Kyiv

[ChaosDK]

Close to Maidan there was De Fleur or something, with both sensual and BDSM. Also went down.

I went to this place 4-5 years ago for a short BDSM session. Going back to Kiev next month. Does anyone know of places or girls that are into BDSM?

[YummyPL]

Why Ukraine and not Russia?

Riina, unfortunately my work is taking me to Kyiv. I wish I was going to Moscow. I do agree with DramaFree that Russia is better for those in our hobby, but I am up for the Kyiv challenge again and expect I will do just fine.

[Beko9]

Hi Tomster99,

I share your enthusiasm for massages. Sadly it is hard to find a good venue with attractive and skilled masseuses, clean and tastefully decorated premises and fresh and fluffy towels.

So if you have an up to date info, please share.

For years I frequented a salon called Bagira, located on the ground floor of a Soviet 5-storey block of flats near Lukianivska metro station. They had two rooms with mirrored walls and ceilings and a shower cubicles in the rooms. A selection of two or three girls in their early 20's were available. The girls were properly trained in the art of Thai massage. Not a quick rub but a proper full massage from head to toes. An hour session would cost circa 700, that included an assisted shower at the start, with an optional "relaxation" followed by an an hour of Thai massage, front and back, which smoothly transitioned into body to body slide and a happy ending at the end. I was particularly fond of a girl called Valeria. She had big blue eyes and an instagrammable bubble butt. She regularly worked out in the gym.

Sadly last year the phone line of the establishment went dead and the website has also vanished. Whether the police busted the place or the owners have retired (I first went there back in 2006), that I do not know.

If Thomster or anyone else knows any info about the business, or if Valeria is available somewhere else, I would appreciate the info.

Hi guys,

I am a lot into massages lately. Feel like sharing your preferred places in Kiew?

Up to now: mine is SalonDream currently.

[Riina]

Hi all! Yummy here. I've not played this game for a couple of years but I am returning to Kiev in March for a year or more.

Why Ukraine and not Russia?

[AntonySun1996]

Trading currencies for profit is incredibly difficult, more difficult than trading stocks, bonds, commodities.

Agreed. In fact I have been trading currencies on some legit online trading platform in the last few days. Initially I made some gains from buying GBPUSD following the conservative victory in the vote, but then I started to lose my money as a result of some poor judgement of the market trend. Luckily the loss wasn't material and I really enjoyed the adrenaline rises while trading. I still trade, for recreational purposes. Trading currencies is quite similar to mongering, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. The only difference is that one successful monger may offset your loss from ten failed ones, which is not the case for Forex trade.

I planned to buy grivnas but no one is selling them in my town, and I didn't find an online platform to buy them either. I will buy them when I visit Kyiv next time, which will be soon.

My main currency is CNY and I have already suffered from loss following the trade war. It's always safer to have multiple currencies in your pocket, unless your main currency is USD which is fairly stable.

[PhotoSlider]

Re morals- its my opinion that the preference to be morally good, always plays a part in the decision-making process, whether the decision-maker is aware of it or not; how much of a part it plays often depends on how financially desperate someone may be.

Re Mondays- please refer to the title of my post.

P.S. I'm only yanking your chain PhotoSlider, you know I love you man!

Huh! The admiration is all mutual!

Agree with you. Precisely a year ago I had a negotiation with exclusive Kiev agency over Viber. Mamasan asked 9000 UAH for 4 hours. I countered with 4000. She responded with saying verbatim:

- My girls aren't prostitutes!

- I never said they are. Quality of their services speaks for itself. Yet I would rather go with one of my free girlfriends. 5000 for 6 hours? Let me know please, as I have a business meeting coming up.

- 6000 for 4 hours!

- Sorry, I have a conference call starting now.

- You're twisting my hands! 5000 UAH for 4 hours.

- Deal. I cancel conference call. How soon can she be here?

- 60-90 minutes at your door.

- Thank you for understanding and accommodating my request.

The girl was outstanding. I had three different ones from that agency. One of them said the following in my bed:

- By the way, I like it hard and strong.

I obliged.

[David42]

Morals in Kiev? Perhaps it's another word for a simple case of hangover, recovering from hard weekend partying on a tough day Monday, trying to get to bed early to catch up on sleep?

If scheduled in advance with an adequate compensation, reliable regular is likely to arrive even on Monday, especially if she doesn't have to go to the office.

Re morals- its my opinion that the preference to be morally good, always plays a part in the decision-making process, whether the decision-maker is aware of it or not; how much of a part it plays often depends on how financially desperate someone may be.

Re Mondays- please refer to the title of my post.

P.S. I'm only yanking your chain PhotoSlider, you know I love you man!

[YummyPL]

"and if you happen to put your dick in crazy."

I'm sorry. I know I am quoting an old post. But I am being diligent and reading back to when I left this board.

I just have to say this comment was funny as hell.

[PhotoSlider]

How can I get the most from my short stay? Here's my opinion.

Monday-.

Worst day of the week. Girls / society is far too serious / moralistic, and not very interested in sex.

Morals in Kiev? Perhaps it's another word for a simple case of hangover, recovering from hard weekend partying on a tough day Monday, trying to get to bed early to catch up on sleep?

If scheduled in advance with an adequate compensation, reliable regular is likely to arrive even on Monday, especially if she doesn't have to go to the office.

[PhotoSlider]

I might continuing seeing her until my own wheels fall off (sex no longer interests me) and handicapped spot is exactly what I'll be needing.

I once half-heartedly complained to a friend of mine that I go to Kiev, and see nothing but girls. He tried to console me by saying:

- Just like Don Altobello in GodFather 3, soon you'll lose lust for women, and your mind will be clear!

That was 10 years ago, and if the past 15 months are of any indication, I more than doubled the effort. It seems though you are more in control of your destiny.

[Kozerog]

The UAH / USD exchange rate has been rising at a significant speed recently. I'm wondering if this is a sign that the Ukrainian economy is booming or that the economy is just in the process of returning to the pre-war level. Either way this is not a good news for foreigners residing in Ukraine for mongering or other purposes. I am planning to buy some grivnas to mitigate the risk of future exchange rate increases.

Trading currencies for profit is incredibly difficult, more difficult than trading stocks, bonds, commodities. It's easy to explain why the UAH has already moved. What's difficult is to predict future changes. Unless you are an expert, you should confine currency operations to hedging rather than speculating. Hedging would be if you buy UAH today because you have committed to paying UAH in the future, and want to lock in your price and thus reduce your risk. For example, if you have signed a long-term lease to pay monthly rent in UAH, then you might want to buy UAH now. Or maybe you agreed to pay a mistress a specific amount of UAH each month so that she can pay her monthly rent in UAH. That might be AntonySun1996's situation.

Most mongers have complete flexibility about future spending in Ukraine, so no reason to buy UAH now. If UAH gets too expensive, just postpone or shorten the trip, or go elsewhere, or negotiate a lower UAH price, etc. When you have such flexibility, low risk approach is to wait and buy UAH when you need them.

[TinyHippo]

The UAH / USD exchange rate has been rising at a significant speed recently. I'm wondering if this is a sign that the Ukrainian economy is booming or that the economy is just in the process of returning to the pre-war level. Either way this is not a good news for foreigners residing in Ukraine for mongering or other purposes. I am planning to buy some grivnas to mitigate the risk of future exchange rate increases.

New President has people thinking positive. Nobody will know about the economic results until spring time, but there is a general slow down in EU economies. So, who knows what will happen in UA.

[Riina]

The UAH / USD exchange rate has been rising at a significant speed recently. I'm wondering if this is a sign that the Ukrainian economy is booming or that the economy is just in the process of returning to the pre-war level. Either way this is not a good news for foreigners residing in Ukraine for mongering or other purposes. I am planning to buy some grivnas to mitigate the risk of future exchange rate increases.

Yeah sure, it's always best to speculate against your reserve currency.

[AntonySun1996]

The UAH / USD exchange rate has been rising at a significant speed recently. I'm wondering if this is a sign that the Ukrainian economy is booming or that the economy is just in the process of returning to the pre-war level. Either way this is not a good news for foreigners residing in Ukraine for mongering or other purposes. I am planning to buy some grivnas to mitigate the risk of future exchange rate increases.

[David42]

How can I get the most from my short stay? Here's my opinion.

Monday-.

Worst day of the week. Girls / society is far too serious / moralistic, and not very interested in sex.

High end strip / hooker clubs are still open but vibe is work mode.

Tuesday-.

Good day for trying contacts and bartering for lower prices, or catching up on regulars.

High end clubs still work mode.

Wednesday-.

Girls begin to warm up a bit.

Still a good day for cheap punts / bartering with contacts.

Shooters has ladies night.

Thursday-.

The girls begin to think about the Friday which is their going out night. So online is hot.

In most areas, women are out and about trying to make money.

Great day to hit apartments between 6 pm and 10 pm- hottest girls are picked off early. Lots of girls available.

Friday-.

This is the evening / night to go out on the pull as its termed 'lecherous woman' night, when girls let loose.

Bad day for online hunting or securing contacts, or punting.

Saturday.

Girls are still in a good mood so its a mixture of social and work for them, depending on many factors shaping their thinking.

Apartments can be very busy after 9 pm, so often, not many girls available.

Still a good bar / club day.

Sunday-.

Similar to Thursday for apartments, great girl choice between 6-9 pm.

Online is hot for contacts.

The social scene is pretty good midday until about 9/10 pm, so cafes, bars, better than clubs.

Trip timing-.

End of the month- girls need to pay rent / bills, social life is better as people get paid.

Thu / Fri. Sun is the choice if you only want 3/4 days.

Just before festivals or holiday periods, when money is required.

I guess the message is to begin thinking from the point of view of a working girl. Finding / contacting her when she is in financial need.

Wen she isn't, I have found that its like talking to a different girl. Morals overwhelming money.