Kyiv

[Member #4722]

Hey guys,

Thanks for taking the the time to share your experiences! I will be visiting Kyiv in a few days and will be reporting back after my trip, but if anyone is around to grab a drink and explore let me know!

Quick question, I've read some recent reports of people visiting Rio and specifying they paid 300 USD in hryvnias. I remember grabbing a few drinks at Rio last Oct and I could have swear they guy I met there took out a girl and paid in USD (maybe I'm wrong). Anyone know if I can pay with USD or does it have to be hryvnias?

Yes you can pay in USD.

[Jerkus]

Hey guys,

Thanks for taking the the time to share your experiences! I will be visiting Kyiv in a few days and will be reporting back after my trip, but if anyone is around to grab a drink and explore let me know!

Quick question, I've read some recent reports of people visiting Rio and specifying they paid 300 USD in hryvnias. I remember grabbing a few drinks at Rio last Oct and I could have swear they guy I met there took out a girl and paid in USD (maybe I'm wrong). Anyone know if I can pay with USD or does it have to be hryvnias?

[PhotoSlider]

As for sponsoring, to each his own. I have no need for novelty or exciting sex or for impressing other guys regarding number ratings, but I have a very strong need for reliable access, anytime I want, to a well-behaved young woman who I would be happy to be seen in public with even if I were her age, to speak nothing of my current age which is 30 years older than her. For many years before I met this girl, I felt like a sexual loser. Whether freebies or paid, all the women I met between 2002 or thereabouts and 2017 struck me as big steps down from what I was had experienced previously and what I really wanted. Either I wasn't sexually attracted to the women or the women made it obvious they weren't sexually attracted to me. I don't ask my current girl how she feels about me sexually. Maybe she's acting. If so, she's doing a very convincing job. All in all, the happiness she brings me is well worth the money I pay her, which I hardly notice given my current financial situation. So that's one way to look at sponsoring. Namely, as an insurance policy (and possibly an inexpensive policy depending on your financial situation), to insure you never feel sexually deprived.

The above matches my philosophy as well. Not 100%, but to a significant extent.

In fact I have to say big thanks to Kozerog, because after readjusting my mongering approach, I just returned from 7 weeks stay in Kiev with 5 K USD still in my pocket, instead of improving Ukrainian economy one girl at a time. This is unheard of, especially considering the length of stay. In the past after departure I had barely one cab fare in UAH for my next trip.

Yes, I did spend substantial amount during this trip as well. But it was mostly balancing act between 3 dedicated girls competing for my attention and resources, interspersed with hourly workers.

I also rejected even more easily this time, wasn't manipulated by skillful young female playing up to my vanity, and walked away literally or over various messengers without any regrets or hurt feelings.

When one of the dedicated girls stayed with me for a few days, I was content without the need for more excitement. Having young feminine work of art nearby in the bed, easily accessible for a few days (but definitely not weeks) eliminated the need for rapid fire with agency girls one after another. I did promote one new acquaintance to a regular, due to her beauty and exceptional attitude. And where in the past it was hundreds of USD per day, now it was few thousand UAH, if any.

When either of the ladies felt too comfortable, she was politely invited to the exit.

I also gave my favorite girl a nice size bonus on our last date.

I fully realize that many of us mongers cannot stay in Kiev that long, away from their main residence. But it is difficult to succeed in Kiev without having feet on the ground frequently or for long periods of time. And surprisingly the longer I stay, the less I spend.

I spent less in all categories: total for the duration of stay, per average day, and per capita, that is per each girl. By the last count I still managed to have 28 individual girls, or 4 girls each week. There were 24 hour periods in the beginning with 3-4 girls still. A year ago 5 weeks stay ended up with headcount of 50 or 10 girls a week.

I understand that many ISG Forum members do few girls a day per short few days visits. I am myself guilty of having 6 girls, including one threesome during 36 hours stint in 2014.

Anyway, thanks to Kozerog for explaining his approach. Him and myself are still differ quite a bit. But his posts helped to radically change my expenses, and most importantly the level of my satisfaction.

Vitrea and others may confirm the level of some of the ladies, more permanent, and random ones. No way I am posting their photos here on Forum, especially civilians.

Statistical analysis of the last visit is still pending.

[Kozerog]

She is cute. 6 all day long, no way an 8.

Please don't argue with him. Together with his rating of Riina's girl, we now exactly know how to discount his statements.

As for sponsoring, to each his own. I have no need for novelty or exciting sex or for impressing other guys regarding number ratings, but I have a very strong need for reliable access, anytime I want, to a well-behaved young woman who I would be happy to be seen in public with even if I were her age, to speak nothing of my current age which is 30 years older than her. For many years before I met this girl, I felt like a sexual loser. Whether freebies or paid, all the women I met between 2002 or thereabouts and 2017 struck me as big steps down from what I was had experienced previously and what I really wanted. Either I wasn't sexually attracted to the women or the women made it obvious they weren't sexually attracted to me. I don't ask my current girl how she feels about me sexually. Maybe she's acting. If so, she's doing a very convincing job. All in all, the happiness she brings me is well worth the money I pay her, which I hardly notice given my current financial situation. So that's one way to look at sponsoring. Namely, as an insurance policy (and possibly an inexpensive policy depending on your financial situation), to insure you never feel sexually deprived.

[Gopnik]

I was in Miami beach staying at the W hotel with this Ukie cutie. I remember sitting at the bar and thinking this is a waste of my time and money. She doesn't want to be my friend. It's better just to fuck them and move on. I'll leave my friendships for relationships that are not financially based.

I'd love to invest all that time jumping from girl to girl but as a business man in Kyiv, I don't have so much idle time to waste. Time is money and I like consistency in my pussy.

[DramaFree11]

Visited this beautiful country of Ukraine recently. Messaged my chick and she sent her pics which I did not like. Asked if she had a friend and she sent me her pictures and instantly asked for her contact. Back and forth and this girl wants me to take her only and is reluctant to share her friends contact. Put my foot down and clearly told her want her friend only. She quoted me 250 for each and then came down to 200. I agreed on this but for her friend only. She even offered me both for $300 for 5-6 hours. I said no, was in mood for a marathon run with both. I only wanted her friend. Got her contact messaged and asked her to come. Within no time she was standing on my door and knocked. Looked nice, decent figure, well dressed and smiling personality and a good face better than the picture honestly. I was happy to see her, we went out to the nearest supermarket, bought chocolates whiskey vodka and stuff for the act. Back in the room she takes a shower and asks me to do the same. We start kissing. I hug her tightly and DFK for 5-7 minutes followed by pussy eating and rimming. She was moaning with pleasure. I wore my suit and before she knows it I was in her ass, she did not want me to go there but I made her read the viber chat where I clearly stated with ass..

She is cute. 6 all day long, now way an 8.

[SuperLove]

Visited this beautiful country of Ukraine recently. Messaged my chick and she sent her pics which I did not like. Asked if she had a friend and she sent me her pictures and instantly asked for her contact. Back and forth and this girl wants me to take her only and is reluctant to share her friends contact. Put my foot down and clearly told her want her friend only. She quoted me 250 for each and then came down to 200. I agreed on this but for her friend only. She even offered me both for $300 for 5-6 hours. I said no, was in mood for a marathon run with both. I only wanted her friend. Got her contact messaged and asked her to come. Within no time she was standing on my door and knocked. Looked nice, decent figure, well dressed and smiling personality and a good face better than the picture honestly. I was happy to see her, we went out to the nearest supermarket, bought chocolates whiskey vodka and stuff for the act. Back in the room she takes a shower and asks me to do the same. We start kissing. I hug her tightly and DFK for 5-7 minutes followed by pussy eating and rimming. She was moaning with pleasure. I wore my suit and before she knows it I was in her ass, she did not want me to go there but I made her read the viber chat where I clearly stated with ass. Once in her small hole she did not want me to come out. She really liked it it was small and tight. I was eating and licking her toe and ears by now. She finished off but I went on. We had a good 5-6 hour session. Made out a few times with a break in between, visited nearest bar for drinks. Paid her 100 when she entered the room and the next 100 when she left though she insisted on the entire amount before the act. My summary.

Looks 8/10.

Body 8/10.

Attitude 9.5/10.

Sex 9/10.

Money $200 though if I had pushed a little could have been 150 easily.

Overall fun 8.5/10.

She told me how her city got bombed by the Russians and she had to run to Kiev, she shuttles between Kiev and Moscow now. Does not complain though of her present life I think she enjoys it now. No bad stories and sobbing in between.

For all you horny mongers see her picture, have cropped eyes to hide her identification. She worked well for me but guess what's good for me may not be for you, let me know what you think of her.

Happy fucking and always make them scream.

[PhotoSlider]

Sounds like you met some noobs. Most girls rarely use condoms before escorting.

Most likely it is, as you say, lack of practice. Either way, I do not trespass the territory of unprotected vaginal intercourse anymore by my own choice.

One of the girls is erotic massage parlor employee, and doesn't practice penetration there.

Another one was into her second day on the job ever.

The third one is only 19 years old and without any makeup by Ukrainian standards is rated under 8.

I had dozens and dozens of girls in Kiev. Only one suggested unprotected. In fact she insisted. And was evicted.

[Member #4722]

I was in Miami beach staying at the W hotel with this Ukie cutie. I remember sitting at the bar and thinking this is a waste of my time and money. She doesn't want to be my friend. It's better just to fuck them and move on. I'll leave my friendships for relationships that are not financially based.

This one looks good! I would agree with this sentiment unless you visit Kiev often then probably worth it if there's a good connection.

[Riina]

I use online methods but not exclusively. I do, on occasion, approach girls in my day-to-day experiences, For example, I met a pretty university student in Shuliavska who was handing out flyers and looking pretty miserable about it. I struck up a conversation with her and in a week started sponsoring her. The fact I live and work in Kyiv full-time was the turning point for her as I think she could justify it as a relationship or something.

I was in Miami beach staying at the W hotel with this Ukie cutie. I remember sitting at the bar and thinking this is a waste of my time and money. She doesn't want to be my friend. It's better just to fuck them and move on. I'll leave my friendships for relationships that are not financially based.

[Riina]

During the last visit some of the Ukrainian ladies managed to put the condom on me with good confidence, some did it in a rather artistic manner, the best ones achieved the desired result without hands.

At the same time not all, but most of the civilian girls struggled. I am not the biggest, and I did bring good size protection, and at least 3 of them gave up in the process.

Sounds like you met some noobs. Most girls rarely use condoms before escorting.

[PhotoSlider]

During the last visit some of the Ukrainian ladies managed to put the condom on me with good confidence, some did it in a rather artistic manner, the best ones achieved the desired result without hands.

At the same time not all, but most of the civilian girls struggled. I am not the biggest, and I did bring good size protection, and at least 3 of them gave up in the process.

Maybe they avoided performing oral, except two out of those five did BBBJ, and one of them visibly enjoyed it, I literally had to pull her off, and give her the condom because in the past I ended up coming in her mouth twice, and I prefer the other receptacle.

Anyway she tried and then said: "I don't know how to do it!" So again, I had to.

Did any of you experienced something like that? Maybe it's as simple as avoiding sucking on pre-lubricated condom?

[Oosik]

I had two days in Kiev in late September. My hotel was truly three doors down from Rio but I never got the chance because I had already become entranced by the supposedly (but who the hell knows what has been done to the pics?) lovely Liza, I believe the same one that PhotoSlider, et al, were discussing in July. She is on the escort. Vc website at $250/$350 for one / two hours. I went with the two hours because is you're in for the $250, why not double your fun for just a hundred more? Marketing people positively LOVE me.

It was certainly no mistake. Obviously chemistry varies but I found her utterly charming even before the clothes came off. Very good English and a great conversationalist, not just the usual shallow sort of BS I've become accustomed to. If the pictures are retouched, it was a very light job. One of the top ten in looks that I've ever been with. The view from behind was awesome. How awesome? Normally when the condom goes on the flag goes to half-staff and and next thing you know we are back to the OWO. Nope! She pretty much wore me out, and she was doing all the work! I felt it the next day: it's been forever since things lasted that long!

Definitely worth every penny. I am seriously considering a return visit, and I live halfway around the world!

[HobbyMan6969]

Thursday night it was raining lightly so I didn't have a chance to walk around (no umbrella). I decided to head out to Caribbean club. It was an older crowd of women and men again with the same hookers I seen last week walking around. One girl who was 7. 5 rating quoted me 200 dollars. I was hesitant and told her I would think about it. A tall girl (6 foot 2) walks in and was stunning (I would rate an 8). I wait till she gets to the bar to talk to her. She quotes me 300 us dollars an hour. I really didn't want to spend this kinda money all throughout my vacation here as it raises the prices for everyone else and it makes me go broke faster. I was hoping to score these 7's and 8's for 2000 gryvnia. The reality is for what's left of hot girls in Kiev that are pro will charge the foreigners 200 to 300 us dollars for 2-3 hours. I still believe you can get the under 6 rating girls for 100 us dollars or less. Well, back to my write up the tall girl made me so horny so I accepted. She got back to my place I had to pay 500 gryvnia to buy her out of Caribbean club for take out plus the 300 usd in gryvnia for her services. I think Caribbean club hires some girls to "work" here. The tall girl ended up being around 5 foot 11 without heels. She really knew how to work it and the money was well spent.

Bang 6: I got a girl from mamba to come over. A petite blonde who is trying to support her son. She was probably a 6 to me. She agreed on 100 usd in gryvnia for a few hours. We had classic sex and she gave me a massage at the end. She could speak a little bit of English so we conversed in some English. She told me her story of leaving donetsk warzone to better her and her sons life in Kiev. She told me she is a waitress as her first job. Well, anyways she didn't seem pro to me and someone looking for extra cash.

Club update: I was able to get into skybar with a guided tour guide that got me in. It actually sucked, there were some hot girls in there, however; it seemed more guys than girls and the place was packed. Most girls were sitting at someones VIP table or in a secluded area of super super VIP status. It looked like all locals were in there and not a lot of tourists. I was wanting to find a gold digger to come back to my place but the vibe sucked. I left after an hour.

Date 2: the hottest girl I asked on a date agrees to go on date only to leave after 2 hours stating her friend (girl) wants to meet her. I was a little angry that I didn't get my bang from her which left me in a foul mood for mamba girl 2.

Mamba girl 2: got another girl to come over from mamba, she was supposed to meet me another night except she didn't answer her texts in time. This was her second chance, she told me she would meet me at a certain time, she texts me 2 hours later saying she is finally coming. I text her back she took too long and I won't meet her. She ended up taking a taxi and arrived at my place, I told her the answer is no. She sends me a video stating she choose me out of all the guys and I was special and she isn't prostitute. I'm like, your meeting me for money so yes you are. She said she has a bottle of alcohol and wants to come in I again tell her no. I would have let her in if I wasn't in a bad mood from the date that went bad.

Last night in Kiev and last update: it is my last night here and I don't think I'll try to get one night sex from the local clubs. I will probably go to Caribbean club or club Rio to get easy lay.

Recap:

*if your paying to play it seems club Rio, Scarlette, and Caribbean club are easy.

*mamba is harder as it takes a long time to get the girls to respond and lots of messaging back and forth to agree on time. The pros for mamba are the girls are cheaper than the clubs.

*seeking arrangement site all girls wanted 500 usd or 1000 usd, way too much and not worth it.

*walking around looking for girls for dates: your mileage might vary and the level of English they know will vary. You might find girl for girlfriend, semi pro college student, or just a girl who might want free one night sex. You will probably have to have good looks for free one night sex and sex appeal to them. Most local girls walking around are hotter than the average girl in the united states. I seen some hot girls with busted looking dudes. However, most hot girls were with a handsome guy. I liked the ratio of average hot girls than I see back in my hometown in the united states. You have to have conversational Russian there just is no other way. Not all girls speak English and it is great when they do know English. However; you have to at least game then in Russian first then ask if they speak English. This year I noticed more girls wearing tennis shoes instead of heels or dress shoes and dressing down compared to last year. I hate that western dress has come to Ukraine. I visit Ukraine to see feminine women, I predict eventually you will see more homely looking social justice looking women and feminism creep into eastern Europe.

Escort sites: I had no luck with these, all the girls sent were ugly and fatter which looked nothing like the pictures. The dispatcher who you are texting will try to send you pics of other girls. I just lost trust in them and said no. I didn't choose kec as I was paying the same money for girls at club Rio, Scarlette, and Caribbean club who I actually get to see if they are hot or not.

[Gopnik]

I am into students as well. Its becoming harder to separate the wheat from the chaff. My main options are SA / Tinder / Instagram / classifieds. Tried all this with varying luck. Which clubs do most of the students hang out? Is it better to meet them at the coffee shops and strike a conversation and eventually become a sponsor for them.

I'm not an expert on clubs as I've always thought there were a terrible place to meet girls, but others might disagree.

I use online methods but not exclusively. I do, on occasion, approach girls in my day-to-day experiences, For example, I met a pretty university student in Shuliavska who was handing out flyers and looking pretty miserable about it. I struck up a conversation with her and in a week started sponsoring her. The fact I live and work in Kyiv full-time was the turning point for her as I think she could justify it as a relationship or something.

I do go to Zhytomyr on occasion as a business partner I have there sometimes introduces me to university aged girls but most of them are below my standards. I usually just meet for dinner this lovely young lawyer with big tits who has been following me on Instagram for some time and is happy to fuck my brains out for a gift.