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[Goferring]

So a country ships its dangerous criminals to the other side of the world with no prospect of return? What could possibly go wrong with that. Think Australia.

At least they didn't join the organ sales line.

[PilotPaul]

HDI - 1. Norway 2. Australia?

If I remember, white history in Australia started in 1788 when England sent 11 ships of criminals to the new land.

I was drawing the parallel to China sending their crims to the African continent.

PP.

[NewImage]

So a country ships its dangerous criminals to the other side of the world with no prospect of return? What could possibly go wrong with that. Think Australia.

HDI - 1. Norway 2. Australia?

[Soapy Smith]

So a country ships its dangerous criminals to the other side of the world with no prospect of return? What could possibly go wrong with that. Think Australia.

Think the colony / state of Georgia.

[PilotPaul]

A particularly sinister aspect of President Xi's belt and road initiative in African countries is his use of Chinese prisoners as slave labour on road construction projects. Dangerous criminals from China's penal system are shipped on a one way ticket to an African country. There is no repatriation back to China at the end of a project. The prisoners are just let loose to fend for themselves.

This is similar to Castro allowing Cuban criminals to escape to Miami some thirty years ago.

So a country ships its dangerous criminals to the other side of the world with no prospect of return? What could possibly go wrong with that. Think Australia.

[Engine Driver]

ED.

I fully concur, it is issues like you have raised that will keep most 3rd and near 3rd world countries from developing.

China is dominating the construction business in this part of the world, China looks at the economic expansion into business as just one way of them achieving dominance over a lot of the 3rd world.

Look at what they are doing in Africa, the enter into development agreements with the governments in return for rights to extract the natural resources, they will screw these countries with no concern for environmental and worker protection in furtherance of their own ends.

A particularly sinister aspect of President Xi's belt and road initiative in African countries is his use of Chinese prisoners as slave labour on road construction projects. Dangerous criminals from China's penal system are shipped on a one way ticket to an African country. There is no repatriation back to China at the end of a project. The prisoners are just let loose to fend for themselves.

This is similar to Castro allowing Cuban criminals to escape to Miami some thirty years ago.

[Kabul Guy]

If a government doesn't have the cash up front, a PPP makes a lot of sense. However, .....

ED.

I fully concur, it is issues like you have raised that will keep most 3rd and near 3rd world countries from developing.

China is dominating the construction business in this part of the world, China looks at the economic expansion into business as just one way of them achieving dominance over a lot of the 3rd world.

Look at what they are doing in Africa, the enter into development agreements with the governments in return for rights to extract the natural resources, they will [CodeWord123] these countries with no concern for environmental and worker protection in furtherance of their own ends.

[PilotPaul]

PP,

Check his posting history which is mix of comments and questions about curing STDs, asking about hotel, e visas, in Venezuela, Madagascar plus he has been to the Philippines before so why ask this question? 147 FRs of questions and comments and as he has been to the country before (his posted in AC in 2018 some questions about the bar fines) he should know the answer.

But some just love to ask questions as are scared of their own shadow and believe everything on You Tube and Facebook rather than read and research in the real world.

Hi WR,

I can see that my post did not keep the context. I was suggesting that Trevor2522 be checking the posting history of the Youtube commentators.

[Engine Driver]

If you want to get away from this then make things like the airport a Public Private Partnership or PPP where the private company, which will be a large international finance organization, builds the airport or port or whatever and then charges the rent and operating fees directly to recoup their money. This happens typically over a period of 25 to 40 years and then the facility is given to the government to continue to operate.

If a government doesn't have the cash up front, a PPP makes a lot of sense. However, with the rigid enforcement of the UK Bribery Act, the US Foreign Corrupt Practices Act and Section 70.2 of the Criminal Code Act (Australia), most reputable financiers and construction companies from the west would dare not bid for this project. The Chief Hippie from Montreal would probably make a concession for his mates at SNC Lavalin. Only companies from countries with poor corporate governance like Korea and China would be prepared to take it on. Having said that, President Xi would be able to complete this project in record time under his signature belt and road initiative (BRI) if sufficient money was paid into various Swiss bank accounts. I can just see everyone from the Barangay Captain's wife through to the Minister's daughter all lining up for their share of the pie.

The other issue is that agreeing the scope, producing the reference design, working out the airport operator's concessions, embarking on land acquisition and doing the environmental impact assessment could literally take 10-15 years. Officials in the various planning departments would milk this phase of the project such that even their grandkids are set up for life. The other issue with a PPP is sovereign risk. What if the government in the Philippines misses its service payment to the consortium? Abatements would also be onerous.

[Wicked Roger]

Check the posing history of people upon which you read comments.

PP,

Check his posting history which is mix of comments and questions about curing STDs, asking about hotel, e visas, in Venezuela, Madagascar plus he has been to the Philippines before so why ask this question? 147 FRs of questions and comments and as he has been to the country before (his posted in AC in 2018 some questions about the bar fines) he should know the answer.

But some just love to ask questions as are scared of their own shadow and believe everything on You Tube and Facebook rather than read and research in the real world.

[Kabul Guy]

Would have to go to a Philippines corp with considerable connections. After the NAIA T3 fiasco I cannot imagine too many international consortium would want to bid.

https://philippineslifestyle.com/ger...fter-14-years/

This is an ongoing problem with projects in third world and near third world countries.

The local people managing the program are unfamiliar with the rules governing contracting and like to think that they can order around the contractor despite the contracts saying otherwise, they demand contracts to their friends and make other amateur mistakes that will drive up costs. Basically people who have never managed a budget more than a few thousand dollars can be e put in charge of programs worth hundreds of millions or more.

When the multi national development banks. ADB and World Bank, get involved their procedures just make it worse, there is the appearance that because an international organization is involved that things will be above board, often their staff is just as corrupt and incompetent as the local staff, just from a different country, that they do some of the same things then back away saying that they really didn't issue those instructions.

If you want to get away from this then make things like the airport a Public Private Partnership or PPP where the private company, which will be a large international finance organization, builds the airport or port or whatever and then charges the rent and operating fees directly to recoup their money. This happens typically over a period of 25 to 40 years and then the facility is given to the government to continue to operate.

No system is fool proof but when you start off with one that puts the fools in charge you are headed for a disaster.

[PilotPaul]

Someone recently posted a comment under one of the Philippine general-travel YouTube videos, warning of undercover cops, male and female, busting both Johns and hoes. Has anyone witnessed or heard any evidence of this? Not another one of Duterte's instant-justice campaigns, I hope! Adult prostitution IS illegal but a blind eye is normally turned.

Someone somewhere posted something.

Do you believe everything that you read in youtube comments?

Check the posing history of people upon which you read comments.

[Trevor2522]

Someone recently posted a comment under one of the Philippine general-travel YouTube videos, warning of undercover cops, male and female, busting both Johns and hoes. Has anyone witnessed or heard any evidence of this? Not another one of Duterte's instant-justice campaigns, I hope! Adult prostitution IS illegal but a blind eye is normally turned.

[PilotPaul]

Manila will get a new Airport:

https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1077896

Would have to go to a Philippines corp with considerable connections. After the NAIA T3 fiasco I cannot imagine too many international consortium would want to bid.

https://philippineslifestyle.com/ger...fter-14-years/

[Wicked Roger]

Manila will get a new Airport:

https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1077896

In about 10 years if we are lucky and is it the right location and will the infrastructure meet the needs of passengers to get to the city.

The new airport has been around many years and nothing really happened. Under the current president he is at least pushing for huge infrastructure projects.

But this is the Philippines so if will take time I think.