Pattaya Reports

[Steve 9696]

FL Hawk buddy keep it coming. I love to read the real life soap opera. It is soooo much easier to be like Mr E and others and just treat it as a business transaction. Soooo much easier. But I am like you and like treading the girlfriend line even tho it leads to pain. The high is so worth it IMO.

Was it totally painful to see my Thifany cavorting with her new husband on Instagram? Absolutely. Happy for her. But it totally sucks too! So did I go back to transactional only?

Nope. Picked up a new SB type "girlfriend" in Buenos Aires who is better and more real than Thifany the unicorn if that is possible. And it's totally awesome. I know factually some dude with more coin will come along and she will ghost me. But in the moment it's magical and can't be replicated with transactions. (Not that I've quit that!

So keep riding the thin girlfriend-line on that slippery slope man! Rock on FL Hawk!

[Steve 9696]

They do not need your advice. They need money. Unless your advice is going to pay off dad's truck, pay the mafia loan they owe, get them some land, and put a house on it. I guess this has to be reshown every so often.

Yep. Pretty much spot on!

[Mr Enternational]

possibly see Aon at Supivida (spelling) massage on Soi 13/1.

Hilarious. I met the same chick on WeChat or Tinder last year. I went up there to see her in person and that was about it. My impression is that she is just on the site to get you to come up to the shop for a massage.

[Mr Enternational]

There is definitely something to that. Like they don't feel like they deserve it and almost seek out to make sure it doesn't get serious. Another thing I've noticed is I tend to want to help them and end providing what I think is helpful advice. They usually don't want it. I think a lot of these girls are fiercely independent and don't need daddy telling them what to do. They had that already!

They do not need your advice. They need money. Unless your advice is going to pay off dad's truck, pay the mafia loan they owe, get them some land, and put a house on it. I guess this has to be reshown every so often.

[Steve 9696]

In my experience, the girls become cold when you keep going back to them. It's almost like they don't want you to repeat with them.

There is definitely something to that. Like they don't feel like they deserve it and almost seek out to make sure it doesn't get serious. Another thing I've noticed is I tend to want to help them and end providing what I think is helpful advice. They usually don't want it. I think a lot of these girls are fiercely independent and don't need daddy telling them what to do. They had that already!

[Falcon 95]

Trip Report, Tuesday, Day 3, August 21.

So, this second day in Pattaya ends mixed. I am with Secret and I just had one of the best lovemaking sessions of my life. But her lack of emotion, other than when she first sees me, is telling. I need to clear this up. Is she holding back out of fear (logical) or has her feelings actually died down. Her reaction in the bar was not fake and it was real. So, I don't know. I should not be trying to over analyze this. But as I have said, I already know it is ending. But exactly HOW will it end?.

In my experience, the girls become cold when you keep going back to them. It's almost like they don't want you to repeat with them.

[FL Hawk]

Trip Report, Tuesday, Day 3, August 21.

Day 1 was a very long day with the travel but I think I actually held up quite well. Jin came over as I mentioned at about 10:30. We ate breakfast then she crashed while I went out and got a SIM card then tried to correct issues with my phone. I got a new phone and I am using the old phone for my travel phone, I had some problems with Viper and Line as a result. I unwisely decided to go to McD's to sip a Coke while I worked the issues and, well if I am here, since I didn't stuff myself for breakfast at the hotel, I will stuff myself now with a cheeseburger and fries. Oh well, it lasted me for the rest of day.

While I was out I decided to contact Secret again. To my surprise she texted me back fairly quickly. I learned she had been home and was just now returning to Pattaya and would bet here at the start of business. So, she was not with a random dude last night and she just completing a 10 hour bus ride. Well, ok, now what do I do? Rather than discuss the possibilities I will simply tell you. Once Jin left at 2:30 I headed to Soi 6, still no really sure what I was going to do. I considered going back to Ruby to partake of one of the other lovey ladies I had seen the day before when I was with the delightful Bea. I did make it to Ruby, and Bea was right there and she was tempting, but I had to accept that my heart wanted Secret at that point. I mean, the only reason I am here in Pattaya in August was to see her. That was the original intent of this trip. So I spoke to Bea and said I liked her and would likely come back to her, but I had to keep going. She understood and then I beelined to Secret's bar, not sure if I might find her with a dude or how she would react to seeing me. I went inside and didn't see her at first, but I hear a cry and there she is, in the back, and she is totally surprised and she comes out to give me a very firm hug. She seem super happy, and hugs me a few more times, and the other girls are happy and she shows me off to her new friend in the bar. And all seems right with the world for a little bit, seeing her pure happiness and repeated hugs. Even the bar manager gives me a big thumbs up.

But our language problem shows up quickly, but I guess we overlook them and before long I ask if she wants to get out of there and she says yes. She goes to get her stuff and I am little taken aback that she comes back wearing her bar's shirt and shorts. I am not keen on my girl advertising the bar where she works when she is out with me, but oh well. Maybe I will offer to buy her some more appropriate clothes, but yet I don't want her to think I am ashamed of her, either. Sigh. We head to my hotel and she says she is tried from the very long bus trip, and I am still jet lagged, so we nap for a few hours. When we wake we head to WS and listen to music before coming back. She is being somewhat affectionate but once in bed, she starts to chill. This is repeating a pattern from last time. What the heck? She simply lies there, playing with my Johnson, but not even moving her fact to kiss me. I am about ready to just roll over and sleep, but I have been stupid before when a lady is not showing affection and I simply calling it off, as I don't wish to have sex with a woman who is not showing any desire even if I paid for it. Yes, possibly stupid for me, but I can sleep at night too. But, this was different with her as we have expressed our "love", and this might be my only chance of bare back sex as we could break up at any time, and, thus, this could possibly be my only chance for some relief for this whole trip! So I decided to romance her best I could. I did tell her there was more to me than just my dick and I started to try to get her more excited. (At this point her V was still dry.) I was a little bit aggressive with the kissing, but I kept it gentle and dry (no wet tongues), and I tried to be like two lovers who had not seen each other in 3 months and was ready for some passion and that she was simply exhausted but still ready to be made love to. It worked. After I did oral on her she got soaking wet, but I delayed intercourse until I literally thought I might explode. It was pure heaven when I did enter her, and I alternated between giving her oral and giving her my Johnson. She started moaning and I believe she came. I continued with the changing tactics, then got her into doggie where I finally let lose. Awesome. There was certainly tons of affection from me, but she has never really been aggressive with me. (No idea how she is like with the other random dudes.).

So while she did as I wanted, and she was enjoying the physical pleasures, I still didn't feel the love. And after the shower, she kept her distance from me, just like our last night we were together that I found so confusing. After the sun came up she was a bit fitful in her sleep, but she did come close to me and wrapped me her arms around me. At 10:30 she got up, saying she had to go to her hotel. Yeah, the day before she told me she couldn't sleep at the bar (not sure if that meant the sleeping conditions at the bar made it so she slept poorly – which is what Jin had hold me or if she was not allowed to sleep there). Anyway, she had a cheap hotel room and she needed to go there. Possibly she kept her stuff there and, not expecting to be BF's that first day, she had not brought her normal street wear to work that day. Or, and the thought hit me, she may have a boyfriend there. I mean, to me it seemed like her feelings for me cooled very quickly, like she got a boy friend but, like most BGs, they won't admit they have one. But I could be wrong on that. I can understand her getting a cheap room (and she maintains an apartment in the city where she used to work before becoming a BG – or it belongs to a BF! So she may indeed have a cheap room simply for sleep in Pattaya.

But without a lot of affection she leaves. I ask if she wants to see me again and she appears to ignore me, who knows. I get a kiss and she leaves. I went into the bathroom and see she left her toothbrush kit. I texted her to see if that means she wants to come back and she says yes. Sigh. I tell her I will see her later. I can probably extend this so-called relationship a little while longer. I would like to sit down with her and try to figure out what happened. As I said, we HAVE to breakup. A breakup is inevitable. Maybe it has already happened in her eyes but I am that good friend. Maybe I crossing from her thinking I am her lover to a client finally. I don't know.

So, this second day in Pattaya ends mixed. I am with Secret and I just had one of the best lovemaking sessions of my life. But her lack of emotion, other than when she first sees me, is telling. I need to clear this up. Is she holding back out of fear (logical) or has her feelings actually died down. Her reaction in the bar was not fake and it was real. So, I don't know. I should not be trying to over analyze this. But as I have said, I already know it is ending. But exactly HOW will it end?

I want to add that editing these reports takes a very long time, and sometimes I try to rush things so I can get out there. So if I get my tenses mixed up for leave out some words or use the wrong words, please forgive.

[FL Hawk]

Trip Report, Tuesday, Day 1-2.

Left LAX in wee hours of late Sunday night (actually Monday morning, being the wee hours), EVA Airlines bound for BKK via TPE. I cashed in some miles to get upgraded to business class into TPE, then premium economy on into BKK. As I typical for EVA, the flight went well.

I am actually writing the first entry of the first draft of this sitting in the EVA lounge in TPE. I will arrive in BKK a bit after 11 AM Tuesday. I read the Thai Visa forums which seems to have a lot of bloviating expats who can't find anything to like about Thailand but continue to stay there. Two typical comments or complaints I seem to notice the most is that is that the Chinese don't go into the WS bars in Pattaya (huh? And the immigration lines at BKK are hours long. I hope I prove them wrong. After arriving at BKK I will be met by one of Nam's limo drivers.

I have been checking out some ladies on Thai Friendly, and I found the massage girl I had the hots for on Soi 13/1 last time. She, Aon, is a classic beauty and I was pleased to see her images on TF. I made contract with her and her only question was did she give me a happy ending or just a massage. Haha. Well, no happy ending for me as I can't end from a HJ nor BJ, which is all she had offered me, but I may stop by after I arrive for, if nothing more, a basic massage. For more than a basic massage from her I want to have FS, but as is, she stays fully dressed and she kneels between your legs on the bed so you can't really get in much touching. She gives a nice massage so I think I will go see her and, now that I know she advertises on TF, perhaps she would be willing to give more outside of work now. That is what I would want to inquire about.

There is still Secret to contend with. She became a little more talkative before I left. She had briefly mentioned a while back she problems with her phone, and she brought them up again, saying she didn't want to get it fixed yet fearing she would lose my Line ID. I sent her my email, but have not heard much more. She is back in the silent mode, which is unlike how a typical BG would be reacting when her foolish client is just days away from coming to see her. So, I don't know what I am going to do. The strong feelings we had seem to be nearly dead. I wonder if she has a boyfriend and that is why our communications seemed to die down so quickly. I don't know, but were I to predict the future, things will likely come to an end before I leave Pattaya, and that will be a good thing overall. We are not right for each other. It can't work. A brief love affair is fine, and I guess I hope we have a couple more good days before it comes to a gentle end. But I have that nagging feeling she has a BF and the end will come a little harder. Well, if she has a boyfriend I can still be her client, but then she would be just another BF.

Well, why waste time thinking about the unknown when in a few more hours I will begin the search for truth! Off to catch my flight to BKK!

Taipei had problems getting planes out for some reason. There is some construction going on, but it delayed our departure about an hour and I don't know why. I may have my directions mixed up, but we were parked on the north side and were delayed 20 minutes pulling back. Then we were sent around to the south side and it took another 20 minutes to get almost to the end for takeoff. Departures and landings on that runway were very slow but we were at the point when there was just one plane ahead of us and then they sent us back the north side! Yet another 20 minute delay. The pilots, other than the first push back delay, never did explain any of this to us which would have been nice.

Anyway, the flight to BKK went smoothly. I had read online on Thaivisa.com that the immigration wait times at BKK were horrendous. Posters there were saying the airports had hours of immigration lines while the streets of Phuket and Pattaya were empty. What is the truth? For me, the immigration line was about the shortest ever. When I got to the line I was number 7. I lucked out and my line had two officers, so I practically whizzed through and my bag was waiting for me. So, from the time I stepped off the plane to the time I walked out of immigration minus the walking time was not even 10 minutes. Not to say the airport was not busy, but for me, I had no problems at BKK at all.

Got Nam's limo to Pattaya. When I landed and got inside I emailed her to let her know I was late. I hate having drivers wait, but they had my flight information and if they looked they could see the flight was late, but I wanted to let them know. The driver was waiting for me. She was young and cute and was quite professional and took maybe 1:15 to get me to my hotel. The Pattaya traffic was lighter than last time (April / May), but hardly sparse.

Checked in at the Flipper House was efficient. I actually have two bookings. The first is through next Saturday and the second is for the last 5 or 6 days of my trip. I like to split up the booking as it is better to make reservations well in advance, but sometimes it can be difficult to change the days (like add a day or subtract a day) and you have to get the approval of the hotel to do so. In this case, I wanted to be able to take those last few days to possibly leave Pattaya before going home. In this case, I have 7 days advance free cancellation. So, if things go well with Secret I could take her to Phuket or, if they didn't go well, I could stay in town or possibly go meet my so-called Thai GF. I have until Friday to cancel without a fee. But actually, the staff saw that I had two bookings but I forgot to book Saturday night. If I wanted to do that, the room was available (their biggest suite) and I could have it at the same rate. I told them I was considering cancelling, but would let them know if I wanted it.

Anyway, I am checked in through next Saturday. After some light unpacking I decided to do some walking to try to burn up some calories from all the airplane food, and possibly see Aon at Supivida (spelling) massage on Soi 13/1. I walked down there but she was busy, so walked around 13/1 and 13/2, passed back by to see Aon but she apparently was still busy.

I walked all the way to Soi 6, but how would it go? That is where Secret is working and though she should know I will be there by the end of the week, I have never told her exactly. She has never asked me, either. I was still planning to avoid seeing her for a few days. We had texted a little more but 3 days have now gone by without me hearing anything. Pure logic shows that whatever relationship we once had was now pretty much gone, which while painful it is the predictable outcome that has to be. I have known this all along and that this was the price to be paid for letting myself get emotional with a much younger woman. (I do not call her a bar girl as she is not acting to me like she is a bar girl, and she situation would not be too much different if I had fallen for a non-working girl, I. E. A basic vacation love affair.).

Anyway, I walked all the way and entered the street maybe around 4:30 PM. There were plenty of ladies and I could tell the number of males was down. I could also tell times were low as I got cat-called far more than last time. When the youngins are cat-calling the old dudes, times are slow in Pattaya! I got a accosted by a couple but I let myself get stopped by Bea at Ruby. She was looking good and I remembered she was surprisingly good last time, so I thought why not, I will let her be my first. She comes across as a bit of a nerd, as she wears glasses, but either because she knew me from before or she was hungrier in the low season, she was a little more aggressive and gave me some light kisses. I didn't see any need to prolong things, so after not too long I just blurted out that I wanted to take her upstairs. She seemed surprised that she didn't have to work too hard but happy to take me up. I paid the fine (300 I think, but I really don't remember) and up we went. The room was nice enough with its own shower and toilet. We each undressed and she gave me a reasonable shower and we proceeded to bed. She was quite happy to start out with some foreplay that soon got intense. Very intense. Near GFE in fact. She was happy to let me play and was not at all in a hurry. I remembered that last time she was surprising in her actions, and she surpassed that today. I do think that as a lady gets to know you she will open up if she likes you, and she is more likely to come to like you if you are respectful of her. They don't like to be grabbed or looked down upon. But yeah, our session was great. Pretty close to a 10 with the passion she showed.

Of course, I couldn't release, but she tried. And as usual, it is all totally my fault. I wonder if by trying to delay my release I instead prevent it. I mean, I seem to go a little but numb after a few minutes. I start off feeling pretty good and thinking I will be able to release, but before I know it I just lose the feelings. I can rest a bit and restart and things will feel great, but that point of release eludes me and I collapse into a quivering heap of frustration.

She has a nice face, maybe an 8, a good tight body (maybe an 8 or a little higher, with the only negatives are she is has a bit of a boyish figure) but her butt is very nice to touch, with boobs that have lost some firmness, but are still soft and hot sagging, and close to a nice handful. Nice nipples. Near perfect skin – no tats or unsightly molds or things. Nothing about her is unappealing. Oh, and her V is tight, shaven and very pretty. I did not detect any mommy stretches. (Well, later I found out she had two kids and she was 37. It blew me away.) As she tried and was otherwise practically a full GFE due to the touching and kissing and passion, I tipped her 200 baht. We concluded with a shower and hugs goodbye.

I continued down the street and was about ready to divert to Soi 6/1 but Jin at Horny bar saw me so I went to see her. Jin and I spent a few days together last November, but after Secret, she fell out of favor. She is another honest, caring BG, older, but level-headed and a sweet woman if you are nice to her. I soured on her a little due to her drinking last time, plus Secret stole my heart, and I now immediately saw she had put on a few pounds. She is still attractive for her age, with near perfect skin and still with a nice body, but I don't know that I will ever BF her again. But I consider her a friend. We talked a little, but no BF with her. She mentioned the electricity to Soi 6 was going to be cut off from about 9 AM to 3 PM the next day (Wednesday), and she asked if she could stay at my hotel during that time. I said OK. She will probably nap during that time. Nothing sexual was implied. But as I stepped away from the bar, it struck me that if I now went to see Secret (ok, I said I wasn't going to see her, but I was thinking about it.) I would be unable to long time her. But, she has not that far away. The girl I claimed to have feelings of love for was less than 100 yards away! And I walked away. I could text Jin not to come. I could see Secret and likely have that wonderful release with her. Unless she would now insist on a condom because. She had a BF. Sigh.

Let me interject that a big tour group of Chinese tourists came walking down the street before I left Jin. A whole bus load of men and women. I don't like seeing that. Pattatya built up a delicate balance with the bars, the women and the mongerors. This is messing it all up potentially. It is happening in Phuket. Good or bad overall for the people of Thailand? I don't know.

But as I was walking down Soi 6/1 fighting off the LBs, the urge to see Secret got me to venture over a cross street to take a peek at her bar. I did not see her. She was either in the back or was out with some random dude. Sigh. The price we pay for falling for a bar girl.

It was quite dark by this time. I walked back down to Soi 7 for taco Tuesday night, then back to the hotel to rest a little before heading to WS. I am jet lagged a bit but I decided I did not want to nap. When I nap in the evening of the first day it always screws my body up. I think it best to fight off the urge to sleep and just get out there, walk around and get the adrenalin to power your way through. And that is what I did. And I was curious as to how busy WS would be, given the claims Thailand was losing tourists.

I found actually found WS to be quite busy. No, not super crowded, but there were plenty of people. I went into a few bars and the Chinse were still there chain smoking and while none were brimming full and seats could be had at all, they were hardly bare. Outside, there were still plenty of people, though with perhaps more Indians now.

I ended up at Red Car and ended up with Lee, a late 30's, or probably an early 40's lady looking to get picked up. She was nothing special but was ok for her age, plus I was jet lagged and was actually leaving when she caught my eye, so it was either her or no one. I took her home as she offered 1000 baht for short time. She was ok but I figured no way would I come with her so I used one of my less favored Aoni condoms. I have had breakage problems with them and, sure enough, it broke as soon as I entered her. I actually think she put it on much too tight. I tried another one, putting it on myself and, with some added lube, it worked fine. And heck, it actually felt pretty good and, yeah, maybe I would be able to come with her and.yeah, right. I fail, she wondered why, so then I explained it, she sympathizes but explains why she can't, I agree and say I wasn't asking for BB, blab la bla. Same of stuff, just answering question as to why I couldn't come and what could she do to help me. And no, a BJ now won't help and no a HJ won't do it, etc.

She left and I managed to sleep without too much trouble.

So, this first day has been a long day but I manage to have two ladies. I have no idea what might happen with Secret but things are not looking well, but that is ok.

[Bishop80]

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[Mr Enternational]

IMHO these 2 clubs still attracts the most good looking girls in Pattaya but it attracts as well guys who think they are sent from god and pretend a good free fuck or else first timers in Thailand who don't know the real game! It could be some girls quote 4/5 k but the ones who do are ones who are partying with friends on their day off from let say go-go. One thing I don't like about these 2 bars, I noted there is a sort of link between waiters and girls to get drinks commission, worst than that is if you purchase a singha its 155 baht for me (last update Feb 19) but if a lady buy it its 120 thb.

Why do you care what other guys are doing? There are rarely gogo chicks on their day off in iBar. Chicks do not go to Pattaya to have days off. It is a freelance joint. There is no link between anyone to get any commission. It is simply one price for rich foreigners and a lower price for poor Thai locals for certain drinks. I have been to iBar 100 times and have never bought a drink for a chick. There is no need to. But if you insist, then just sneak 100 baht to her and let her order it on her own. Every club in Pattaya is like this, not just iBar.

You would have to be a damn fool to give one of those chicks 4000 or 5000 baht. I have never even read a report of them even asking for that much. Take note from Pete Nut's report below. That is how things are supposed to be done.

[Pute Nut]

It could be some girls quote 4/5 k but the ones who do are ones who are partying with friends on their day off from let say go-go. Being their day off they prefer to party hard but a long time for 5 k will be a bonus that's why they gamble!

I'm amazed to hear these crazy amounts being thrown around. Sounds like a f-off quotation to me. I seldom take girls from Insomnia, but the quotes I get from the clingons are usually 1500. One who just followed me back to hotel didn't ask anything, gave her free lunch and 1200 the next day and she thanked with a nice wai, I don't know what she had expected but I like to pay at least some happy girl insurance.

In fact by 4 am there are still loads of girls getting wasted. One thing I don't like about these 2 bars, I noted there is a sort of link between waiters and girls to get drinks commission, worst than that is if you purchase a singha its 155 baht for me (last update Feb 19) but if a lady buy it its 120 thb.

You can buy a membership card that will give you discount on all drinks, well worth it if you visit regularly.

[Bugzy 69]

IMHO these 2 clubs still attracts the most good looking girls in Pattaya but it attracts as well guys who think they are sent from god and pretend a good free fuck or else first timers in Thailand who don't know the real game! I frequent this place lot of times and there is a huge variety of ladies and my approach was always a money transaction agreement. It could be some girls quote 4/5 k but the ones who do are ones who are partying with friends on their day off from let say go-go. Being their day off they prefer to party hard but a long time for 5 k will be a bonus that's why they gamble! In fact by 4 am there are still loads of girls getting wasted. One thing I don't like about these 2 bars, I noted there is a sort of link between waiters and girls to get drinks commission, worst than that is if you purchase a singha its 155 baht for me (last update Feb 19) but if a lady buy it its 120 thb.

I probably missed the part of his post where he was treating girls like "second class humans".

Anyway, even if his "tips" are not all very wise IMO (as said in a previous post, it's better to not be touchy feely with random girls in the streets or in the malls), I feel like his post is a mix of what we can read on ISG in the last few years on the Pattaya thread. The guy might even never have put a foot in Pattaya before editing his post.

It's OK to go in Pattaya and not spend loads of bucks on girls or drinks (Never paying drinks for bargirls or not taking a drink for oneself is a bad advice though). There are probably more people doing it that way than the opposite way. It all depends on which reason you're there for and what you have most: time or money?

It's been a long time I didn't see a review about Insomnia or Ibar, is it still a sausage fuckfest? Last time I've been in Insomnia (in 2015) I found only one girl that looked ok and she quoted me 4 K. Normally I would laugh at such a price but I didn't even want to laugh as I was shocked at how the girls took advantage over the guys and were expecting to be paid such an amount in that shithole..

[Smoothy]

Ha ha. Got a few laughs. We certainly get to see why Indians are sometimes seen as not desirable customers, and refused entry to some bars. Applying India standards of Frugality (meanness) in Thailand probably is not a great idea.

I prefer the bars that won't even let them in. The ones who say "sorry, members only" when an Indian tries to enter. When I see those bars turning Indians away saying members only, I mark those bars down as favorites and give them as much business as possible.

[Syzygies]

1. If your game is OK try accosting beautiful women wherever you find them. Streets, malls, eateries, etc (your gut should tell they're WG). Don't lose a chance, don't be shy and don't be too cocky. Get chatting a few lines, get a bit touchy feely (they really don't mind that from a stranger IMHO) and exchange Line IDs. I've had the bestest of luck that way. In their downtime they may want to visit you. Although ST is normally quoted 1000 in bars, many of these girls can come 700-900 for ST if pursued rightly. And am talking about stunners.

A Farang female told me how she had a hard time in India, with the culture there seeming to accept that guys on the street would try to touch her up, however this is not acceptable in Thailand, and most countries. So forget this touchy feely thing unless girls are coming on to you and hookers, or ladyboys perhaps.

Now your "Game" is something that matters when you try to get a free fuck, but somewhat irrelevant with hookers, others than needing to have acceptable behaviours and pay a suitable amount. Perhaps relevant with semi-hookers (part timers).

Groping goes on in Thailand, yes, in bars (behind closed doors), not so much in public although Pattaya may have an anything goes standard for behaviour of Thais, I am not sure.

My rule for touching girls, is move slowly and don't be sneeky. She can always escape from it if she needs to. If the girl encourages me to touch her, then fine (e. G. The bargirl is happy for my hand to be in her panties. Part of her sell).

[Syzygies]

Responding to you in no specific order.

6 There is a reason why Indians are not admitted to clubs or bars or have to pre-purchase a drink at the door.

Ha ha. Got a few laughs. We certainly get to see why Indians are sometimes seen as not desirable customers, and refused entry to some bars. Applying India standards of Frugality (meanness) in Thailand probably is not a great idea. However he seemed happy his "game" worked for him.

Indians seem to believe that every girl will start on a price too high and then drop it down to a price too low. I know from experience though that one of my semi-regular girls (already offering a low price) refuses to bargain with guys. She says she likes Farangs. Probably does not get many non Farangs. Many guys (various nationalities) were trying to offer her sub 1 K prices and she was not the slightest bit interested to talk to them. After all, she was superior looking in the area (although far too skinny to suit some), and not finding it difficult to get a customer that will pay her price. Yeh, I agree that bargaining below 1 K can work, but for the most desperate of girls, that are generally not wanted.

Strangely when girls have offered me bargain basement prices (below 1 K) out on the street, I knocked them back. Just were not doable.