German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Steve 9696]

So I had trouble with my flights to Graz and ended up in Frankfurt for the night. Report forthcoming. But the biggest surprise of all was the ATM rate at Sharks! No surcharge and great market rate. Wow. Complete surprise for a strip / FKK club.

[Bfsie]

Thank you.

Do you pay by the hour? Around here, the usual practice is to pay per meet, or even per week or per month if the deal becomes a long term arrangement. As Steve said, it could be a couple of hours or 3 or 4 hours, depending on mutual availability, mutual schedules and level of interest. That said, it is very rare for any meet to end in less than 2 hours in my experience.

In Germany the sugarbabies are also paid per meet like in America. By using my tactics and strategy, all of my meetings were no more than one hour, so the prices in my previous post are the prices per meet and some of my meetings lasted 30 minutes with total cost of 80 euro.

I don't know the sugarbaby scene in America since I retired in my very early 40's more than 15 years ago as a successful bond trader in one of the major wall-street financial firms in New York and moved from New York to Europe to pursue this hobby (well, for me it is addiction LOL).

But I think that the tactics and strategy should be similar everywhere whether it is America or Europe. Unfortunately in this sugarbaby business you have to harmlessly lie. For example, you can say to a local sugar baby that I am a married man and only have time during lunch break, so I can do maximum one hour during lunch break and pay you $200 (or whatever). Vast majority (if not most) of the local sugar babies will do it from my experience because FUNDAMENTALLY they were already open to prostitution mentally and $200 is good money for any girl for one fuck. If she were a non-working girl, she would have to work her ass off for at least 2 days to earn $200. One condition though: you have to be doable in her eyes and with some sophistication. I am pretty sure that you and Steve are presentable and sophisticated since you guys represent your companies and travel around world for your company business.

[Sirioja]

I will be in Paris for around a week. I need help deciding whether to monger in Paris or travel to any FKK clubs in Germany to make the max out of these days?

If FKK, which one would be the best?

I was born, live and work in Paris which is my life. According to my last stroll or rdv4 U experiences, even some were good, but I prefer now FKK land where I find even only few but prettier Romanians than Russians now touring in Paris. If You are between 12 and 22 September, take train to Frankfurt where IAA which should attract girls at Oase, Sharks, Mainhattan and Palace.

[ILuvIndie]

I will be in Paris for around a week. I need help deciding whether to monger in Paris or travel to any FKK clubs in Germany to make the max out of these days?

If FKK, which one would be the best?

[Ctytek]

VR brain machine interfaces my arse. I personally plan to keep screwing warm bodied human females, until I no longer can. But you have fun with the VR goggles and rubber dolls, LOL.

But what does that have to do with FKK's?

Personally I think the future lies in brain machine interfaces, and sex in a VR world where touch feels realistic. But it is at least 5 years away, and probably 10 before it has started maturing with content and good interfaces.

[GuyBrusg1957]

Thanks for the kind words O. I enjoy keeping track and sharing and I love it when I can help out fellow enthusiasts. Glad to hear it's useful and welcome. Keep flying the FKK flag till I return!

You should totally post a guide. All too often most the girls are just straight up scams and it's hard to find the diamond in the rough.

[Pessimist]

I thought this lady who did her college thesis on Sugar Babying did a really good job.

https://curve.carleton.ca/system/fil...lorationof.pdf

It is cited in some more sensationalized articles.

https://www.mndaily.com/article/2019...y-of-minnesota

Like all sex work, it encompasses a wide variety of ages. A consistent theme of many female participants is that they do not consider themselves prostitutes. None of us really know quite what to think of that statement, since we all like prostitutes.

Now that the United States in particular has made it relatively more difficult for escorts to advertise, there appears to be an increase in the interest in the Sugar Baby system. For escorts and Johns with existing lists, the new USA Law was not quite as much of an immediate concern, but for a lot of the new "relationships", the Sugar Baby system is getting a lot of attention. But it is a different structure than seeing an escort since it is geared toward longer-term arrangements.

Time will tell how it all turns out. For what it is worth, internally the Sugar Baby sites are reported to be trying to keep more traditional escorts from joining and advertising by monitoring ads and conversations within their websites.

If you have been on sugar babe sites, and I would broadly extend this to apps like Tinder where also I find a decent number of paid sex choices, you will know that the success ratio is not 90% nor even 50%. I don't know what's the definition of prostitution. There are people who say all marriages involve prostitution to the extent the female provides sex in exchange for security and upkeep (not all marriages, as many western women these days make more money than their husbands). Be that as it may, my success rate in a place like any FKK club is near 99% or at least high 90's as I can remember very very few rejections in any club over time. I challenge any guy who can say he was rejected by less than 1% of the girls or 5% on a site like seeking.com, unless the guy is hitting up only loser skanks and fat no-hopers. I have to say my comments here are limited to US sugar babe sites, no clue how this works in EU.

But I do agree with you that the sugarbabe sites are very careful to keep out obvious escorts and prostitutes. I have seen a few porn stars here and there but even their accounts were shut down very quickly. The sites typically have boilerplate disclaimers about prostitutes not being welcome, and deals in the nature of ppm (pay per meet) also not being legal. They want to keep the site alive as they are probably highly profitable and the last thing they need is a regulator cracking down on them and shutting them down because they have the look and feel of prostitution sites.

But guys can quickly figure out if a girl is a tute or a normal girl trying to make some money on the side. For one, a professional will almost always be agreeable to your advances, will respond very quickly, will not want to know that much about you not has any real interest in you, will likely bring up the transaction and even the terms and payments within a short amount of time after saying Hello, and very likely give her number within the first few messages. A normal girl is much more likely to want to know something about you, spend a lot of time wanting to know what you have on mind, and be wanting some amount of wooing. A normal girl will also change her mind for no apparent reason, as many women do and block you. I have never been blocked by a tute unless I rejected her price.

And in my experience, a decent percent of the normal girls I have met on sugar babe sites were also on Tinder. I also didn't find a huge overlap between the "tutes on sugar babe sites" and high end escorts. This is my experience. YMMV.

[Gino02]

But what does that have to do with FKK's?

Personally I think the future lies in brain machine interfaces, and sex in a VR world where touch feels realistic. But it is at least 5 years away, and probably 10 before it has started maturing with content and good interfaces.

https://youtu.be/-cN8sJz50Ng

[Pessimist]

In Germany where I know, there is no standard rate and every girl asks or accepts different price. Your tactics and strategy ultimately decide how much you have to pay. I never paid more than 200 euro per hour and usually 150 euro for the first meeting with almost everything included (no anal and CIM which I haven't asked since they are not my thing), but after the first meeting, I usually paid less and sometimes 80 euro for 30 min because I am 30-min guy LOL.

Thank you.

Do you pay by the hour? Around here, the usual practice is to pay per meet, or even per week or per month if the deal becomes a long term arrangement. As Steve said, it could be a couple of hours or 3 or 4 hours, depending on mutual availability, mutual schedules and level of interest. That said, it is very rare for any meet to end in less than 2 hours in my experience.

[Bfsie]

I'm curious from the Europeans what kind of prices you are paying.

In Germany where I know, there is no standard rate and every girl asks or accepts different price. Your tactics and strategy ultimately decide how much you have to pay. I never paid more than 200 euro per hour and usually 150 euro for the first meeting with almost everything included (no anal and CIM which I haven't asked since they are not my thing), but after the first meeting, I usually paid less and sometimes 80 euro for 30 min because I am 30-min guy LOL.

[Mongerer88]

I don't understand what you mean with sugar baby, is it MILF prostitutes, if yes I will never pay for them so easy to get for free in normal life, for me the girls must be young, fresh. I am 60 YO and this is difficult to get, but to date a 35 or 45 YO woman is very easy if you have some cash and you are not too stupid.

I thought this lady who did her college thesis on Sugar Babying did a really good job.

https://curve.carleton.ca/system/fil...lorationof.pdf

It is cited in some more sensationalized articles.

https://www.mndaily.com/article/2019...y-of-minnesota

Like all sex work, it encompasses a wide variety of ages. A consistent theme of many female participants is that they do not consider themselves prostitutes. None of us really know quite what to think of that statement, since we all like prostitutes.

Now that the United States in particular has made it relatively more difficult for escorts to advertise, there appears to be an increase in the interest in the Sugar Baby system. For escorts and Johns with existing lists, the new USA Law was not quite as much of an immediate concern, but for a lot of the new "relationships", the Sugar Baby system is getting a lot of attention. But it is a different structure than seeing an escort since it is geared toward longer-term arrangements.

Time will tell how it all turns out. For what it is worth, internally the Sugar Baby sites are reported to be trying to keep more traditional escorts from joining and advertising by monitoring ads and conversations within their websites.

[Bfsie]

I don't understand what you mean with sugar baby, is it MILF prostitutes, ...

No, it is not MILF prostitutes. I only do sugarbabies at age 18 and 19, as many readers here probably know from my previous posts that my preference of the girls is under 20 (18+). Actually one of my sugar babies was a virgin when I had sex with her the first time, whom I still see from time to time. I wrote about her in one of my previous posts although I wasn't sure if she was a virgin at that time and she admitted to me recently she was indeed a virgin.

[Pistons]

Good question and I think they should. I think that sugarbaby / sugardaddy is the future of paid sex if mongers look for paid sex with good quality.

Now 80% of my sessions are with sugar babies. That is why I haven't posted anything here for a while and don't plan to write anything here in the future except on the subjects related to sugarbaby. Thank Steve, Pessimist and others for bringing up this subject. I would try to contribute my take on this subject if it comes up here in the future.

But what does that have to do with FKK's?

Personally I think the future lies in brain machine interfaces, and sex in a VR world where touch feels realistic. But it is at least 5 years away, and probably 10 before it has started maturing with content and good interfaces.

[Member #4636]

I don't understand what you mean with sugar baby, is it MILF prostitutes, if yes I will never pay for them so easy to get for free in normal life, for me the girls must be young, fresh. I am 60 YO and this is difficult to get, but to date a 35 or 45 YO woman is very easy if you have some cash and you are not too stupid.

Sugar babies are not MILFS, girls offering illusion to older and generous men and in exchange they get a flat monthly income or they pay for their studies, travel etc. A more modern way of prostitution, it is like an agreement between both sides.

[ExpatLover]

Good question and I think they should. I think that sugarbaby / sugardaddy is the future of paid sex if mongers look for paid sex with good quality.

Now 80% of my sessions are with sugar babies. That is why I haven't posted anything here for a while and don't plan to write anything here in the future except on the subjects related to sugarbaby. Thank Steve, Pessimist and others for bringing up this subject. I would try to contribute my take on this subject if it comes up here in the future.

I don't understand what you mean with sugar baby, is it MILF prostitutes, if yes I will never pay for them so easy to get for free in normal life, for me the girls must be young, fresh. I am 60 YO and this is difficult to get, but to date a 35 or 45 YO woman is very easy if you have some cash and you are not too stupid.