Bangkok Reports

[EihTooms]

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The stories are quite interesting. E. g. Difference between generations. Difference between Korean and Japanese customers.

Oh and BTW. Japanese schlongs are apparently bigger these days.

Oh, that's probably the result of price inflation over the years. As a matter of basic economic principles it had to go from 3-3-3 to 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 eventually. 😁

I'll bet they're taking longer to finish, too, right?

[EihTooms]

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Hey guys on the ground: how busy are the Go Go's and FL nightclubs currently? Full, busy but not full, half empty, or empty. From what my girls are telling me, I believe the Go Go's are somewhat busy, but not anywhere close to full capacity. Kind of like low season.
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Regarding the go-go bar scene, as of this past weekend your girls' assessment is the same as my assessment. Lately, I have gone into Billboard, Butterflies, Geisha Bar, Mandarin, Angelwitch, Kazy Kozy, Tilac, Baccara and several beer bars as well and typical low season is about right.

I would also say I have not felt any more welcome, needed, catered to, noticed or flirted with than usual by the girls working in the bars. If the prospect of unpaid rent or empty rice bowls is hanging like a dark cloud over their heads I saw no evidence of concern about it in their eyes or behavior.

[Franciscass]

Girls know the price level to pitch to get business for example i2500 at Thermae. I know I know you can negotiate but that's the going rate. So what happens when because there are fewer punters to go around more girls are going home empty handed more often. Do they stick to the 2500 until things get back to normal or do a sufficient number break ranks and reduce it to say 2000 or even 1500 to hook a trick? I feel it comes down to how badly they need the money. If the rent is overdue will she turn down 1500 knowing only the more in demand girls can score at 2500. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Another facet of the situation is whether service levels will improve when there are fewer customers in that the girls will realize repeat business becomes more important. As an aside we haven't seen the worst of this virus yet. Over the weekend South Korea Italy and the UK have come into play in a major way. Personally while I don't wear a mask I have never washed my hands more often.

[Member #4698]

Not in Thailand, that is. Not yet anyway.

Right, but for prices to fall significantly a lot more would have to occur. For example: the pandemic doomsday scenario in which hundreds of thousands if not millions die would certainly be enough to affect price and attitudes in an eventually very positive and significant way from the surviving consumer's point of view. The aftermath of WW II is a perfect example. Berlin Pussy in the summer of 1945 was equal to the price of a Hershey's chocolate bar, but it took the total destruction of the Third Reich and 60 million dead in Europe to get there. So far with only 79,000 reported cases and 2,470 deaths, the vast majority in China; the Bat Virus is small potatoes compared to the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 which infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims. I post these historical facts only to give the current situation a little perspective. Sure, there is some softening demand in Thailand for hotel rooms and pussy, I have seen some deals on the hotel reservation sites and it is interesting to note which hotels are offering the discounts like the Grande Center Point T21 which usually has a great many Chinese and Korean guests and which hotels are not offering any significant discounts like the nearby Hyatt Regency.

All I am saying is that while the Coronavirus is real and commands our serious attention, it is not a disaster or pandemic yet for any country except maybe China. For sure it has affected international travel, but not to the point where we are going to see a huge drop in the price of BKK girls. At least not yet. So far there has only been 35 reported cases in Thailand and no new cases in at least a week or 10 days which is pretty damn good news actually. So I think what you might see right now is more, better availability not doom and gloom. Hey guys on the ground: how busy are the Go Go's and FL nightclubs currently? Full, busy but not full, half empty, or empty. From what my girls are telling me, I believe the Go Go's are somewhat busy, but not anywhere close to full capacity. Kind of like low season.

In any case, let's see how this thing plays out. If the virus starts to multiply exponentially, BKK will become a ghost town and more significantly the Government will close it down. The girls will be afraid to go out to the bars and so will we. But, I think we are a long way off from that. Anyway, I have my fingers crossed and We shall see what we shall see.

[Catire]

Speaking of Thermae, was there tonight around closing time. It was quite dead.

Was fortunate enough to see my one girl in her usual spot at the usual time.

We went out, caught up on missed times, grabbed some food on the street, came back to room, talked some more.

And then she did what she does so well, which is taking care of little Catire.

Also told me some fascinating stories about her Japanese and Korean clientele, as I am her only farang.

The stories are quite interesting. E. g. Difference between generations. Difference between Korean and Japanese customers.

Oh and BTW. Japanese schlongs are apparently bigger these days.

[EihTooms]

I am not sure it will get there in thailand. One of my most disappointing thai trips was shortly after the king passed. I hesitated on going but thought with all the earlier closures and tourist numbers down the supply and demand curves would work in my favor, total fail. Selection wasn't a problem at all, but there was movement at all on prices or service. In fact in a lot of ways I think it was worse since with the bars closing at midnight I was there at close and the girls wouldn't negotiate worth a shit, not even on 500 thb. Due to the shortened hours they pushed drinks heavy and then got all sorts of pushbacks, only ST, only NANA hotels, wouldn't come down from 3 k to 2500, list goes on. It was all in all just annoying and got on my nerves, probably went home alone more than any other trip. I think it was best explained as thai economics. Instead of the normal supply and demand curves as demand falls prices go up since the girl is only going to get 1 customer every 3-5 days instead of 1 every day and treats her pussy as a resource that is going to wear out and can be held for future use. We all know that age and that missed night is one less in their total working life to earn, but that just isn't the thai mindset.

Where I would expect to see it is in the part timers first since they are more tuned into earning now since it can't be earned tomorrow, so maybe the FL, wechat, and thermae part timers will see the opportunity first.

Interesting observation and I share it. I was here before and after the King died and I did not notice one iota of improvement in the Value For Money ratio while doom, gloom and lower punter traffic prevailed for many months, even years.

I sometimes seriously wonder if any but a tiny fraction of these girls are in the P4P business for the usual storied reasons of "desperation" for financial support, milk for their babies, get mom out of the hospital, blah, blah, blah. I don't mean anyone should ever have taken that crap literally. But even as a tale for them to tell as a substitute for any other serious reasons for going the P4P route, it just doesn't add up.

By now I have heard hundreds if not thousands of "I must have (fill in the baht amount here) tomorrow or I'll die! Please, can I come see you today??" stories and variations of them. I used to work out ways to help IF this and that happened with no greater rate of memorable success in the bed at crunch time than I get with the girls who are so busy with customers it takes days for them to return a Line message.

And, of course, now that I almost never respond to those pleas of "tomorrow I will die!" anymore, every one of those "desperate" girls, old repeats and new contacts alike, are still alive and kicking days later, no reports of their death, starved babies, moms prevented from leaving hospitals for lack of payment or anything of the kind. No, they show up again just as before, no change in their life or routine, seemingly well fed and taken care of and no memory of me having casually chosen their death over seeing them for a P4P fuck and suck several days earlier.

Maybe this time it will be different. Eventually. But I am not planning on it and would honestly be shocked if it was.

The only difference I have seen or noticed so far after a few weeks of coronavirus hysteria downturn is Thai street girls bothering to engage in conversation a tad longer than usual with certain heretofore ethnic undesirables to them and a slight uptick in the number of "Hi. How are you?" Line messages I'm getting from my regulars.

But in no case in my experience at least are agreements to do more, do better and/or for less money being made either on the street, in the bars or among my regulars. Not in Thailand, that is. Not yet anyway.

[AmPervert]

I am coming back and was wondering if anyone knows of any lactating or pregnant providers?

We all have our kinks.

[MichaelSamuel]

Hello EihTooms,

I think you will have to wait two or three more months before the girls around Asia start to get really desperate and start to lower their prices and up their services. First the Chinese stopped coming. Now Koreans and Japanese have started to cancel en masse. Other Asians from other nearby countries are also starting to reconsider traveling. Europeans are less likely to come to Asia for their holidays later this year.

It will take a few more months but the dominoes are starting to fall slowly and this will accelerate in the coming months. If as a business or person you depend on income from tourism you will be in big trouble. Thailand and most SE and E Asian countries will have one of their worst years in a long time. It will be a buyers market in a few months.

I am not sure it will get there in thailand. One of my most disappointing thai trips was shortly after the king passed. I hesitated on going but thought with all the earlier closures and tourist numbers down the supply and demand curves would work in my favor, total fail. Selection wasn't a problem at all, but there was movement at all on prices or service. In fact in a lot of ways I think it was worse since with the bars closing at midnight I was there at close and the girls wouldn't negotiate worth a shit, not even on 500 thb. Due to the shortened hours they pushed drinks heavy and then got all sorts of pushbacks, only ST, only NANA hotels, wouldn't come down from 3 k to 2500, list goes on. It was all in all just annoying and got on my nerves, probably went home alone more than any other trip. I think it was best explained as thai economics. Instead of the normal supply and demand curves as demand falls prices go up since the girl is only going to get 1 customer every 3-5 days instead of 1 every day and treats her pussy as a resource that is going to wear out and can be held for future use. We all know that age and that missed night is one less in their total working life to earn, but that just isn't the thai mindset.

Where I would expect to see it is in the part timers first since they are more tuned into earning now since it can't be earned tomorrow, so maybe the FL, wechat, and thermae part timers will see the opportunity first.

[MichaelSamuel]

I love times like that where it doesn't really matter how things turn out, not much money is on the line, just seeing if there is anything worth my time here and there. Of course, that is a luxury expats who live here can enjoy more than when you have spent serious money to fly here and back, rent a hotel room, devoted precious vacation days to it and all of that as most do.

You are spot on there, one of the big issues in the current environment is that at this price level and with time restraints it's much more difficult for tourists. Even at my level of 3-4 trips a year so around a 4-6 weeks in country total it's still difficult to give up those precious days with no action. I have my group of regulars but of course that pool needs constantly refreshed due to their disappearance or getting lazy and not performing. THe advantage however is that even on the duds in the recruitment process I still know tomorrow I can have a winner in one of my regulars. So far I haven't managed any regulars that didn't come out of gogos, which granted are my prime hunting ground so percentage wise that follows. However of all the thermae girls ever taken only 2 were repeats and neither worth a 3rd attempt. I have had some regular massage girls out of SW over the years and woodbar, but only regulars at the shop never outside. However at current prices you are committing on average 4 k each attempt (average of gogo ST, thermae, gogo LT, +drinks and assorted costs). That's not an inexpensive number when you may at best be getting 1/5 worth repeating. Don't get me wrong I fully concur with Goat that this is bad value for the same thai ass that used to go for 1 k, but coming even from an average sized US city where an hour GFE 1-2 shots is going to run $300 USD this is still more affordable and with many more options to shop from. To a degree the market is similar to when I lived in Vegas. A local can go to the casino and make his nut in 5 minutes and walk away cash in hand, but a tourist who wins in 5 minutes always ends up giving it back, they just don't have the option to wait until tomorrow and they end up back at the tables.

I am guilty as charged at not holding the girls up to higher standard and in all my years only kicked out 2 girls with 500-1 k baht after they total dissapointed. Problem is I am always on my precious vacation days and when I consider the greater loss its the time and not the money. I have improved over the years on refining selection and become a lot pickier so my success rate is higher but it is difficult to hold them to the standard I should.

[Francesco24]

On TF I met a girl called Sunisa. Tiny girl about 38 kg. Age given as 35 but Probably older. She quoted 2 K ST and 3 K LT. Liked what I saw from the pictures and after chatting for a few days took the chance on LT at my condo. She was super excited about that and after a beer to relax her a bit she did everything possible to please me and all holes were available BBFS. She fell asleep with my dick in her mouth and woke me up next morning with a wonderful blowjob. I had assumed that she would be on her way after breakfast but somehow she made no attempts to leave and as it was a Sunday we went straight back to bed where we stayed for the rest of the day. She left Monday morning when I had to get ready for work. Gave her the agreed 3 K which she was happy with and asked when she could see me again. Subsequently she came back a couple of nights over the following weeks but I had to cut the cord since she was becoming clingy and suggested of moving in, haha.

Hi,

Do you maybe know the TF username of this girl?

Thanks.

[EihTooms]

We have our differences ET over unprotected sex but there is no denying the envy I feel for your drive and stamina. Even in my prime which was quite a while back I had no where near your zeal to get laid. On top I admire your ability to take rejection and disappointment in your stride and carry on regardless to get what you desire and may I say in all honestly just based on the effort alone you put into it what you deserve.

LOL. Well, thanks for that, Franciscass. I'll be 67 soon and I guess there is an element of wanting to get out there and do it while I still can. What have I got, maybe 10 regular mongering years left tops? And some of those will likely drop down to once a week instead of 4-5 times a week.

Now, an episodic day and night like the one I just reported on was not one of those times when I was driven to get laid my way come hell or high water, although I can see how it might read that way. If it had been I would have gone about things differently.

It was really just one of those days where I had nothing else to do so thought I would check out the massage shop girl's deal, then I happened to be walking past Thermae on my way back to my apartment later that night so I popped in just to watch the parade, then out on the street and oh, here's a new FL I'd never seen before grabbing my arm and so on.

I love times like that where it doesn't really matter how things turn out, not much money is on the line, just seeing if there is anything worth my time here and there. Of course, that is a luxury expats who live here can enjoy more than when you have spent serious money to fly here and back, rent a hotel room, devoted precious vacation days to it and all of that as most do.

[EihTooms]

Seems to me that Mr. Tooms moved the goal line here. On the street the girl agreed to his BBFS ask, and in the room she honored her commitment. But at that juncture he added a new term to the deal. When she demurred, he paid only two-thirds of the agreed amount and sent her packing.
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I can see how someone would come to that conclusion based on what I wrote. Or, rather, what I forgot to write. It was such an episodic day and evening, one of the details of that particular episode that I intended to include but see now that I forgot to include was that it was her idea to convert our "1,500 baht for LT" agreement into a ST. After the sex, she took a shower and came out of the bathroom fully dressed and looking for her shoes. She had only been in my room about an hour. And she spent 10 minutes or so of that eating a bowl of sumtam I bought for her from a street vendor on the walk to my room.

So that is why I mentioned just giving her 1,000 baht and "off she went." But I would have concluded the same as you and felt the same way about it based on a detail that did not manage to move from my memory to my final report.

[Gargano19]

Thailand has 35 confirmed cases, that's all we know for now. It doesn't take close contact to spread, sitting in the same bar should do the trick.

Plenty of other things spread with saliva, pussy juices and all. If you're paranoid about catching anything, this is the wrong hobby for you.

Not sure why single out freelancers, it's not like bargirls get daily coronavirus testing. I guess some people like to feel safe by drawing arbitrary and meaningless lines.

Personally, I don't think coronavirus is a concern for mongering at this point, you may well get it on the BTS.

I have a different opinion on this. Sitting in a bts with mask and kissing or licking pussy of a FL or hooker who might have had close contact with Chinese are two very different things. As long as you're not touching your nose-ear-mouth area (that's where a mask helps), and cleaning hands with sanitizer regularly, you'll be a lot safer. But fucking a hooker whose mainly clients are asians, not sounds so safe, I would either wait for 1-2 months or just go to Europe or Brazil for a while.

[Franciscass]

Regarding Bangkok freelancers, bargirls and other P4P options these days, I would say my rate of getting refused for what I consider True GFE/Real Sex is no different and might be a bit worse than prior to the coronavirus hysteria. If that is any part of your question about it being "safe" to go out with freelancers. I have noticed zero increase in handing out more intimate or better sex by the girls here during this time. And I have certainly been trying as much if not more than before.

I cruised through Thermae about 10:30PM last night and got the same cold shoulder from the best looking young girls in there that I was used to getting as a farang man pre corornavirus.

As I walked down Sukhumvit after leaving Thermae I got arm hooked by a new freelancer I had never seen before, attractive, about 30 years old, seemed to be desperate to convince me to please take her for ST. "Well, do you like to kiss on the lips?", I asked her after a short chat about names, where I stay and so on. Her beaming smile dropped and with a pained look on her face she said, "Oh, um, um, only a little bit." Bye. So much for any desperation to convince me to take her for ST. I didn't even bother to ask her about BBFS.

I had been pursued relentlessly by a kind of sexy girl who clicked Interested in me on a dating site who works in a massage shop in Bang Rak. So I finally went there yesterday afternoon to meet her, got a 30 minute head and shoulder massage..

We have our differences ET over unprotected sex but there is no denying the envy I feel for your drive and stamina. Even in my prime which was quite a while back I had no where near your zeal to get laid. On top I admire your ability to take rejection and disappointment in your stride and carry on regardless to get what you desire and may I say in all honestly just based on the effort alone you put into it what you deserve.

[Bunky]

She walked past me and we both turned to give a second look. Quick chat. Yes to BBFS, no problem. 1,500 for LT. Seems it was love at first sight of me and my interest in giving her money for sex. Unfortunately, in the bed and at crunch time she was either too incompetent or adamantly opposed to the idea of reaching around to do a little slow and gentle ball tickling during fucking that I have found over the past 3-4 decades I need in order finish. As little as 2-3 minutes of it will do it for me once I have decided I want to finish. Very simple. But not for this girl. Who knows what the hell that was about. So I thanked her for her time, gave her 1,000 baht and off she went. I will not repeat.

Seems to me that Mr. Tooms moved the goal line here. On the street the girl agreed to his BBFS ask, and in the room she honored her commitment. But at that juncture he added a new term to the deal. When she demurred, he paid only two-thirds of the agreed amount and sent her packing.

I understand the concept that the customer is always right. As the transgender hooker in the movie classic "Risky Business" tells Joel Goodson: "I mean, when you put your good money down you got to get what you wanted in the first place. Know what I mean? When you buy a TV, you don't buy Sony if you want RCA."

But as the old saw reminds us, often the perfect is the enemy of the good. That is, I think, especially true in this pursuit of ours. I'm not telling anybody what to do. But if were me, I would have declared victory and enjoyed myself, even if I didn't get that last five percent performance.