Sosua Reports

[Confiable]

Guys who get off on disrespecting women are sad.

Totally agree. You have guys that go to other countries and act ignorant. Treat the women like they are a carnival ride at the amusement park. The reason you see some women ask for money up front is because they have been burnt by a monger. The guy gives them half the money he agreed to pay or he gives them nothing. If men do these types of things and treat women badly in their country. Why would it be any different in a foreign country.

[Oakie]

Guys who get off on disrespecting women are sad.

I totally agree!

My flippant use of the term hoes, comes from some here, who have accused me in the past of trusting and respecting my local Dominican circle of GF, family and network of local connections too much.

It's in the record!

By the way, mongers who complain that locals don't respect them, should be reminded that respect can only be earned, and not demanded!

[Turgid]

Its only sex and I don't disrespect any of the girls unless they try to rip me off.

Very few of us really know the daily hardships that the girls are confronted with.

A little kindness goes along way in the DR.

Guys who get off on disrespecting women are sad.

[Newport]

Just got back from my first visit in 2 years. If I didn't go with my gut instinct and listened to everything I've read in this thread, one would think Sosua dried up like the desert, with empty presidente bottles left behind.

I enjoyed my stay, just like I've had on many trips in the past 12 years.

Ahnvee is the spot to be, finally they brought some style and class to the neighborhood, I really enjoyed everything about the outdoor party, the variety was top notch. The place has something for everyone.

Yesterday I was grabbing an early evening drink after a day at the beach, I stopped by the big outdoor corner spot across the street from Bourbon, I believe its called "Keens", idk for sure. There were about 3 tables with 4 chicas sitting at each, some gents along the bar stools including myself, and a few scattered around, it was not many people. As soon as I took my first sip from the bottle, a marked police truck rolled up, along with an unmarked truck with military looking personal, and some people that said municipal on their shirts, they walked in like a scene out of CSI, small crowds gathered looking at the commotion, I kept sipping my drink watching the show, minutes later the waitress came up with my check, I paid right away, continued enjoying my drink, the chicas were escorted out the back gate, after about 15-20 mins, the owner comes up to me and a coupe gents, asks us respectfully to finish our drinks and if all goes well come back in an hour.

The neighborhood did change, it feels a bit quieter, but its not dead, its not boring, they just cleaned it up a bit. It went under the radar for decades, and I have a good feeling in a matter of years, things will go back to the old grimy scene that it was made for. We have to keep in mind, it is election year as well.

[Ipanema Carioca]

Lol, GM.

We have not always agreed in the past, but let me return the compliment!

Allow me to quote something you just said in another forum about the local culture, which is also right on.

""I tried to explain to them yes there are SW all over the country. There are also women who wouldn't dare sell their body on the streets to strangers, but if they meet and / or are introduce to man who is interested in them, they can be enticed with money, cellphone, hair Or other commodities for the exchange of sexual favors. These Hoes don't consider themselves prostitutes. Dominican culture somewhat bolsters their outlook of it not being prostitution. Smart Chicas try to keep your money circulating within their own circle of friends and family members. Some vets have been introduced to chicas through their own mothers or grandmothers. They don't see it as prostituting their love ones. ".

I learned from my many travels to Rio, it's similar. Sosua is like the "Golden Triangle" of Copacabana. Many fellas were stuck and caught up with in Copa like they are in Sosua. Now that the Meia Pataca and Help are gone, so are the girls on hoe beach, and many dudes took Rio out of their rotation. For those of us who didn't rely on the Golden Triangle for our vacation in Rio, we still can go and leave there with smiles on our faces and leave it all there. I didn't do the boat parties, apartment parties, the frat parties, I didn't do Help, and I didn't do groups. If I saw you there then we greet, eat, and drink a chope. We left the dumb shit to the dumb drama to the fellas who go overseas to act like they are in the states. Super Bowl?

Again, Super Bowl! I do not want to knock it, but why go all the way to Sosua to watch the damn Super Bowl so the locals can exploit you! And that's what it is about, exploitation. The Sosuans are not stupid. The government and police are smart enough to have their own intelligence to know what they are doing. Grant it, they may be f'd up with urban planning and business sense, but believe me that they have a strong intelligence and read all the sex boards and watch all the youtube videos about Sosua. So who are we fooling. They know. And after the Cuba Dave BS he published in the Miami New Times in 2013, they know. And now there are many new cats who are youtubers giving up info like hoes on Pedro Clisante. Why can't fellas shut the f--k up? The message about the old Sosua caused the original Rhumbas, Passions, and CPM to close. All the white catering businesses do not have police in front but all the Super Bowl activity this weekend is on the radar.

The police will soon focus on BS enforcement, like petty traffic citations, and with that will come bribes. You see what's happening with the motoconcho checkpoints and impounds of bike. The police will impound rental cars and give citations to the car loads of black gringos with NFL jerseys, and it happen last year and the year before that. I know a few lawyers who were used to help fellas get out of driving and rental car issues. So why go to a small banana republic country and wildout as if you are in the states, doing what Dominicans do? Why go to Sosua and become an easy target? And it beats me why anyone would try and open a business in Sosua to work for pesos. You will never be allowed to go to the DR to get over. The Dominicans are nice people, but everyone see an American, Canadian, or European as a target. And a business woman in Sosua told me that in their mind, any gringo who moves to their country must be broke, and move to the DR because they are barely affording to live in their country. I have been going to Sosua and DR since 2009, and all I can say is do not let the Dominicans play us, because they have enough knowledge to manipulate us with their home field advantage and will always be 2 steps ahead of all you let them know from their free ISG membership and free youtube subscription.

Enjoy the Super Bowl! I can't wait for all of you to leave so I can enjoy Sosua without the herds and hype!

[Oakie]

A lot of crazy stuff still going on here, Superbowl weekend.

The boys are back in town, and so are the chicas, but now, instead of everybody on main street, the parties have moved to different locations around town, hotels, Ahnvee, smaller bars.

SW central (such as it is) runs now from the main corner up Pedro a little, and from the main corner up to NG. And there's a traffic jam in that area as the boys drive by to pick up a car load to go. And there's also the beach, which was active.

In spite of my personal reservation about renting cars in Sosua, it does seem to be the best way for a group to get around to the different parties, and pick up chicas. (As long as you let someone else drive. LOL).

The cops seem to have disappeared from the streets, but see below.

I walked past old rumba and bar central yesterday, and the boys were posted up watching the chicas go by but nowhere near the numbers of last year at this time. I carried on up to my local to meet a buddy, and he came in just after me and told me the cops showed up and had just closed up rumba, and bar central again. Didn't believe him (I was just there) until another buddy came in and confirmed. WTF? 4 or 5 times in 5 days? He explains shit about competing Official Orders, Court Injunctions, Cop raids, and Mayor's personal actions.

Completely fucked up, but I'm betting they'll be opened tomorrow again. Maybe even classico might be unchained in time. We'll see!

[Adinga]

Its only sex and I don't disrespect any of the girls unless they try to rip me off.

Very few of us really know the daily hardships that the girls are confronted with.

A little kindness goes along way in the DR.

[Mr Gogo]

LOL.

A shout out to you, and Mr Gogo, who introduced me to Susua 10 years ago, and showed me how to navigate this fucked up paradise!

I read your post 3 times because it hit me to the soul. You showed the essence of living in the Dominican Republic. Your humor is Classic Oakie.

[Oakie]

True, humorous and very well written! You are the jedi master! Code name. Obi won Oakie!!

LOL.

A shout out to you, and Mr Gogo, who introduced me to Susua 10 years ago, and showed me how to navigate this fucked up paradise!

[Confiable]

Same as people in the Rio thread keep bringing up Help Disco 10 years after its demise. The shit is NOT coming back.

Perfect way to keep people ignorant though. If you still want to call it El Flow, then I will go along and act like it is El Flow. Nevermind correcting someone and teaching them better. That is how you get a country and a world full of dummies. (The movie Idiocracy comes to mind.) But as long as your vacation runs smoothly, fuck it.

Just drove by cassicos with the chain on the door and the sad site on the strip. A lot of people out of jobs becuase of what? This is a e trickle down a effect. From the workers inside the clubs / bars / restuarants to the motorcyclist, to the family memebers and etc, I don't see how tourist from other countries making a positive impact. I don't see it. I have friends who still go to Rio and they tell me Mia Pataca hasn't been the same since Help closed, hoe beach, and surronding business. But regardless you will all ways find someone who will try and put a positve spin on a negative situation to fit their arguement. Of course sosua is not the same and the people from the all inclusive hasn't made a difference from my perspective and from the dominicians on the ground. I didn't come to sosua to see a eldelry white women wearing an outfit for a teenager. Walking down the strip like she some hot chick. Take your ass back to Canada / european country. The foriegners are messing up the game in sosua.

[Mr Enternational]

Man can someone else please give me an easy lie. The hard truth is sometimes difficult to swallow.

Same as people in the Rio thread keep bringing up Help Disco 10 years after its demise. The shit is NOT coming back.

Perfect way to keep people ignorant though. If you still want to call it El Flow, then I will go along and act like it is El Flow. Nevermind correcting someone and teaching them better. That is how you get a country and a world full of dummies. (The movie Idiocracy comes to mind.) But as long as your vacation runs smoothly, fuck it.

[GrownMan1]

Rumba Bar is history. No matter if folks still want to refer to that space as "Rumba. " Those of us who partied in Rumba from the beginning know what time it is. Rumbas, CMP, Passions, D'Latin ain't coming back. Even if you call the Chinese store D'Latin or whatever, it ain't coming back LOL.

Man can someone else please give me an easy lie. The hard truth is sometimes difficult to swallow.

[Orgasmico]

Rumba Bar is history. No matter if folks still want to refer to that space as "Rumba. " Those of us who partied in Rumba from the beginning know what time it is. Rumbas, CMP, Passions, D'Latin ain't coming back. Even if you call the Chinese store D'Latin or whatever, it ain't coming back LOL.

[Brother P]

There's an old saying, Manny, "Illegitimi non carborundum"! LOL.

For those of us who live here and know Sosua well, we are aware that locals:.

A. Don't speak formal Spanish.

Arguments and misunderstandings over language, are a waste of time.

B. Do not understand the Western concept of Name, Number, Street, Town.

They go by landmarks, designated by their own local usage. Rumba is always at the main corner, no matter what it is called today. So-called New Rumba, is still referred to as Morua Mai, El Flo is still what they call the various names for Premium Bar, and Classico is how they refer to Club 59 Disco.

Even La Passion, a burnt out hulk, now occupied by Hatian squatters, is still a known destination of moto drivers, and they'll drop you off at that corner. The Texaco station will always be a landmark, no matter if it changes name tomorrow. don't ask them to take you to Mateo's Seaside bar, because it will always be Britannia Pub. Or Rehab on the beach. You'll have more luck with Scandinava bar. Longest occupation rules!

C. They tolerate, but have no real respect for mongers. Only their dinero!

They generally consider mutual time spent with mongers, even long and mutually groping conversations as working time, and expect something in return. They consider "fist bumps" and handshakes from strangers as an express desire to be friends.

D. They operate under a different economy than foreigners.

Those who expect that when a restaurant tab says "propina included", that's what it means. Servers rarely, if ever, get to share that!

E. Hoes consider everything they do with a john, in addition to lying there and letting you pound their ass for a designated period of time is worthy of a propina. Even sitting with you in your favorite restaurant over a candlelit dinner when they are starving, Lol. They'd often prefer to be somewhere else!

Forget the enthusiastic squeals, and writhing, "Si mas papi", it is not your sexual prowess they are impressed by. Lol.

F. Renting a car is mostly a scam game! Nothing like the TV commercials at home.

Damage assessment is in the eye of the beholder, CC insurance is often not recognized or disputed, proper maintenance is rare and can lead to breakdown, and deposits are withheld in disputes, you are an invitation to moto accident set ups, and cop check point scams.

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So that's how DR works for the average, and newbie, monger, and yes, they are street smart experts at psychology, and can size up a non resident in a New York Minute!

Now you can argue about who is right and who is wrong forever, and stand on your own "foreign" (to them), principles, but you'll be doing that all your trip, at the expense of your peaceful and harmonious, well earned, vacation.

But some mongers love these constant challenges and confrontations to their sense of right, it pumps up their jaded adrenaline, and gives them a high! As the endless stream of same old, same old, stories of rip offs, and attempted rip offs posted here attest to. I hear it all the time from some guys here who just seem to have a Charly Brown dark cloud that seems to follow them around! Lol

These folks should be avoided like the plague for a peaceful, harmonious vacation.

I do that and in 10 years of visiting and living here I can't say I have ever been ripped off, once!

My 4 year regular has to be schooled once in a while, that my dinero is limited, by my budget, and my inclination, and that I'm not an ATM machine. Sometimes I have to send her home for to make that point. It used to be hard to do that when they give you everything they have got to give, but reality must prevail or you join the ranks of the bitterly disappointed, and even controlled.

My two cents for a happy and satisfying visit!

I love my life here with the locals.

But that's because I understand them well, live in their culture, and not my own!

True, humorous and very well written! You are the jedi master! Code name. Obi won Oakie!!

[GrownMan1]

Damn good perspective Oakie! My overall perspective of dealing with Dominicans are in tune along those same lines you mentioned.