Jakarta

[Ggekko2009]

I would accept that, Jakarta is expensive compared to other places but there are so many girls compared to the mongers.

I have to agree with you on that, with the exception of Singapore of course in this region. However, I think half of my expense has got to do with me spending on booze and clubs and the other half on the girls.

One fun thing about doing all these here in Jakarta is that it makes one feel young again and not just purely the sex. I think being able to speak the language also helps. However, since I do not get to travel here often, my only consolation is that it is okay to splurge once in a while.

[Gajith]

I am generally a nice guy; go with the flow, but also realize I am not a Bank either.
Cheers, Traveler.

I am pretty familiar with Jakarta and Tinder did worked for me for the last 2-3 years. Whoever I met in Jakarta, never asked me if they can bring a friend to me.

The last time I paid for sex was 3 years back and it was 700 for LT. I would accept that, Jakarta is expensive compared to other places but there are so many girls compared to the mongers. So, you will have good chances of finding a girl for reasonable price. The standard price for short term all over Indonesia (I had been to all 34 provinces and took services from at least 30 provinces) is 300 k.

I speak bahasa Indonesian.

These are the ways to find cheap but good sex from the market dedicated specially to locals.

1) Girls in Tinder who doesn't speak English.

2) Mi Chat (Similar to we chat).

3) Instagram (Some of my friends said, they were messaged by people asking for sex in IG) I have never tried it BTW.

4) Places like Classic and some local places near to Mangaa Dua (beginning of 2019, they were charging 350 k and up for ST in-house).

5) Go Massage: 1 hour massage costs less than 100 k and majority of the girls doesn't speak English. I have 90 % success getting a hand job for 100 - 150 k and I am still keeping around 5 in many cities for hours of full services and used to tip them like 300 k. The girls who comes through go massage, normally aged between 25-50. I am fine with girls between 25-35 for extra.

[Sammon]

I am generally a nice guy; go with the flow, but also realize I am not a Bank either.

Cheers, Traveler.

You are not nice and for that matter you are the Bank. How dare you ask for sex from girls in exchange for dinner LOL.

Ever wonder why girls are always hungry. It is not that they did not eat all day. In Asia they tend to eat many meals all day. I flatly refuse if the girl wants to bring a companion. And if they say they are hungry before sex I keep snacks in the room. For a few days visitor it makes no sense to wine and dine girls. You need to let them know your intentions even if somebody introduces.

If it is done as a charity it is okay. Girls always want to know how gullible you are.

[Dirk67]

Smoothy, I think this is sound advice. I guess I couldn't see the forest for the trees. Thanks.

On another issue, Bringing friends along on a first date. Not sure what this means in Indonesia.

I had many dates in the Philippines where they bring a friend along (I assume maybe for safety and comfort). Then the friend was always gone within 15 to 30 minutes. I got very used to that and accepted it as common practice.

By comparison, I had a first date shortly after I arrived to Indonesia in 2014. This was my first time in Indonesia. Her sister worked as administrative staff at Shangri-La and introduced us. I take Widy to dinner and next thing I know her girlfriend shows up and joins us for dinner at an expensive fucking Japanese restaurant (her pick naturally). At the end of diner we go our separate ways and I am stuck with a 3 million dinner tab. I got sucker punched on that one, but at least I learned my lesson. This was scamming on a scale I had never seen before. I took my girlfriends whole family (12 people) for dinner in the Phils and it cost me like $70 usd, and I was happy to do it. This was over $200 for 3 people.

I had another similar situation months later, where a supposed IC date shows up, with a friend in tow. We walk to Blok M mall in search of dinner. Of all the places to eat in the Mall, they choose Burger King. So I am initially relieved, until we order and I realize they are ordering 2 of everything! It was all in Bahasa so it took me a while to figure out what was going on, but as I saw the cash register total keep climbing; and not wanting to relive the earlier tragedy on a smaller scale, I finally stopped the cashier, cancelled the order and got everyone a #1 value meal. Went back to hotel, chatted for an hour and never got together again.

"Friend" experiences in Indonesia have not been good for me. So my question is, do I allow friends or not. Or do I allow friends and let it be known I am only paying for my dates dinner.

I am generally a nice guy; go with the flow, but also realize I am not a Bank either.

Thanks for all the advice. I hope it helps others as well.

Cheers, Traveler.

Others have already chimed in, but my experience: It's the cost of doing business (and for her to feel safe / comfortable). If she is hot enough, then I will entertain her and her friend, within reason. I choose the location (so we're not at a $$ restaurant) which helps set the expectations, and if she's truly there to fleece me, then I call it quits. In the few times where a friend has been brought along, the additional cost was maybe $30-50, and I found it to be well worth it as she went home with me (without friend) after, and no taxi money requested, implied, or given. I guess it will depend on the situation, if she is just looking for some excitement, then treating her to a nice night out (and better if her friend is there too) is enough. (And I'm pretty sure it's not expected as she never mentions it and she keeps meeting).

If she ends up being just about the taxi money, then I wouldn't take her somewhere too expensive nor would I entertain her friend (unless it's the first time and it's the price of entry, so to speak).

If you're not comfortable paying for her friend, I would make it clear up front, but she may cancel, and I would control the expense a little by selecting a reasonable venue. As I've also done before, and I would not mind tips here either, for things like shopping trips or even if I take a girl on a trip to provide spending money is I cover all lodging and food, and shopping I'll give a reasonable allowance in cash ($100-150? When it's gone, it's gone, but she can spend it how she likes.

[Zippos]

Captain Bob.

I read about your terrible experience with cell phone and lesson to learn at one point in our life. I always make sure few things before bringing girls to my room.

1. All valuables are locked in either suitcase or bags including cellphone.

2. Always have right amount of cash to pay her off.

3. If step 1,2 fails. I will send the girl to washroom to get cleaned up while I clear out my own, LOL.

I still think you should reach out to Verizon to see if they can do anything about retrieving contacts. Chances are 99.9% if Verizon supports web sms.

I am used to local storage. My home computer has 6 hard drives in a RAID 5 array. Never had a data loss; even when a drive failed. So I've never tried any cloud options or off site backup.

So I am screwed with the data loss. "Expensive" lesson learned. My new phone is backed up to Google Cloud.

Thanks for the advice though and I hope you find Zahra. Just mention "Captain Bob" and she'll know who you are talking about.

Cheers, Traveler.

[SeaTraveler]

Sea,

If I remember right from my days living in Atlanta, Verizon has an online backup option where they would store your contacts. Also, depending on your cellphone, both Apple and Android has backup option where you can recover through iCloud or Google Play-store.

I am used to local storage. My home computer has 6 hard drives in a RAID 5 array. Never had a data loss; even when a drive failed. So I've never tried any cloud options or off site backup.

So I am screwed with the data loss. "Expensive" lesson learned. My new phone is backed up to Google Cloud.

Thanks for the advice though and I hope you find Zahra. Just mention "Captain Bob" and she'll know who you are talking about.

Cheers, Traveler.

[Zippos]

Sea,

If I remember right from my days living in Atlanta, Verizon has an online backup option where they would store your contacts. Also, depending on your cellphone, both Apple and Android has backup option where you can recover through iCloud or Google Play-store.

Check to see if you can login from laptop or even you new Samsung phone. Once signed-in, It should automatically restore all contacts. Check your outlook contacts option as well. You should be able to get back all your contacts if you look into it. Let me know if you need any assistance with it.

My mistake. Verizon is still on CDMA here in the USA. Everyone else worldwide uses GSM. The phone I bought in Indonesia isn't compatible with Verizon so I had to switch to AT&T where it will work. But you are right, I used the Verizon phone last year with a local sim card.

I guess I'm screwed again. Ha ha ha.

[Dirk67]

Been a long time since I've visited Jakarta, where I still find the value and logistics unmatched. While there is traffic, it is cheap and easy to use Grab, Bluebird, and now even the MRT. P4 P is affordable from 500 K all-in (with tip), to even 2-3 x that, still a value sometimes compared to elsewhere, especially when you consider the girls are very pretty (and lots of different types of looks available), with natural bodies of all shapes. Civilians are also very accessible if you put in a little effort and are respectful. Right now I have almost too many civs to meet on one trip.

This time, first met up with a civ that I made contact with last trip, and who I met but did not bed. She was apparently looking forward to meeting, as was evidenced later. She loves dancing and I left the choice of where up to her, and we ended up at CJ's. I am 100% sure she is a regular girl who works a normal job, and while she was aware there were working girls at CJs, it doesn't seem like she was able to spot who was who with certainty. For me, it was 100% obvious that basically 8 out of 10 girls there were working, with half the remaining there with a sponsor. Music was decent, though it tended towards 80's and 90's pop, and there was the cute female singer in the band to look at when bored. Drinks were very expensive (150-180 k). But a few drinks helped things loosen up. Regarding the talent: Lots of older girls, definitely 30's-40's, if not 50's. But many were in good shape. For my taste maybe only a handful were attractive enough for me to approach (in fact maybe 2-3 stunners), but I did not inquire as I was with someone. Things really picked up around 11:30 pm.

The next day I decided to check out one of Smoothy's recommendations that I found last time but didn't have time to try: the'Heaven in Grand Wijaya. Note that it is in of the back alleys. There were a couple of other spas there too that might be good but I didn't check out: Fortune and Cherry, and one more. The'Heaven's system is 405-450 K for the room (this can be paid by card) and then 250-350 directly to the girl (BJ vs. FS). Not all girls provide service, and the jovial guys at the counter will let you know. I ended going with one of the girls the friendly guy with the glasses suggested, and it was a pretty amazing experience (#62). She has a cute face, a pretty amazing natural rack, and exercises which can be seen from her well toned and slim body. She has tattoos if that is or isn't your thing. Excellent service and fun banter (good english). Would definitely repeat, though I want to try one of the new girls that were training that day next time.

Later at night, went to look for #88 at Starmoon, Nanda. It seems she's out of the game, or if she is still a FL, doesn't work that frequently anymore? The mama indicated she was on an off day, but it's likely they will just say whatever. I left and tried New Sari Ayu next door (having tried Grand LA last time). Looks almost like a mirror image of Grand LA, down to the set up, lighting, and room styles. Probably owned by same management? In short, the damage was 405 (inc 5% charge for card)+100 and the girl was sweet and a lot of fun, also a great natural body with just a hint of a belly but with terrific performance and a great view, it was hardly a distraction.

Haven't made it to Kelapa Gading yet due to the distance, but may try it before I head out.

[SeaTraveler]

My surprise date.

[SeaTraveler]

A SURPRISE BEST NIGHT OF THE TRIP.

After the stolen cell phone debacle on my first night, the trip would never be as planned. I began to make contact with recent Twitter & Badoo dates, but some of my favorites from last years trip, most notably Zahra & Lia, were lost forever. Despite repeated visits to CJ'S, I never did see them.

Friday was looking up though and started with dinner at King Crimson & Clara's favorite, Bandar Djakarta. I had never heard of this place until I read about it on this forum. Glad I did. Had a double date with my USA friend Jeff and his date Maya. My date, Galih, is a 26-year-old professional woman who has a job in Human Resources. I had been to fish market / restaurants like this in the Philippines, but this place was much nicer. Our bill for 2 was 900 k and Jeff's for 2 was 450 k. There was zero chance I was sleeping with Galih so she dropped us off back at Shangri-La after dinner as planned.

I freshened up for the meeting with JavaGuy and JavaWife. The plan was to meet at BATS around 10 to 11 pm. I hit the bar early around 9:30 and reserved 2 seats at the bar. Turns out JW is friends with the lady bartender, so I eventually moved to a booth in the back for discretion (and less band noise).

In our premeeting messages, JG suggested I check out Basque. He thought I might have luck there since I had game back the good old days. I was looking for new experiences, especially with the loss of all my contacts, so I put it on my to-do list for Saturday.

In true Indonesian style, JG & JW arrived a bit late around 11:30. Sure-enough, JW was prettier than her pics, but shy and reserved at first. I was cautioned by JG that she likes a few drinks to relax and open up. She had 2 glasses of wine & since she likes a shot of tequila after the wine, I borrowed King Crimsons idea and brought a flask of pure tequila in the bar in my sport coat inside pocket.

Alcohol is just ridiculously expensive in Indonesia. I had both plastic (rum & coke) and stainless steel (tequila). To "defeat" the metal wand, I put the steel flask in my left hidden pocket and my cell phone in the breast pocket in front. When the wand would beep, I would motion to my cell phone and they always let me through.

We spent 2 hours drinking, chatting and listening to the band. It didn't take long for JW to loosen up and begin laughing and having a good time. JW would slip away once in a while to dance. She bumped into a girlfriend on the dance, who I hoped to meet, but did not.

By 1:30 am, I decided to head up to the room and get a shower. I gave JG my room key and told them to come up in 15 minutes.

Showered and in my shorts, I am sitting at the room desk checking my Whatsapp when there is a knock at the door. I had it propped open, so I yelled, "Come in". I look up to see not 2, but 3 people and a voice saying, "Change of plans. Let's all go to Basque, this is Hani her friend".

"Hell yea" was my reply. I jumped up; got dressed and off we go to Basque. Hani was pretty and quite wild. Her favorite word seems to be "cocks", as she was heard to repeat it many, many times that night.

What made the situation a bit dicey, was that Hani did not know that JG & JW like to swing.

Basque was packed. I mean packed to the gills. And everywhere I looked were pretty, I mean, drop-dead gorgeous women. "Hell yea" again. About 3:00 am, the lights were on and it was time to head back to Shangri-La.

Once in the room, lights were dimmed, and it wasn't long before JG & JW were naked on the bed sucking each other. Hani needed a bit to adjust to the situation, but soon there were 4 naked bodies on the bed. While I didn't get to experience JW to the fullest, there were times when my cock was in her mouth or she was sitting on my face. Once, while she was blowing me, I looked up to see Hani blowing JG, so I guess she adapted to the scene pretty quickly * Ha ha ha.

I hate condoms, so I had brought a few female condoms from home. My guests had never actually seen or used one. I had fun putting one in Hani's very small pussy; a first for me too.

It was a madhouse for about 90 minutes. JW is insatiable; you gotta love her energy. JG finished with a cum shot on his wife's face. It was 5:30 in the morning and they were tired; dressed and left. Hani stayed and we played some more until finally we fell asleep. I almost never let anyone stay. I sleep alone, but I slept great with Hani.

JavaGuy asked me to post a review of my experience in the hopes that I could share my good times with fellow forum members. No money changed hands. I did give Hani 800 k in the morning before she left. If anyone is interested to immerse themselves in the fun. PM JavaGuy.

JavaWife expressed interest, a few days later, in sitting on my short, but fat cock, as she did not get the chance that night. Ha ha ha.

I hope to get back to Jakarta next year and have a do-over.

Thanks JavaGuy and JavaWife for rescuing my trip.

Cheers to all.

SEA Traveler.

UP NEXT - SAT DINNER WITH CLARA - BASQUE - MICHELLE - HANI RETURNS

[SeaTraveler]

In reading the past 300 pages of the forum in preparation for my trip I came across a post by JavaGuy saying his wife likes to have sex with other men and he is ok with it.

Having done crazy things in days gone by of working with bands, I had done group sex in the past. Way past.

I was intrigued and sent a PM to JavaGuy. He sent me pics of JavaWife.

We planned to meet on Friday night. Day 3 of my trip.

I have a trip report forthcoming, but wanted to let anyone know in advance of that report that:

They are real. She is pretty. After a few drinks she is insatiable.

You can go it alone with JG in the room or he is happy to join in for a MFM threesome.

It was quite a night. Ending at 5:30 am.

If you are down for it, I highly recommend meeting them. Weekends only as far as I know.

Cheers, Traveler.

[SeaTraveler]

I could be mistaken because I am no expert on a "Verizon Phone", but I had a T-Mobile phone from the USA that supposedly wouldn't work in Indonesia and was "locked" by T-Mobile. I took it to Mal Ambassador and the tech guys there hacked it in minutes. I gave that phone to my girlfriend and she still uses it in Indonesia with an Indo sim card.

My mistake. Verizon is still on CDMA here in the USA. Everyone else worldwide uses GSM. The phone I bought in Indonesia isn't compatible with Verizon so I had to switch to AT&T where it will work. But you are right, I used the Verizon phone last year with a local sim card.

I guess I'm screwed again. Ha ha ha.

[Ggekko2009]

What is says is that she is hot as hell. I'd love to fuck her.

I have never tried Batak girl, mostly Sunda and Javanese girls here. If I can get her to go out with me, that will be nice addition to my list. However, I think my chance is slim to almost none. Haha.

I agree with you. This Mami is hot.

[Smoothy]

I mention this so others don't make my mistake. I had my money, my passport, my valuables, all locked in the safe, But I simply forgot about my phone and its value. My only consolation is it is a Verizon phone and will not work on any network in Indonesia. So the girls stole a pig in a polk.

I could be mistaken because I am no expert on a "Verizon Phone", but I had a T-Mobile phone from the USA that supposedly wouldn't work in Indonesia and was "locked" by T-Mobile. I took it to Mal Ambassador and the tech guys there hacked it in minutes. I gave that phone to my girlfriend and she still uses it in Indonesia with an Indo sim card.

[Smoothy]

I find the mami in the M-Bar so much more desirable than the girls that she is managing. That says something.

What is says is that she is hot as hell. I'd love to fuck her.