FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Pistons]

Taking this further, media studies would suggest that highlighting cheap prices, or ways to get cheap prices (loopholes, bargaining techniques etc) adds a fuzz among potential buyers, and buyers markets. Adding positive publicity, and increasing the volume. However, this only holds true as a long term strategy when it has basis in reality. Otherwise it would be fake news and marketing breaking the laws. The idea that all publicity is good publicity stems from this, simply by putting the issues on the daily agenda. Now a lot can be said about having this on the daily agenda every day every week however. LOL!

[Pistons]

Let's talk economics?

Or lets all rather study this article:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_surplus

The question we all here are trying to discuss is related to the equilibrium. But this is a market demand issue, not something we can adjust here on the forum. And I do wonder how the clubs macro economic visitor numbers have gone year on year over the past 10 years. If we are to discuss the equilibrium, we would need data like this. And of course the CPI or median and average income (most likely the median is the best indicator). Also charts on visitors coming locally from Germany, vs elsewhere in the world. Etc etc. Until we have these numbers, it is just babbling we are doing in here.

Of course one can also discuss willingness to pay / bundling. And that may have more of an impact here on the forum. But that is more related to upselling, and not the basic price. However, bundling strategies (upselling) can have serious negative consequences / costs related to them as well. Historically one can look at how some of the first fax machines had a chip in them. A chip to slow them down. This chip had an extra cost related to them from the producers point of view, and fax machines with this chip was more expensive to make than fax machines not having this chip. The more expensive to make fax machines who did have the chip and were artificially slowed down, cost substantially less at the store than the cheaper to produce fax machines without the chip. The same thing can be the case when girls hold back services they usually had no quarrels doing a few years ago. And the hidden extra cost can be related to less repeat rooms long term.

So as we can see, economic theory is not so straight forward. And sometimes someone advocating for an higher income may reduce the total markets equilibrium and maximum willingness to pay. Volume, cost, customer satisfaction, environmental changes (travel / hotel / other markets) etc all play big roles.

[Sirioja]

USA or even in your home country France. If simply paying more could solve the problems of poor mongering options, then countries like USA, Canada, France, England or even Romania or Bulgaria would be our sex travel destinations; even you could stay in France avoiding thousands of kilometers driving or sleeping in your car under a bridge. Paying more to these WGs actually destroys (or prevents to flourish) the pay-sex markets, both for the sellers and the buyers; just look around the world and you will see so many examples of that.

I could stay at home going to rdv4 U or strollxxx Russian escorts, but even really difficult for me to find pretty girls in FKK and so disappointed by Globe casting now, but I find very few who are as pretty with even sometimes higher level in bed after few rooms together, and when escorts are on tour for 2 weeks and 200/250/ h, I prefer to marry a girl weekly for months, I did with many girls in many clubs, I m specialist for this and look forward to find next dreamed beauty to marry for love in bed. As I say to my friend: I would even prefer to go with only one, would be more real for my mind. Why I drive to FKK land, even had Russian nights in Paris for 200/250/300 with restaurant and perfume or Disney gift for child with little mums.

[Ortos]

Sorry Ortos but I disagree with this. Of course I can find in every Frankfurt big5 club a new girl for me that gives me an old school 30 minutes session for 50 euro. But sorry these girls usually don't interest me.

Thanks for your interesting comments and analysis, all of which is focused on 50/30 sessions. However, when I posted that "pricing has NOT changed... " I was specifically talking about 100/60 sessions. Sorry for not being clear about this. So the very interesting comments you make about 50/30 sessions, unfortunately, do not apply to my post or the point I was making, because I was talking about apples, and you were talking about oranges. Once again: sorry for not stating that I was specifically referring to 1 hour sessions for 100 euros.

About 50/30 sessions and any price / service changes now: I have no idea, because I don't usually seek this kind of "fast food" session. In fact, I think the only times I've paid 50 E for 30 mins in the past few years is when I go to the room with a new girl who turns out to be a "dud" or disaster in terms of attitude in room or service in room, so I end / abort the session at / before the 30 mins.

But I'd say over 90% of my sessions in past years have been 100/60 mins, and this, I have found, has NOT changed (for me, at least) even during my most recent visits which date back to July of this year. Every girl I've been to the room with over the months of May / June / July of this year (probably 20+ different girls in Sharks and Oase), whether a new girl or a girl I've seen multiple times over a longer period, has been very willing --dare I say very pleased!-- to have a full hour session with me for 100 euros. Yes, occassionally (esp more recently) one encounters girls who quote silly, off-the-wall pricing, such as "100/30" or "150/60," but these I've found to be anomalies, so I just laugh off these crazy offers and move on. So from my experience, even most recently at Sharks and Oase, the very vast majority of girls I run into and get interested in accept or even suggest by themselves the "normal pricing" of 1 hour=100 euros.

So I'd love to read your comments and analysis about whether there has been significant and across-the-board changes in the pricing for 1 hour sessions for 100 e.

[Brainium]

How does the motor show affect Frankfurt FKK's?

From other users' comments, it seems that it definitely gets more crowded, but does that also mean more girls?

Would it be better to postpone your visit to Frankfurt area FKK's so it doesn't coincide with the show?

[Sirioja]

Well, for me it's not only about the money I'm spending, it's also about respecting the culture and local practices that our so nice German friends have built over the decades. I hate to be part of an act of breaking the German FKK system and then we all will end up like what we have in USA or even your home country France.

But you can t ask everything to girls, they are free to refuse cheap even they need to make money for different reasons behind them. If you want to kiss them like your GF, being natural sucked for 10 mn and pound them for 15 mn like only can small size, when I have to be careful not to kill their vagina, 50 € even for a Romanian or Bulgarian born in misery is not much, when they have to pay 105 or 125 per day to work + taxi for some + cigarettes for most, and they don't want to spend 12 hours working to finish with 50 € in their bag. When I succeed to find a attractive girl, I prefer to repeat with her and I don't want to have to wait for her, this can be weekly for months, but can only work if this is fair, win win for both, if I was only a cheap 50 who want everything, I don't think the prettiest would play my game. I m not German, I think I m quite different with girls as they say, but I know have to be a fair game, even all is not only about money. For me, the good point is when girls ask when I will come again, or come when see me.

[Pistons]

Did the Cost of Living and / or Average Income increase by 33% in last 15 years in Germany?

https://tradingeconomics.com/germany...rice-index-cpi

Strange dip there a few years ago, but looks like maybe +12% or so. Which is crazy low, and answers why the euro is so strong even with its zero central bank interest rate.

Regarding the Thai quadrupling over the past 20 years. I honestly don't have info on Thailand prior to 2008 when I was there for my first time and hooked up with two hookers on vacation as they told me, and didn't pay a penny. But the boom seen in China in particular over the past 20 years, with their official no p6 policy at home. Something which has been taken more seriously in the past 6-7 years certainly has something to do with it. Japan is also crazy expensive in regards to this hobby for some reason, and the spill over effect from there now that flight cost dramatically fell, was a certainty. I suppose this is also part of the reason we find Asian hunting among the WG's to be more and more common.

But one thing to keep in mind. Chinese rate girls by nationality. In saunas in China / Macau, they put a pricetag on girls depending on nationality. And the more girls a certain nationality has, the lower the price. At least that is one way of analyzing it.

Now I haven't been in Asia for 4 years now, but I think soon prices there will normalize too now that the Chinese housing market collapses. And all the other domino pieces across Asia goes down with it. The spill over effects will heavily hit the Thai bath, which is mainly a tourism driven currency.

[Gino02]

For cheap sex, you know Dietzenbach close to Sharks. When Switzerland is on average not anymore higher level for looks even much more expensive, when my Russian escorts in Paris are not always prettier and higher level, if I find a FKK beauty who wants to behave like a GF in bed for me, then I will be very happy to spend 100 on her to enjoy her for 1 hour, what is my time standard in Germany and a good rate for a tramp like me who sleep in his car he loves so much, under bridge at Wellcum. I hate grocery for sex, kill my desire, high level girls don't speak about money. But most difficult is to find beauties with charm, then I will do the job to deserve from her.

Well, for me it's not only about the money I'm spending, it's also about respecting the culture and local practices that our so nice German friends have built over the decades. I hate to be part of an act of breaking the German FKK system and then we all will end up like what we have in USA or even in your home country France. If simply paying more could solve the problems of poor mongering options, then countries like USA, Canada, France, England or even Romania or Bulgaria would be our sex travel destinations; even you could stay in France avoiding thousands of kilometers driving or sleeping in your car under a bridge. Paying more to these WGs actually destroys (or prevents to flourish) the pay-sex markets, both for the sellers and the buyers; just look around the world and you will see so many examples of that.

[Sirioja]

Sorry Ortos but I disagree with this. Of course I can find in every Frankfurt big5 club a new girl for me that gives me an old school 30 minutes session for 50 euro. But sorry these girls usually don't interest me. Usually I'm glad I find one new interesting girl, and than I don't bargain with this girl about 50 euro. I want the best sex from this girl and no price discussion or reduced service level.

And be honest to yourself. You know Oase for a very, very long time. You know old top girls like Steffi, Judith, Linda F and more. Do girls on this level still work in the Frankfurt big5 clubs? My answer is 100% No. And why? Because they can't earn enough according her real value. Therefore girls at this level usually don't work anymore in German FKK clubs because earnings are too low.

No increase for the standard sex rate in Germany for more than 20 years. That's ridiculous, for instance pay sex prices in Thailand now at least for times as high as 20 years ago.

But at Germany pay6 sex prices should stay at the same level for ever despite the fact that the working cost for the girls get higher and higher every year..

Of course I m not so old in FKK land and I heard a lot about about the cheap who want everything for only 50 who don't interest girls as they say when they leave Sharks, but, and I m not into CIM or anal extra, and I hate Arabian market talk, I don't agree to repeat with girls who are more expensive than 100/ h. I had top beauties and in bed for me for 100/ h or 150 for 1 h30 , legendary top chic and elegance, super GF in bed Katalina for 200 for 2 hours and 2 rounds. I can be the best tip guy, driving a lot to repeat weekly and no one can compete on this, or just a one shot and no repeat. 100/ h for GFE sex like at home is my good rate in Germany, even 80 at Gold, 140 in Austria, Globe casting don't worth the rate now. Only 1 great discovery at Freubad. Ch on this Summer.

[Gino02]

Sorry Ortos but I disagree with this. Of course I can find in every Frankfurt big5 club a new girl for me that gives me an old school 30 minutes session for 50 euro. But sorry these girls usually don't interest me. Usually I'm glad I find one new interesting girl, and than I don't bargain with this girl about 50 euro. I want the best sex from this girl and no price discussion or reduced service level.

And be honest to yourself. You know Oase for a very, very long time. You know old top girls like Steffi, Judith, Linda F and more. Do girls on this level still work in the Frankfurt big5 clubs? My answer is 100% No. And why? Because they can't earn enough according her real value. Therefore girls at this level usually don't work anymore in German FKK clubs because earnings are too low.

No increase for the standard sex rate in Germany for more than 20 years. That's ridiculous, for instance pay sex prices in Thailand now at least for times as high as 20 years ago.

But at Germany pay6 sex prices should stay at the same level for ever despite the fact that the working cost for the girls get higher and higher every year.

Go on guys with your 50 euro 30 minutes session according old school. With this policy very soon no top class girl will work anymore in Germany, especially with this registeration law. Meanwhile most top class girls prefer working in other countries with better earnings possibilities.

I have stopped with this 50 euro policy already some years ago. This week I had a top class session at a Frankfurt big 5 club, I was 60 minutes with her in room, according price system around 15 years ago that would cost me 150 Euro, the girl and I agreed on 200 Euro, that was fine for both of us. I received top service, the girl received the agreed money. She knows I will repeat with her and I know I will get also next time top class service for 50 euro more than old price system. For me a fair deal for both in 2019.

Did the Cost of Living and / or Average Income increase by 33% in last 15 years in Germany?

[ExpatLover]

All of my visits to FKKs, and I have had only one unpleasant anal experience, and it was not nearly as bad as you describe. Was a Colombian girl who used to work at Oase. That leaves me believing that given how many FKK girls I have butt fucked over the years, I've got to think that the overwhelming majority of the girls who provide anal service have to be preparing themselves. I mean I just can't believe my good fortunes have all been due to pure luck. If I, a prolific cornholer of tutes, had been experiencing anything like what you write, then I would not like anal at all, and never would have become "The Cane" LOL!

May be you are right, but technically it is difficult for them to prepare the things just because they don t know when they will do it, after they are eating, drinking. Sometimes I had 10 times anal with the same girl and never had any problem but having a little bit [CodeWord116] on the condom is quite common. I don t believe that doing a kind of small enema every day for the girls is possible without having some health issues. I am also mongering a lot in China with no pro girls and it is also very common to get it but I think this is more link to their food habits, a lot of vegetables.

[Pistons]

Go on guys with your 50 euro 30 minutes session according old school. With this policy very soon no top class girl will work anymore in Germany, especially with this registeration law. Meanwhile most top class girls prefer working in other countries with better earnings possibilities.

I have stopped with this 50 euro policy already some years ago. This week I had a top class session at a Frankfurt big 5 club, I was 60 minutes with her in room, according price system around 15 years ago that would cost me 150 Euro, the girl and I agreed on 200 Euro, that was fine for both of us. I received top service, the girl received the agreed money. She knows I will repeat with her and I know I will get also next time top class service for 50 euro more than old price system. For me a fair deal for both in 2019.

I do agree prices should go up a little bit. Say +10 or 20 e. But you are advocating for this ridiculous 50 e increase in one go. Something which makes absolutely zero sense in any sane world (or mind).

The registration law is also hardly a big issue. It hasn't stopped girls from working in say Austria. But as you say, the 50 e base price is lower in Germany, and that may be a factor.

Thankfully, the higher prices where I live gets us hot girls who otherwise might have ended up in Germany. But even here, the rate varies between 100-150 e for the 30 min. And the 2nd half hour goes for 50-100 e. So it is never +100%. Also no entry fees since it is all apartments, and probably over the quality girls are from outside of EU. Mainly Russia / Ukraine / Moldova. So the Romanians get competition. But the 40-45 year olds who has always been the majority of the overall market here are now mainly Romanian. While 10-15 years ago, they were mainly Russian. So things change.

But your 200 e for 60 min for the girl, plus at least 50 e entry for the club makes it more expensive than the most expensive girls around here. And I don't see that happening. I suppose you took an extra there, but still.

[Craiova]

This is as clear example of "Fake News" as I've seen in many moons. The pricing has NOT changed. But some of the posting here has.

Enough said.

Sorry Ortos but I disagree with this. Of course I can find in every Frankfurt big5 club a new girl for me that gives me an old school 30 minutes session for 50 euro. But sorry these girls usually don't interest me. Usually I'm glad I find one new interesting girl, and than I don't bargain with this girl about 50 euro. I want the best sex from this girl and no price discussion or reduced service level.

And be honest to yourself. You know Oase for a very, very long time. You know old top girls like Steffi, Judith, Linda F and more. Do girls on this level still work in the Frankfurt big5 clubs? My answer is 100% No. And why? Because they can't earn enough according her real value. Therefore girls at this level usually don't work anymore in German FKK clubs because earnings are too low.

No increase for the standard sex rate in Germany for more than 20 years. That's ridiculous, for instance pay sex prices in Thailand now at least for times as high as 20 years ago.

But at Germany pay6 sex prices should stay at the same level for ever despite the fact that the working cost for the girls get higher and higher every year.

Go on guys with your 50 euro 30 minutes session according old school. With this policy very soon no top class girl will work anymore in Germany, especially with this registeration law. Meanwhile most top class girls prefer working in other countries with better earnings possibilities.

I have stopped with this 50 euro policy already some years ago. This week I had a top class session at a Frankfurt big 5 club, I was 60 minutes with her in room, according price system around 15 years ago that would cost me 150 Euro, the girl and I agreed on 200 Euro, that was fine for both of us. I received top service, the girl received the agreed money. She knows I will repeat with her and I know I will get also next time top class service for 50 euro more than old price system. For me a fair deal for both in 2019.

[Sirioja]

The way some of the posters here are supporting, some even promoting, increase of pricing for well established standard German FKK services, feels like they are not even customers, rather WGs with fake handles or the managers (pimps) of the WGs.

On the other hand, I'm going to try a different approach in my next visit. We all know that even the hottest and most popular WGs are also complaining many times (though not always) that business is down and they are not making as much as they used to months or years back. Next time any WG who I like complains that she didn't make enough that day, I will ask her to reduce price to get my business, typical market/spot pricing model, with maybe some volume discount for multiple hours if I want to continue. That will be win-win for both the seller and the buyer. Simple!

For cheap sex, you know Dietzenbach close to Sharks. When Switzerland is on average not anymore higher level for looks even much more expensive, when my Russian escorts in Paris are not always prettier and higher level, if I find a FKK beauty who wants to behave like a GF in bed for me, then I will be very happy to spend 100 on her to enjoy her for 1 hour, what is my time standard in Germany and a good rate for a tramp like me who sleep in his car he loves so much, under bridge at Wellcum. I hate grocery for sex, kill my desire, high level girls don't speak about money. But most difficult is to find beauties with charm, then I will do the job to deserve from her.

[The Cane]

Had many times anal, and I don't believe the girls prepare for it, how many times I had a lot of shit on the condom even the last time I had anal at Oase in the room under the relax area, no window, poor ventilation and the girl who name starts with A had even pooped a lot so a lot of. On the sofa left to the door, on the floor and the smell was just terrible after that I decided to never have anal in any FKK. Better to do it with escort at least for me.

All of my visits to FKKs, and I have had only one unpleasant anal experience, and it was not nearly as bad as you describe. Was a Colombian girl who used to work at Oase. That leaves me believing that given how many FKK girls I have butt fucked over the years, I've got to think that the overwhelming majority of the girls who provide anal service have to be preparing themselves. I mean I just can't believe my good fortunes have all been due to pure luck. If I, a prolific cornholer of tutes, had been experiencing anything like what you write, then I would not like anal at all, and never would have become "The Cane" LOL!