Bangkok Massage Parlors - TULIP ONLY!

[DanCee]

Looks like the Tulip thread has been invaded by Curly, Larry and Moe giving us their wisdom and insights (not).

Pity.

[Syzygies]

Every one of them was a bit scared to do it the first time. All of them realized later it wasn't nearly as difficult or distasteful as they thought it would be and actually appreciate that there is a lot less interaction with the smell, feel and taste of it when they quickly swallow instead of spit.

In all my CIMs with Thais, Europeans, black girls etc. , I never asked one to swallow. I don't recall a single one that swallowed of their own accord. So not one of them thought it was really desirable. Some of these girls have done many many CIMs some less.

Certain porn stars in Thailand at Tulip etc. Mentioned that the taste varies a lot from almost acceptable to outright vile, depending on the guy. Girls have not told me my cum tastes great or vile. They probably don't think it is polite to do so.

The natural reaction of anyone with something sticky and unpleasant in the mouth, is to spit it out. Sticky stuff can get stuck in the throat and make one gag. I have no problem with their decision. Wanting a girl to swallow something unpleasant, well that is just beyond my comprehension other than it mimicks nasty porn movies. Of course porn stars get paid to swallow just to make it seem more extreme, so other girls can be paid to swallow too.

Its enough for me that girls are willing to take a CIM for our enjoyment. Swallowing is not going to increase my enjoyment. The stuff already left me.

I am willing to do a 30 min DATY for a girl's enjoyment if she needs that much time (the tongue is something that does not tire), however not if she tastes unpleasant. My ex farang wife was definitely in the tastes unpleasant category. Most Thai girls are good though.

Girls should do what they like doing. They should be having fun too, if with me. I know many guys don't care in the slightest if the girl has a good time. If girl is not into having fun, I probably don't repeat unless she is stunning, and then she may get another chance to get more into it possibly with alcohol assist to help her loosen up.

Girls following procedures and going through the motions don't really work that well for me. You can be sure all my regulars are seeming to be getting it off too, at least sometimes. One ex regular was a wild fuck, got excited and worked up, but got her pop only on occasions, a girl that came with difficulty. Girls that habitually refuse to get into it are just not my types.

It surprised me that I found a great GFE girl on SOI 4 Naam (who is no longer there -sponsored by someone). Was easy to see she was really into sex big time, fabulous tongue kisser for example, however she requested no CIP. No problem for me. I really love that go for it attitude in a girl, but I am happy she does what she likes doing.

[EihTooms]

You quote me but the word Psycho does not appear in that context. So I don't exactly claim what you claim I claim.

Contrary to what Goat says, many Thais Make a big distinction between what goes in the mouth and what goes in the pussy, even if they enjoy good sex. I am sure my Mrs would be horrified if I spurted in her mouth, let alone swallow. Not all girls are "pornstars". Obviously guys that must CIM will see if different.

I like CIM fine myself, but is not mandatory. Girl can swallow if she wants to. Its not up to me and I don't care. Extremely few do swallow in Thailand and same experience of hookers in Europe as well. One could argue that all these hookers don't like sex, but many are in fact orgasmic, so they do at least like some aspects of it, especially the DATY. I find very few good fucks in Thailand (or European hookers) are knocking back a nice DATY, but also very few are swallowing.

I think you underestimate how accepting of a Swallow finish instead of a Spit finish many Thai girls are. What goes in their mouth? These girls gobble up durian, eat scorpions, bugs, grubs, duck embryos and whatever crawls and flies around and gets chopped up into somtam at street carts.

I have 8-9 fairly recently added regular non pro and P4P girls in my "stable" of quick and easy contacts, most in their 20's, a couple in their early 30's, all attractive, who happily swallow for me but say they never did before. The only difference between me and previous boyfriends and customers is I asked them to do it. Like many things in life: you don't ask, you don't get.

Every one of them was a bit scared to do it the first time. All of them realized later it wasn't nearly as difficult or distasteful as they thought it would be and actually appreciate that there is a lot less interaction with the smell, feel and taste of it when they quickly swallow instead of spit.

Whether it is shaving their pussy, going bareback, giving any kind of BJ at all, completing one with CIM, swallowing or several other sexual activities, I find most Thai girls are up for many things but will not bring it to the table first themselves for the sake of Face. They want YOU to broach the subject and ask for it. That relieves them.of taking resonsibility for how they got there. Lol. Afterwards, they are often not just fine with it, they would not think of doing it for you any other way.

I would say it's a good think you never want a BJ finish like that because there is practically no chance of you ever getting one if Thai girls sense you are as revolted and disapproving of it as you seem to be here.

[Syzygies]

No, my point was to refute your assertion that a man expecting or preferring a girl to swallow instead of spit at the end of a blowjob must be "Psycho", into degrading or victimizing the girl. I find that assessment to preposterous and silly.

You quote me but the word Psycho does not appear in that context. So I don't exactly claim what you claim I claim.

Contrary to what Goat says, many Thais Make a big distinction between what goes in the mouth and what goes in the pussy, even if they enjoy good sex. I am sure my Mrs would be horrified if I spurted in her mouth, let alone swallow. Not all girls are "pornstars". Obviously guys that must CIM will see if different.

I like CIM fine myself, but is not mandatory. Girl can swallow if she wants to. Its not up to me and I don't care. Extremely few do swallow in Thailand and same experience of hookers in Europe as well. One could argue that all these hookers don't like sex, but many are in fact orgasmic, so they do at least like some aspects of it, especially the DATY. I find very few good fucks in Thailand (or European hookers) are knocking back a nice DATY, but also very few are swallowing.

[Franciscass]

CIM. Swallow. Some girls like it actually want it I have been there, some hate it. Some working girls don't like it but include it in their skill set as its good for business. Some girlfriends don't like it but do it thinking it will make her boyfriend like her more. Why some guys like doing the swallowing bit I don't get but if that's what turns them on and the girl is willing go for it.

[Mr Benn]

I was in BKK recently and had a list of providers / venues I wanted to try, and Leena and Ying made the list given the strongly positive reviews they've received on this forum.

I've been to Tulip once awhile back (had Golf), so I knew what to expect in the appearance of the girls. I've never seen Leena or Ying, so my plan was to walk in and see the goods before deciding, instead of booking in advance. I didn't want to take up the girls' slots in case I didn't like what I see and decided to cancel.

Visit #1:

Walked in after lunch. Both Leena and Ying were not there to my dismay. I inspected the lineup and, yeah, it was pretty bad. The only one that I was somewhat OK with was Janet, who was smiling at me the hardest. I was tempted to try Janet but held back due to some recent negative reports on her here. However, I did have a specific fantasy in mind -- cumswapping -- and was curious to know if Janet would provide this service. I pulled her aside and asked if I can do a 3 some with her, cum in her mouth, and have her kiss another girl with my cum. She happily agreed and indicated she can do this with Nadear (I'm 90% sure she said Nadear. She pointed to a short-haired girl with dyed orange / yellow hair. Is that her? I was very tempted but in the end, couldn't pull the trigger as I wanted to try Leena more.

Excellent report, MrKim. Two detailed girl reports combined with thought-provoking observations and opinions. Many thanks for sharing this with us. The service at Tulip can be amazing but, as you correctly point out, one has to overcome the yuk factor first.

[EihTooms]

Agreed. A woman who truly enjoys sex is not cumphobic and loves our juices and smells just as much as we love theirs.

Exactly. Of course, when it comes to P4P where the girl might not truly enjoy anything she is asked to do sexually, she has the right to refuse to so much as provide BBBJ as mere foreplay, a BBBJ+CIM, BBBJ+CIM+Swallow or anything else. Then, imo, if the customer has not negotiated for any of those things, if the girl has not proposed and agreed to do them upfront or if some of those items are not spelled out in a menu as is the case in some MPs, the customer does not have the right to reduce the amount of money he agreed to pay for her time. Buyer beware.

On the other hand, if a P4P girl assures a customer upfront that she will indeed Swallow and not spit out his his cum at the point of his orgasm if he pays her X amount of money but at crunch time she asserts her right to change her mind and spit it out instead, he then has the right to reduce her pay down to zero as far as I am concerned. But only reducing it by, oh, 80% or so might be more practical depending on the circumstances.

For a non P4P, real boyfriend-girlfriend relationship, a girl also has every right to spit instead of swallow, of course. And, fair is fair, if she chooses to spit, I then have every right to dump her ass ASAP and get a much better girlfriend. Which I most assuredly will do.

[Goatscrot]

No, my point was to refute your assertion that a man expecting or preferring a girl to swallow instead of spit at the end of a blowjob must be "Psycho", into degrading or victimizing the girl. I find that assessment to preposterous and silly.

Agreed. A woman who truly enjoys sex is not cumphobic and loves our juices and smells just as much as we love theirs.

[Goatscrot]

But would you or do you still pull out to cum on a girl if you know there is virtually no chance she would get pregnant if you came inside her?

I'd far rather pull out and paint 'them. Have no desire to squirt in a vag. Mouth is a different story. CIM is fine.

[EihTooms]

Grew up coming on not coming in. All about being paranoid about getting gals preggers even though they claimed to be on the pill.

But would you or do you still pull out to cum on a girl if you know there is virtually no chance she would get pregnant if you came inside her?

[EihTooms]

So you bring up things totally irrelevant to be sarcastic, but its not that funny. Too much imagination.

The issue was whether the guy requires or expects a girl to swallow, or thinks its exciting some how, but she does not wish to, finding it to be foul stuff. Not at all irrelevant

No, my point was to refute your assertion that a man expecting or preferring a girl to swallow instead of spit at the end of a blowjob must be "Psycho", into degrading or victimizing the girl. I find that assessment to preposterous and silly.

[Syzygies]

That isn't even remotely the point. Of course she has the right to be a lousy sex partner, the right to vomit all over you when you engage in DFK, the right to pick her nose and eat a bogger she digs out of it. So what?

So you bring up things totally irrelevant to be sarcastic, but its not that funny. Too much imagination.

The issue was whether the guy requires or expects a girl to swallow, or thinks its exciting some how, but she does not wish to, finding it to be foul stuff. Not at all irrelevant

[EihTooms]

This reads really quite silly to me. If CIM, the girl surely has right to do what she wants with the cum, and I know that 90% plus will spit it out (probably an under estimate). If she surreptitiously spits it out so as not to be "nasty" to your mind, well and good. I don't care what she does with it. I am no longer its owner. In fact The girl has every right to decide what she drinks, and most girls, find the thought of drinking cum to be quite disgusting, in my experience. Of course only a percentage were happy to take CIM anyway. Some girls find the thought of CIM to be disgusting already. I won't argue with them. I also would not wish to drink it. I met very few girls indeed that ever drank it. Even my old regular Tulip girl did not swallow and she said she would never do so for any customer. One guy wrote triumphantly that she swallowed, but she did not, merely got rid of it when he was not looking.

One girl told me the taste of Cum can vary a lot some okay and some quite horrible. Not sure if relates to guy's diet, age or smoking, or what.

One can't compare to DATY at all, since girls generally do not spurt any such liquid. Okay Some girls do become a lot wetter at orgasm, but it is still not similar. I have wiped my mouth after DATY of occasion or even had to spit, but not common.

Some girls, fortunately rare, refuse to kiss after DATY has occurred, as though they consider their own pussy to have something disgusting. One girl I know used to take CIM but after getting braces does not like to take CIM any more. I guess too hard to clean up with braces.

In men's mags, I rarely read the porn stories. Really only the pics mattered. The stories were as silly as porn movies, O.K. maybe not that silly. Any unromantic bits could be omitted like spitting of CUM.

One ex GF suggested we indulge in telephone sex when apart. Sorry its not the same as real sex (I certainly would not pay for it), and reading stories is even less appealing to me.

I'm not sure why you bring up what a girl has the right to do with the cum. That isn't even remotely the point. Of course she has the right to be a lousy sex partner, the right to vomit all over you when you engage in DFK, the right to pick her nose and eat a booger she digs out of it. So what?

The paperback book porn from Olympia Press I was referring to is not the same as the junk you found written in most girlie or porn magazines back then.

[Syzygies]

Spitting those kinds of body fluids out instead of simply quickly and efficiently swallowing the teaspoon or maximum tablespoonful of liquid produced by both men and women is a nasty, sad, insulting and revolting finish to what is supposed to be an act of willing acceptance of the natural product of your partner's sexual excitement. IMO, spitting at the end of an act of oral sex that is meant to finish orally is only about a half step away from vomiting in terms of a turn off.

This reads really quite silly to me. If CIM, the girl surely has right to do what she wants with the cum, and I know that 90% plus will spit it out (probably an under estimate). If she surreptitiously spits it out so as not to be "nasty" to your mind, well and good. I don't care what she does with it. I am no longer its owner. In fact The girl has every right to decide what she drinks, and most girls, find the thought of drinking cum to be quite disgusting, in my experience. Of course only a percentage were happy to take CIM anyway. Some girls find the thought of CIM to be disgusting already. I won't argue with them. I also would not wish to drink it. I met very few girls indeed that ever drank it. Even my old regular Tulip girl did not swallow and she said she would never do so for any customer. One guy wrote triumphantly that she swallowed, but she did not, merely got rid of it when he was not looking.

One girl told me the taste of Cum can vary a lot some okay and some quite horrible. Not sure if relates to guy's diet, age or smoking, or what.

One can't compare to DATY at all, since girls generally do not spurt any such liquid. Okay Some girls do become a lot wetter at orgasm, but it is still not similar. I have wiped my mouth after DATY of occasion or even had to spit, but not common.

Some girls, fortunately rare, refuse to kiss after DATY has occurred, as though they consider their own pussy to have something disgusting. One girl I know used to take CIM but after getting braces does not like to take CIM any more. I guess too hard to clean up with braces.

In men's mags, I rarely read the porn stories. Really only the pics mattered. The stories were as silly as porn movies, O.K. maybe not that silly. Any unromantic bits could be omitted like spitting of CUM.

One ex GF suggested we indulge in telephone sex when apart. Sorry its not the same as real sex (I certainly would not pay for it), and reading stories is even less appealing to me.

[Goatscrot]

Back in the pre-Internet days, before and during the era of home video, when porn shops were where we got our erotic materials, there was usually a section of the shop devoted to paperback books with sexy stories. Might be hard to believe now, but some of us guys actually read erotic literature as well as looked at girlie magazines and hardcore porn magazines. And many of those books were damn sexy, too.

The sex "scenes" as depicted in the stories did not require the characters to pull out in order to show the "money shot", to prove that an ejaculation actually did occur and so on as was the case with the models in the pictorials and, later, the actors in video tape/dvds. When a girl finished a blowjob in a written erotic story, she didn't have to spit out the cum into her hand or whatever in order to prove he really came in her mouth. The story's author simply wrote the ending the way a blowjob meant to finish orally would happen in real life. And I'm not talking about bizarre extreme sex stories. Just normal ones.

In no case did I ever read a depiction of oral sex, a blowjob or cunnilingus, meant to finish orally instead of on the girls boobs or whatever conclude with anything remotely like, "and then she lovingly and discretely spit out his cum into a tissue." Nor did I ever read anything like, "as her squeals of delight from his licking her pussy subsided, he leaned judiciously to the left and spit out her vaginal lubrication into a towel." No more than I would have expected to read a passage of two lovers engaged in DFK taking turns spitting each other's saliva into a hankie between kisses.

I never read such a thing at the end of a normal act of oral sex as depicted in an erotic novel. Not once.

Either the international writers of those hundreds if not thousands of erotic novels assumed all of their readers were "Psycho" enough to demand the poor degraded girl in the story be victimized by having to actually finish a blowjob by swallowing the cum instead of spitting it out or they logically assumed that was the way almost every man on the planet would expect their oral sex fantasy to end. I'm going to side with the latter.

We're not exactly talking about the kind of "body waste" that one typically flushes down a toilet three hours after eating a medium pepperoni pizza and a drinking a six pack of beer. We're talking about natural body fluids that are, if anything, meant to be healthy enough to consume or absorb into our bodies one way or another anyway.

Spitting those kinds of body fluids out instead of simply quickly and efficiently swallowing the teaspoon or maximum tablespoonful of liquid produced by both men and women is a nasty, sad, insulting and revolting finish to what is supposed to be an act of willing acceptance of the natural product of your partner's sexual excitement. IMO, spitting at the end of an act of oral sex that is meant to finish orally is only about a half step away from vomiting in terms of a turn off.

Grew up coming on not coming in. All about being paranoid about getting gals preggers even though they claimed to be on the pill.