Thread: Stupid Shit in Kyiv
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02-29-20 20:51 #135
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
Anyway, why do Anglo world men fall in such a predicament with huge expenses and not much if anything gained? There are certain patterns observed:
1. A form of masochism:
- She abused me, and I was so deceived! I spent so much money, and got nothing! And all the Ukrainian girls are ugly scammers!
And those complaints go on and on, because they deliver masochistic pleasure to the whining loser.
2. A form of gambling addiction. Similar risks, dangers, and loss patterns. Perception of getting the value:
- I am a wealthy man. Not everybody can afford this exclusive life style!
Let me explain this one in a little more detail.
When I order an hourly girl from agency, I know that at a minimum I'll get a BJ and vaginal intercourse. Simple very transactional business foundation. There is a chance of getting low quality resource, and most of the time I reject those in the delivery vehicle before paying anything. There is also a chance of getting a poor performer, who acts better during initial casting and then shuts down. In my experience that chance is under 30% when sourcing from established contacts, and I don't mind that loss within 1500-2000 UAH price segment. I consider this as an opportunity to convert better performers to my regulars. But this post is not about my successes.
Things get significantly more complicated with travel, marriage agencies and especially with paid online communication. The Fantasy is sold, the Promise, ever so elusive Happiness. Obviously girls and their management do not want to do much for free.
On one side, those Anglo world men do not dare to destroy that fancy temple, elaborately built in their imagination, with a request for a concise services list directly explaining aforementioned intimacy. Anglo world men assume that imminent paradise will unfold on its own, as it does in their heads (both upper and lower).
On the opposite side, girls (and managing them boys or whoever) have well established business processes with catch phrases and perfectly positioned marketing statements, actually saying nothing about mating or even kissing. That's where the disconnect happens. Anglo world men have false assumptions based on wrong expectations without due diligence, pre-qualification and validation.
Does it mean providers are scammers?
Only if they do not deliver on their promise in the contract.
If contract states "To have great time together with exceptional select females", then there's no breach in not providing sex to dissatisfied horny monger. And doesn't matter if he is ugly or tall, fit, sharply dressed and has great personality. Girls actually enjoy having a type of sadistic pleasure in dominating without delivering while being chased after.
If contract states "sex", but doesn't say how often, and doesn't mention GFE, then this is again the case of wrong expectations and assumptions.
Hookers in Amsterdam RLD do not promise GFE. Pay, fuck and move on! Are they scammers?
When inexperienced black jack player looses more than he can afford, is Casino at fault? Are card dealers and pit bosses merely shameless scammers?
Mongering in Kiev is like gambling. Even experienced card counter may have tactical setbacks, but with solid strategy and properly set expectations long term mongering chances in Kiev are way better than in black jack. And by saying long term, I mean many girls over at least multiple weeks if not months and years.
I am not talking about virtues of management and employees of marriage agencies around the world. And I agree with Kozerog, it is mind-boggling how men can be so stupid around women, doesn't matter Ukrainian or not.
I actually think it is not stupidity, but rather mental disorder one way or the other.
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02-29-20 17:19 #134
Posts: 2856Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
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02-29-20 12:58 #133
Posts: 242Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
I had a number of online arguments with this Stryker guy, including on his Ukraine Fusion forum, where he banned me for negativity. If I recall correctly, Stryker himself spent $5000 on a Dream Connections tour, have $8000 to another agency to get introductions to overweight middle-aged single mothers, then finally met a few younger girls who he took them on expenses paid vacations to Venice and other pricey destinations before they dumped him. At least he got sime "intimacy" during these trips. Not sure how much intimacy, but surely price per act of intimacy at least $1000.
Another guy on Stryker's forum spent like $30 K on a girl and never got more than a kiss. When he took her to Paris after she accepted his marriage proposal, she insisted on separate bedrooms. At least the marriage fell through and he didn't get divorce raped. I spent a lot of time chatting with this guy. Clearly a sharp businessman (something to do with gas and oil drilling) and worth at least $10 million, but absolutely no sense where women are concerned. Turns to putty in the hands of these Ukrainian scammers.
Tons more guys like this. Really mind-boggling how men can be so stupid around women, especially Anglo world men around Ukrainian women.
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02-29-20 04:24 #132
Posts: 2856Originally Posted by MSClive [View Original Post]
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02-28-20 19:24 #131
Posts: 732Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
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02-28-20 16:24 #130
Posts: 269Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
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02-28-20 16:19 #129
Posts: 732You guys ever notice that these you tube guys traveling Eastern Europe discreetly incorporate pussy into their videos. If we were back ten years, these same dudes would be on this forum describing their sexual conquests. I enjoy the content, but they're misleading viewers to believe sweet cuties can be found in the East. I can only imagine how many excited young men jump on a plane to only find reality.
I'm not discouraging travel. If you want success, you better have the cash and time. Most importantly, you better keep your Western values back home.
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02-28-20 12:16 #128
Posts: 397Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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02-26-20 21:52 #127
Posts: 823Originally Posted by TinyHippo [View Original Post]
Kiev is an interesting city. One can spend almost more than in New York, or stay within very modest limits.
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02-26-20 01:01 #126
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
I also communicated a few times with scammers. They get easily frustrated when their attempts do not work. Desperation is obvious.
So, there's a lot of make-belief, wishful thinking and misconception around mongering activities in Kiev, as well as lots of variety, as it is a big and continually growing city with vibrant young population. Many girls do fish for easy money, doesn't mean they get it left and right, leaving the visiting boys empty-handed.
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02-25-20 23:08 #125
Posts: 114Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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02-25-20 19:54 #124
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
I have nothing against masturbation, or any other form of getting off, as long as it's consensual and nobody is hurt. To each his own. Yet my own preference is to consume the real product instead of a substitute.
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02-25-20 19:51 #123
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
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02-25-20 18:49 #122
Posts: 242Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
Similar situation with girls in the USA on seeking.com offering platonic or online-only or financial domination relationships. Add up all the money of all the simps willing to indulge such foolishness, divide by the number of girls trying these scams, and final result is that most such girls are getting nothing.
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02-25-20 15:18 #121
Posts: 732Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]