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03-06-20 23:31 #20391
Posts: 3Originally Posted by YummyPL [View Original Post]
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03-06-20 17:18 #20390
Posts: 499Originally Posted by Koijima [View Original Post]
I am curious where you flew in from and if they do that with all flights.
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03-06-20 00:24 #20389
Posts: 718I'm guessing all expats are wondering how their sweetheart will react in a time of crisis. Get out now if you only have fake friends.
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03-05-20 19:21 #20388
Posts: 269Originally Posted by Koijima [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Koijima [View Original Post]
Anyway I hope everything could get under control soon.
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03-05-20 07:58 #20387
Posts: 3Covid-19
Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
Given the infection rate if you go out you're vulnerable, no intimate contact needed.
However it looks like the death rate is actually lower since they are catching more people with the disease that only have mild symptoms. Previously, they were only catching the worse cases so the death rate is significantly inflated.
In any case wanted to give my 2 cents and thank all the previous contributions to the forum.
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03-04-20 21:08 #20386
Posts: 269Stay safe
Originally Posted by YummyPL [View Original Post]
On the other hand I am a little bit concerned about the potential coronavirus outbreak in Ukraine. It appears to me that the government has done little trying to stop the epidemic. There was no health or temperature check at KBP, and the immigration officer didn't ask me any question regarding my traveling history. This was very different from my experience in Moscow and Minsk airports, where I was required to take health checks by medical teams at the airports because I come from a high-risk country.
There are already multiple confirmed cases in surrounding countries including Russia, Belarus, Romania and Baltic States. There is a high risk of potential outbreak of this disease in Ukraine, considering the number of Ukrainians traveling to EU, and the public lack of awareness of severity of the coronavirus situation. I live in Kiev suburbs with my girlfriend and I have seen literally no one here wearing masks in the streets.
I would suggest to stop meeting random girls for a while if possible. This disease is not a common flu. Its death rate is significantly higher than flu. It keeps mutating quickly. A new study in China finds that the coronavirus can cause irreversible brain damage even if it is eventually cured.
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03-04-20 18:24 #20385
Posts: 50Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
Darn.
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03-04-20 16:24 #20384
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Tomster99 [View Original Post]
Website is up, and has phone + email, but online chat doesn't respond. Maybe Viber or other messenger is available on the number they provide in contacts? Massage parlors in Kiev open and close when they feel like.
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03-04-20 14:39 #20383
Posts: 50Moulin Rouge Massages: out of business?
Anyone would know if they are out of business?
Last two times I wanted to go by noone answered the door.
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03-04-20 08:30 #20382
Posts: 2821Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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03-03-20 21:40 #20381
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
In that respect Riina is definitely right.
Still, I have been treated with real problems in Kiev. I have received not only much more affordable, but also more professional wholistic care, way better than in US under corporate umbrella. Certain chronic issues were not treated in US for many years after repeated attempts. Urology, dermatology, etc.
I certainly wouldn't show up at the public city hospital, especially if the system gets overwhelmed. On the other hand private clinics in Kiev, as CastOnThis pointed out, serve me personally better than in US. I travel to Kiev since 1986, and since 2016 regularly use few private clinics for anything, ranging from proactive diagnostics to more serious ailments.
For surgeries though, I would still prefer US. For any dental emergency in Kiev I would only go to the dentist after referral from a solid source. Did that as well. In rare specific cases orthodontists (bite experts) in Kiev were better educated than in US. Sure there are many charlatans, that can not only do poor job, but also infect with hepatitis or god knows what. One of my fired GFs had paid to cosmetic surgery for nothing. She looks OK, but after paying few thousand dollars to a part time undertaker, that she found on Internet, the desired result was not achieved. So I do not go at random.
The level of Kiev healthcare is dictated by amount of money available in multi-million people megapolis, tradition of health care in Kiev in particular, and availability of visa free travel to outside clinics for treatment of customers and education of staff.
There is no doubt there are medical scams, collusion and corruption. Few weeks ago cosmetic surgeon was shot dead downtown Kiev by hired killer to make a point about certain business practices by his parents. Family moved from Donetsk, where his industrious mom laid off number of employees. And it came back. Both perpetrators have been arrested, but the doctor has checked out forever.
That is why I use my Kiev connections, going to specific trusted clinics and specialists.
The other serious problem in Ukraine. Fake counterfeit medication, all over!
But I like direct access to anything: treatment, most medication, diagnostic tests, specific specialists.
Anyway, it's a matter of perception. For some it is convenient to believe that Ukraine is inferior in everything. My belief is that US healthcare objectives are making money, long term health management and milking instead of cure, patching of symptoms, waiting out to see if ailment disappears on its own, strong reliance on pharmaceutical miracles, control of information flow, and elimination of potential liability. Healthcare in Kiev is slowly and inevitably moving in that direction too due to business drivers, but still, the main objective is to **cure** the patient.
This discussion is somewhat similar to mongering. I think that for me personally Kiev has the best girls, and many of them are acting sincere enough while we are together. Over the years, just like with doctors, I built a network of regulars, that are happy to meet. 4 of them spoke to me remotely today. Someone else may say that they are all ugly scammers and cannot be trusted. Matter of perception. Nothing personal.
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03-03-20 20:40 #20380
Posts: 823Originally Posted by CastOnThis [View Original Post]
1. Health Management Organization / Insurance or even primary care physician may deny the treatment because it is outside of their guidelines / cost structure.
2. Become a rock star, like Keith Richards, and pay exorbitant amounts to private doctors and clinics, where the best care is available. Except, as we know, Michael Jackson has died in the hands of those. So did Chris Cornell. And many others.
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03-03-20 18:09 #20379
Posts: 718Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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03-03-20 17:21 #20378
Posts: 154Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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03-03-20 04:18 #20377
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]