.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/prep/index.html

As most know, Tulip has a reputation for allowing bareback sex, vaginal and anal. Perhaps not all the girls but a majority. I don't have any stats on whom does so nor if some will go BB this day but condom up the next day on a whim, without rhyme or reason. Risky as fuck behavior when you are service 2 - 5 men a day. That slim chance of contracting a disease turns into a statistical eventuality. So what the fuck is going on? Are they doing it on orders from management? Are they sociopaths and enjoy the risks? Are they completely ignorant as to the dangers?

I may have a possible answer which comes from first hand knowledge and some research. I admit that I am not a doctor nor do I work in the medical industry so any medical professionals please feel free to correct me below.

My first hand knowledge is that I have seen and held, in my hands, antiretroviral drugs used daily by a current Tulip girl. At the time, I didn't know what they were, until I did some research. She said that they reduce the risks of her contracting HIV. Which, in itself, confirms how often she goes bareback. She proudly showed her HIV negative test, saying that the drugs helps protect her. Lying or ignorant, that is not how antiretroviral drugs worked. They are drugs for HIV positive people which reduces the viral load to small enough levels that you show up as HIV negative, have a lesser chance of transmitting the disease and a very good chance of not developing AIDS.

[TommySued]

As most know, Tulip has a reputation for allowing bareback sex, vaginal and anal. Perhaps not all the girls but a majority. I don't have any stats on whom does so nor if some will go BB this day but condom up the next day on a whim, without rhyme or reason. Risky as fuck behavior when you are service 2 - 5 men a day. That slim chance of contracting a disease turns into a statistical eventuality. So what the fuck is going on? Are they doing it on orders from management? Are they sociopaths and enjoy the risks? Are they completely ignorant as to the dangers?

I may have a possible answer which comes from first hand knowledge and some research. I admit that I am not a doctor nor do I work in the medical industry so any medical professionals please feel free to correct me below.

Google for PrEP.

I got tested 3 months after my experiences at Tulip with Ferry. Negative!

[MongerForSex]

Can we contract Fournier's Gangrene from sex?

FG is not a std, necrotizing fascilitis is not contagious, the most common area is limb and scrotum. Low blood flow, diabetes, hypetension, kidney disease, chronic alcohol, long term cortocosteroid, some diabetes medicine are the main causes.

My biggest advice is to stay away from penis pictures on google.

[Kuratla]

As most know, Tulip has a reputation for allowing bareback sex, vaginal and anal. Perhaps not all the girls but a majority. I don't have any stats on whom does so nor if some will go BB this day but condom up the next day on a whim, without rhyme or reason. Risky as fuck behavior when you are service 2 - 5 men a day. That slim chance of contracting a disease turns into a statistical eventuality. So what the fuck is going on? Are they doing it on orders from management? Are they sociopaths and enjoy the risks? Are they completely ignorant as to the dangers?

I may have a possible answer which comes from first hand knowledge and some research. I admit that I am not a doctor nor do I work in the medical industry so any medical professionals please feel free to correct me below.

My first hand knowledge is that I have seen and held, in my hands, antiretroviral drugs used daily by a current Tulip girl. At the time, I didn't know what they were, until I did some research. She said that they reduce the risks of her contracting HIV. Which, in itself, confirms how often she goes bareback. She proudly showed her HIV negative test, saying that the drugs helps protect her. Lying or ignorant, that is not how antiretroviral drugs worked. They are drugs for HIV positive people which reduces the viral load to small enough levels that you show up as HIV negative, have a lesser chance of transmitting the disease and a very good chance of not developing AIDS.

Is this usage of antiretroviral drugs known to this one girl only? I highly doubt it. Likely all the girls take them. They would always pass HIV tests and can keep their jobs while secretly staying HIV positive, engaging in bareback sex because, fuck it, they already have HIV and cannot get it again and a lot of guys want bareback. Fuck, it may be even so petty as to save on condoms.

My research came up that there is indeed a reduced risk of transmitting HIV while you are on antiretroviral drugs but the chance is still there.

Conclusion: It looks like even when your Tulip girl shows you her HIV negative test result, she may be HIV positive, on these drugs and you are taking a big ass risk barebacking.

Thoughts? Criticisms? Is my understanding of antiretroviral drugs wrong?

[EihTooms]

You doubt 1 in 2500 LMAO.

An inconvenient stat for you perhaps? LOL.

Let me guess you have passed or are approaching that milestone?

Are you afraid you are statistically overdo?

If you don't trust the CDC #s.

Ok? What do you think the risk is??

Even if one has had 2500 different BBFS partners, I think its safe to say.

They were not all HIV+ LOL (although I'm guessing one should assume so especially with p4 p).

In your case Mr T, for your sake, I seriously hope not?

Not only do I doubt that as many as 1 of the 2,500+ different women I have had sex with was HIV-Positive, I doubt as many as 1 of those 2,500+ different woman could identify by name and location a man they KNOW or have ever MET who became HIV-Positive through sex with a woman.

[Franciscass]

Why don't we just accept?

1) STD'S exist.

2) The odds of contracting bodily fluid transmitted infections such as aids are relatively low.

3) If somebody wants to take that risk however small or deny it exists at all there is no point in preaching safe sex to them.

[Syzygies]

I don't even have faith in the accuracy of the "1 in 2,500 HIV-Positive exposures" for the chance of a man acquiring it from a woman estimated by the CDC despite posting the link for that estimate myself.
attention-grabbing impact they could possibly get away with anyway.

All Stats have to be unreliable because people get asked what things they did, but they either tell lies are very forgetful. Just like how in sex surveys, people report they are getting much more than they actually get.

So when asked how many times the patient had sex, and what types, are the answers believable? Not really.

So we have best guesses for average persons.

Fortunately it is likely that not every last person interviewed told lies (maybe only 99% liars LOL). So if various HIV+ women only had vaginal sex, we have to conclude, that catching it this way is possible, or there are other unidentified risks. We can't prove anything much by example, it is much easier to disprove by counter-example.

[RayRay4]

Wow, I have never heard about that. It sounds pretty scary. Is it common in Thailand?

Not generally. HOWEVER, if you have an open wound and an infected person you interact with has an open wound, to suggest you cannot get Fournier's Gangrene from vaginal sex, oral sex, anal sex, rimming, a handjob, DFK, closed mouth kissing, hugging, a massage, bumping into them on the BTS, MRT, walking down the street or while scooting over to make room for one more person in a bar is simply not true and dangerously irresponsible.

https://www.healthline.com/health/fourniers-gangrene#qampa.

It is estimated 1 in 7,500 people will get the disease, apparently regardless of the status of your sexual partners or other people around you. It should be considered a medical emergency at first sign of infection. Best treatment is to have your scrotum and surrounding area removed immediately before it spreads. It is usually fatal.

Your chances of getting it increase if you are 50+ years old, overweight, eat sweets or drink alcohol.

[Franciscass]

Not generally. HOWEVER, if you have an open wound and an infected person you interact with has an open wound, to suggest you cannot get Fournier's Gangrene from vaginal sex, oral sex, anal sex, rimming, a handjob, DFK, closed mouth kissing, hugging, a massage, bumping into them on the BTS, MRT, walking down the street or while scooting over to make room for one more person in a bar is simply not true and dangerously irresponsible.

To suggest you cannot catch verbal diarrhea from shaking hands, touching noses, licking ears, leaving finger nail clippings lying around, sharing the same newspaper, sharing the same umbrella, waving across the street to each other, sharing the same birthday or while shitting bricks sitting in the same waiting room at the STD clinic is simply not true and dangerously irresponsible.

https://www.shabdkosh.com/dictionary...ing-in-english

[CzarNicholas]

I don't even have faith in the accuracy of the "1 in 2,500 HIV-Positive exposures" for the chance of a man acquiring it from a woman estimated by the CDC despite posting the link for that estimate myself.

First of all, I assume they rounded up just to produce that 1 in 2,500 (or 4 in 10,000) HIV-Positive exposures number for the scariest, attention-grabbing impact they could possibly get away with anyway.

Second, as far as I saw there is no accounting for possible pertinent co-factors such as that 1 guy being uncircumcised, having a gaping open wound sore on his penis at the time, engaing in prolonged, rough, skin abrasive sex or anything else that might and only might have been the reason he acquired it rather than merely the result of ordinary vaginal sex with his circumcised penis.

And, third, is there any doubt that of the thousands of case studies the CDC reviewed there had to be at least a dozen men who would not under threat of torture ever admit they do occasionally if not exclusely like to take it up the butt with their longtime companion, Bruno? Or to admit they indulged in needle sharing behind the YMCA Disco that time?

Same goes for the female numbers in those CDC estimates for vaginal sex transmission. Surely, there were a few women who would take their secret desire for Anal to the grave rather than admit it to a clinic research tech as well as any admission of sharing needles.

Of all the possible sexual activities one could admit to, regular vaginal intercourse would naturally be the Go-To one to admit to while refusing to admit to any other sexual activity in order to avoid all possible social stigma judgement and backlash. Yet even with that going for it the estimates were extremely low for both men and women.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

You doubt 1 in 2500 LMAO.

An inconvenient stat for you perhaps? LOL.

Let me guess you have passed or are approaching that milestone?

Are you afraid you are statistically overdo?

If you don't trust the CDC #s.

Ok? What do you think the risk is??

Even if one has had 2500 different BBFS partners, I think its safe to say.

They were not all HIV+ LOL (although I'm guessing one should assume so especially with p4 p).

In your case Mr T, for your sake, I seriously hope not?