German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Sirioja]

Looks like Germany is relaxing the travel ban for some Romanian workers:

https://youtu.be/hQopyCSY-DQ?t=20

Not only for brothels, Germany need Romania, maybe new job in fresh air for WGs.

Agriculture minister is sexier than Merkel.

[McAdonis]

Looks like Germany is relaxing the travel ban for some Romanian workers:

https://youtu.be/hQopyCSY-DQ?t=20

[The Cane]

So, seems my choices are the following (although I think one of these may have permanently closed): Living Room; Acapulco; Dolce Vita; Planet Happy Garden; Oceans. Would appreciate hearing from those of you who are in the know from direct experience about the pros and cons of each of these clubs, and why any one of them should be on my "must-see" list during my next mongering trip to Ge-monger-ry. Thanks in advance!

Oh, I forgot about Magnum. What about Magnum? Anybody?

[Apollyon]

My information is of course second hand but from reliable contacts, as I am not currently in Germany although I was there after some clubs had already closed. Some girls are still in Germany and are entertaining regulars, there are a few groups of girls operating like an FKK, but access is by invite only, and Chinese, and American visitors are specifically excluded.

Salutations Herr Optimist.

There are options still available here. But easier for a Turkish pimp to enter Goldentime Bruggen at 19.00 on a Thursday or Friday evening than it would be to gain access to some of the options which you mention. I will contact you tomorrow.

[The Cane]

Looking ahead to better times, I've decided that I would like to take a trip to Germany in 2021 for my next mongering adventure. I'm quite familiar with my favorite FKK destinations in Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Berlin. Also with Munich and Cologne, neither of which I desire to return to for the purposes of mongering. I've also decided to skip Augsburg for the time being. That leaves me with one major metro area that I have yet to fully investigate, and that would be Dusseldorf.

For those who know the Dusseldorf area and environs, which clubs there would you classify as "must-see" clubs? I remember that years ago before I first visited it, many of the "ice bears" referred to Golden Time as "must-see". I went, I saw, and I really did not like it there, and have never returned. I understand that one of my favorites of all time, German, blue-eyed blonde "Artemis Lilia" used to work at GT. Damn glad I found her at another club, as I've no desire to set foot inside of GT again.

So, seems my choices are the following (although I think one of these may have permanently closed): Living Room; Acapulco; Dolce Vita; Planet Happy Garden; Oceans. Would appreciate hearing from those of you who are in the know from direct experience about the pros and cons of each of these clubs, and why any one of them should be on my "must-see" list during my next mongering trip to Ge-monger-ry. Thanks in advance!

[Sirioja]

I wasn't going to answer this, but I will. My argument was that the lockdown mitigates the mortality rate and results in a slower rate of herd immunity, something which is actually happening everywhere in Europe.

All things being equal, I wanted to illustrate what could potentially happen in the total absence of a lockdown, some of the arguments I have read on the forum are like, "we have it figured out because we are just better people. " Like I said I lived in Sweden for quite a few years and I am familiar with the country.

Different countries are in different phases of this pandemic, Europe is generally in an more advanced phase than the US, death rates are now falling as opposed to the US, where the infection is in an earlier phase. Sweden is more geographically remote than Beligium and the Netherlands, this would spread northwards from the initial epicenters in Europe, ie Italy (although very the virus first appeared is in doubt). So in that respect the pandemic would hit the Benelux countries earlier than Scandinavia.

Secondly, Sweden is one of the most sparsely populated countries in Europe and the Benelux region is the most densely populated, this certainly has an effect on the progression of the disease, that is why New York is hit far harder than Los Angeles (if anyone knows this city it is a relatively sparsely populated metropolis and New York is far more dense)...

You are right, there is explanation about each case and all figures are not same reliable. You can't compare Italy and Spain where people live with old parents, with Scandinavia which is half population of Germany or France or UK or Italy or Spain, and where virus arrived much later, but spreading now also there, but for sure Stockholm, Oslo, Kopenhagen are more safe than NYC. Except for poor countries and Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine and most part of Russia are, difference about managing virus is not so much about medical level, but much more about organization and how work society. Italians and Spanish killing their old parents because they love them, many poor in US who can t go for healthcare, so, unfortunately, many who keep on working and they are very courageous, when many stopped to work in France because they know they will be paid 84%, not so bad when not working, when need money to eat, but they will die. A bit unfair, poor die more than rich, same in district 93 in France. Virus is not on same level everywhere, figures when real will talk at the end. Even some animals can get, 7 tigers in NYC zoo seem, maybe they gave them to eat infected dead, when no free truck to put them.

[Samplerr]

You keep referencing New York City stories but I'll say it again, New York City is doing terrible but New York City only represents less that 0.3 percent of the entire United States. As much as the media and Europeans talk terribly about our healthcare system, the fact remains, we are doing a much better job treating the sick during this pandemic than most European nations. That's a statistical fact.

I doubt that differences in death rates amongst developed nations can be explained to any great degree by differences in the quality of care. Infection rates and their control are arguably the greatest source of differences.

Higher population density in Western European cities facilitated a faster spread of the virus that frequently overwhelmed health infrastructure. The US has comparative advantages because of geography / population density, but where it doesn't you have similar problems to what we've witnessed in Italy, Spain etc. New York city is the textbook example, where around one third of the national death toll is generated by 2. 5% of the population.

Some of the developed nations that have to date fared best, such as Australian and New Zealand, have greatly benefitted from low population densities and their lack of neighbours. Certain Southeast Asian countries have been much better at controlling the spread of the virus from an early stage because their testing, tracking and isolating programs have been superior.

[Sirioja]

Terrible things for sure, but they are anecdotal. Those sensational stories do not reflect the actual epidemiology of the disease. The numbers don't lie; the USA has better numbers regarding death rates than most of western Europe. I think as men, we should be able to look at the data rather than be influenced by sensational, heartstring tugging stories. And the numbers say that America Is keeping people alive at a greater rate than most of the EU, only 57 deaths per 1 million people where EU nations overall average twice that number.

You keep referencing New York City stories but I'll say it again, New York City is doing terrible but New York City only represents less that 0.3 percent of the entire United States. As much as the media and Europeans talk terribly about our healthcare system, the fact remains, we are doing a much better job treating the sick during this pandemic than most European nations. That's a statistical fact.

I think Europeans need to worry about Europe's terrible death rates in comparison to how Americans are doing, which is objectively better than most EU nations.

I'm very sad about what happen in my country, Summer weather now but I don't care, I don't even go to escorts and nothing about virus risk, I m just happy my Italian friends are safe and really wish to go in my mountains on this Summer, even will be difficult to perform with less oxygen in blood. I take US example, just because most powerful army, powerful economy, nevertheless they are not able to manage this virus. Yes NYC is not San Francisco which stay quite safe, but for the world, NYC is image number 1 in US, for tourism, with Florida. For sure, I trust more US than Asians and not only China, for figures, but US don't really know how many deaths, because as say doctors: many poor people will die because they don t go to hospital, they need to keep on working to have to eat, when French government pay for unemployed who are paid 84%, with my tax, when I keep on working because I don t want to lose my job. Not only in NYC, but Louisiana, all places where poor, mostly black and Latina, more than 10 million illegals, who can t afford to pay. I think this virus will show about US society with so many poor who can't pay for healthcare and figures at the end should talk, when virus arrived later than in Western Europe.

[Sirioja]

It mutates. So total immunity is a hoax. Same as vaccines. But genes and bloodtypes can help. Maybe also some immune cells from closely related mutations may help. But that is still just assumptions so far.

In France, our doctors and until now, from my experiences, I trust French medical, tell us when You caught and recovered, after more than 14 days, you won't give to others, you may not catch again, even thinking to use past infected plasma as vaccine. So, when You survived, You seem more safe than when You didn't catch yet when virus is now everywhere. Even sunny and warm weather now, but a bit of rare sunshine was a 97 yo, very thin, mamy who survived, her daughter couldn't believe. Saw a sad report about a 80 yo guy, bed and all highest level medical equipment were free to cure him, but after exam, doctor told: I can t do anything for him, his 2 lungs are full killed, he can t breathe anymore by himself, so even not allowed, but she made exception, she called his daughter and let her see him, touching him but with gloves, for last time, and they gave him pills not to suffer until his end. In US, many people don t go to hospital because they know they can t pay, in France, everybody and even foreigners can come to our hospitals, now free beds again, but until few days ago, only really sick cases, problems to breathe, high fever, were sent to hospitals, not when just sick. Moving them to other places in France or to Germany when a bit better health, to free beds, no worst case was not treated in France, but seem many are dying even under intensive care with all highest equipment, doctors can t save them. This virus seem to kill lungs. More than 13 000 deaths now in France, confined will be extended over 15 April, even this is very difficult for French, we are not Asians, we are not Germans. US people don t respect confined.

[Sirioja]

I have been to paris for holiday twice, but unfortunately, I was with a girl, so I could not monger in Paris (same when I went to Romania, but I fucked so many Romanians years later in Germany LOL), but I mongered in geneve with escort agency and sometimes they sent me French stunners as Geneve is right on border with France, and these girls were gorgeous.

As for Russian, I have been to many places in eastern Europe and they are top beauty, but I see difference with eastern European stunners like Russian stunners and German stunners are different. I even see difference in looks with Russian stunners and Ukrainian stunners. They are all my favorite stunners and they all fuck good, but I like either German or blondes in bed, they are the dirtiest. Russian too, but not compare to how dirty German and Ukrainian stunners can be in bed.

If escort agencies were so good back then in Paris why did you bother to drive to Germany from France to monger in German FKK? Like, I like also Eurasian girls, half Japanese and half white, and I fuck them here in Tokyo and I fucked beauty like rola takizawa 2010 to 2012 and also maria ozawa at her peak in 2008, but there are shortage of fully white Caucasian stunners here or Latina stunner, which I substitute with Romanian or south american in German FKK, so this is why I goto Germany to fuck these type of beauty that are harder to find here, how about you?

Unfortunately, Amour Russe closed after a police raid. I used to go to escorts on week days, I should say nights, after my job, and drove to my datcha, Germany, on week end, because on 2014/2015/2016, World, Oase then Sharks had real beauties who could compete with Russian escorts for beauty and in bed. Now, not anymore same level for escorts in Paris, even can still sometimes find few beauties, and still going to my week end datcha, looking for Romanian beauties who are my best. Usually, when I m attracted by her beauty and manners, when she tell me she is Romanian, even when she is not a hardcore performer, but I know I will make her become a woman for me, in bed. Had to work hard with some, but I know Romanian is a quality for my way for love sex, even few say: too much love with You. I hate Germans who say: I don t sell love. I made mistake about super sexy Denisa at Amesia, we had a really long chat, she looked at me with round eyes, telling she was afraid of feeling love if we kissed, rather than trying to explain her what is love she didn't seem to know, I should have just played with her, maybe too respectful. Had some Romanian beauties who could be escorts in Paris, Sofia Globe did in Paris, maybe why she turned from PSE show in lounge to super GFE for me, shouting in club: my love, all girls looking at me, legendary Kate telling me: You found a new GF, when she was Globe superstar, but always looking what I was doing.

[Mr Ho]

How about renaming this thread as the Corona Covid-19 Lounge?

You are right. Let get back to sex topic after today then LOL.

I much prefer to talk about mongering than virus, which I can do with my private life, where as mongering, I cannot discuss in my private life.

[Mr Ho]

It is inaccurate to think that testing people with mild symptoms over burdens the health system. If you think about it, most people have mild symptoms for a few days before they become more serious. Testing someone with serious symptoms will ensure that person can get into the hospital but in those few days that guy would have infected many other people. If he had been confirmed with Corona earlier he could have self isolated and not infected others.

The point of testing is to know who is infected and so that those people can be quarantined and will not infect other people in the society.

In US and many other countries, hospitals are admitting Corona patients *only when the patient develops serious respiratory troubles*. Even when they tested positive and have fever and cough, they are being told to self isolate at home and take medicines to treat the symptoms. If hospitals are over burdened that is because there are many seriously infected patients. I think your understanding of this topic needs a little adjustment in my view..

I know, we may have second wave even next year like Spanish flu, it killed more people with second wave. This won't be over till vaccines are invented, and even then virus can come back with different form like influenza is, that is why we get shot with updated vaccines every year.

Well, then why did so many nations around globe had destruction of medical system to the extent they did not even have masks or gloves or life supporting equipment were so short of needs that doctors had to choose who will get the life supporting system etc.

Look, I hope world especially human are wonderful as we like to believe, west love idealism. Japan like to believe in idealism too, we like it, but we stick to reality and are more practical. Meaning Japan think like this, if we say we are testing people so easily then mass public will rush to hospital to test themselves especially with japans good insurance policy where most things are covered and where people love going to hospital as we are health hygiene conscious race, so this will create many problems including cluster infections at hospital while waiting and even we test and tests results are positive, we do not want to treat mild symptom patients with medicine like avigan because we rather to keep them to fix it with their immune system first, either way there will be panic plus the cluster infections, so what we focused on is to make people to stay home not to gather and for those who need to go out side go out side if it is related to work or buying food.

It is different way of approaching it and japans way of not being idealistic and not trusting what mass public could do is different. We know what will happen if we begin testing people as they request based on mild symptom. And hey, it is japanese mass public we are talking here, based on truth, we have reputation of being very polite, organized and disciplined than other nations, but even then we were careful to how mass public may react if people began going to hospitals. As a result, we do not have collapse of hospital here and we still have masks and gloves at hospital, in pharmacy, we stopped selling it as one request, but one can only buy certain amount per day and is hard to find now. But fed did give us 2 recyclable masks per person in Japan, which apparently cost 467 million USD to distribute this 2 masks, which could have made apparently 5 million pills of Avigan, which we want to make just in case there is over shooting of allowed infection rates testing. There is easy testing kits available, but it is not that accurate apparently, either way we do not test everyone at hospital.

Mean while, we have 20000 beds ready now at Olympic village where sport players were supposed to sleep, two biggest hospital ships in world are there in Tokyo bay, avigans are being produced for us and for world (going to be shipped for free in may, I read for free), big medical company like omron, cannon etc are making life supporting equipment just incase among other preparation, and no matter what we will keep beds empty till Japan become like situation like in Italy, Spain or cities like New York etc. Things has to be ready before it get to that stage, which could happen if corona virus will not calm with summer arrival, but with hot nations having corona virus active. I do not know if weather can temporally fixed this epidemic?

With many natural disasters, we have different approach andi and each crisis, most important thing is to avoid collapse of hospital because what good is it if hospital is not functioning and just bunch of people rushing to hospitals, some just have cold, some are actually corona virus gathered in one place? It will be cluster infections. We did tell this to many nations back in January, we told west that we had zero case of SARS in Japan, and this virus is different, also we told west about masks, but they did not listen till now. Each country has different approach and we do it mixed approach, we do not take it as far as Sweden, but we do not take it as far as west, we do it mix focusing on avoiding death by protecting infrastructure both in medical field and also to save economy as finance also save many lives not in Japan, but around world, so big companies has to go on, so they don't have to fire people especially in poorer countries where government subsidies are none or limited.

We are all in this shit hole, soon Japans health care system too can be like in certain European nations and also in some cities in USA like New York, and we are getting ready together with major companies, but there will be limitation with how much we can stand if there is over shoot of people with heavy symptoms. Let see how many avigan and I hear one more medicine we can make in meantime and how many life supporting equipment etc we can make before this will happen.

It is mass media trying to direct focus from their own nations mess in hospital, infrastructure and crazy death rates, I mean so far we are doing much better than other nations and we are the one who is helping them, so it will be nice if mass media worry about their own country with so much death where they even have mass grave and hospitals are not functioning to the extent they have shortage of masks, glove, life supporting equipment etc. We worry about them and put our head down trying to help like producing medicines and give it for free, western media should stop harassing Japan because we will do lock down, but we need to keep mega international companies alive to support employment globally to save lives in financial way, also to produce medicines partly for world, and life saving equipment. Media just pick something on surface and turn it all around to make it sound scandalous to fool masses that are not educated. There is reason why companies are still going in Japan, and it is not because we are workaholic, even work loving people will not love works more than corona.

[Mursenary]

What about the horror in Hart island NYC, for poor people nobody ask for. What about fridge trucks in streets. What about hospitals missing oxygen, equipment. Unfortunately, sadly, facts.

Terrible things for sure, but they are anecdotal. Those sensational stories do not reflect the actual epidemiology of the disease. The numbers don't lie; the USA has better numbers regarding death rates than most of western Europe. I think as men, we should be able to look at the data rather than be influenced by sensational, heartstring tugging stories. And the numbers say that America Is keeping people alive at a greater rate than most of the EU, only 57 deaths per 1 million people where EU nations overall average twice that number.

You keep referencing New York City stories but I'll say it again, New York City is doing terrible but New York City only represents less that 0.3 percent of the entire United States. As much as the media and Europeans talk terribly about our healthcare system, the fact remains, we are doing a much better job treating the sick during this pandemic than most European nations. That's a statistical fact.

I think Europeans need to worry about Europe's terrible death rates in comparison to how Americans are doing, which is objectively better than most EU nations.

[Mr Ho]

Well, I've actually studied at a top 5 or top 3 Asian university at graduate level. Not that it matters.

But there is a cultural difference in relation to fear of authorities. If you as a worker show below average results, your chances to get a promotion falls rapidly. Of course this has been taken even further in China with its 1 party ruling system. But it is also a pan-east-Asian ideology stemming from Confucianism, Taoism and even Shintoism.

Hiding is also an elusive term. You can either directly hide something, or you can deliberately look away. I have sometimes also myself used the cliche of doing something I was not allowed to in order to reach my goal.

Well you certainly did not study in the university or did not study enough if you think Japan like like China in area of foreign affairs. Japan is the one of very few and most reliable trusted nation in the world, and this is not matter of preference, but it is true. And please, don't judge based on one event you saw on mass media.

However, you are wrong about Japan being overly scared and that is the problem here. Comparison to west, Japan is not scared as we should be as much as western nations. So you are wrong about it and I hope you are right because we should be more scared. However, we are handling the situation better in hospitals as far as death goes because we focus more on protecting life then infections, so we don't test everyone for many reasons.

As for lock down, we won't do 100 percent anyways to protect safety net for people as we have to protect mega companies like Toyota, Sony, Panasonic, you know hundred of names and list continues to support employees around world, they have to go on to some extent because they act as consistent life support in financial way by paying salary to people globally including emerging nations where people cannot depend on their government subsidies. Japan is different to west, we tend to not like firing people because we see companies as consistent safety net for people.

Look, different country has different approach, some are more radical than others, Japan choose to do more balanced method keeping hospitals alive, so it is functioning to save life, and have enough equipment and medicines for people like Avigan, and masks etc to protect hospital staffs at the same time some factories are still operating like cannon and omron making life supporting devices and some companies like Toyota etc are restructuring their factory to make life supporting devices just in case rainy days will come. Our infrastructure is working well to save lives as of now, but we are scared it may collapse like Europe or USA if this virus continue on. According to Yahoo and Google around 70 percent decrease on movement of people in Tokyo so let see.

I did not say safety of health care staffs, I said health care infrastructure as in hospital no longer can hold patients coming in due to lack of equipment like life supporting systems or even masks etc. Which happened to Europe, where they had to decide who get life support system equipment or not and who is left to die simply because they do not have enough equipment. That is why we do not test everyone here to stop the spread in hospital and also to keep bed free and equipment free etc. For more rainy days to come, which we are trying to avoid.

And hey, shintoism? You know that Japan is not religious country, shinto is just there, we do not worship it on daily basis or adapt it in decision making. It is beautiful to look at shrines and people preserve it and go there for new year, but we do not have attachment to shinto religion because we are not religious, we have bunch of church too, but religion is deeply considered in decision making, we are more west, but more organization and disciplined. You think if we stick to religions Japan would have developed with all these mega international companies and with so many nobel award winners in chemistry and physics? We are not religious though we do respect each religions, we just do not follow it strongly.

[Pessimist]

Each country has different approach, but testing everyone including mild symptom patients lead to destruction of health care system and also spread of virus, which will lead to more death.

Focusing on avoiding death, protecting health care system for only heavy symptom patients and protecting economy by doing balanced shut down is how we tackles the issue here. It is different to how it was, but we live quite normal here still.

Also government ordered fuji film to produce more Avigan to stock up for us and also we are giving it for free to 20 countries including Germany as they decided to use it to treat patient there and also we are producing more devices like lung support equipments, life suppor equipment just in case there will be more critical patients.

The worst thing it can happen is destruction of health care system like it happened in many nations where hospital had to decide who will be given life support equipment as they did not have enough etc, so testing all the people will lead to more death and more infections at hospitals while they are waiting etc. But each nation has different approach, but like with masks, we told them for long time including WHO, but they did not listen till last week finally deciding it is effective. Testing everybody is not good idea.

It is inaccurate to think that testing people with mild symptoms over burdens the health system. If you think about it, most people have mild symptoms for a few days before they become more serious. Testing someone with serious symptoms will ensure that person can get into the hospital but in those few days that guy would have infected many other people. If he had been confirmed with Corona earlier he could have self isolated and not infected others.

The point of testing is to know who is infected and so that those people can be quarantined and will not infect other people in the society.

In US and many other countries, hospitals are admitting Corona patients *only when the patient develops serious respiratory troubles*. Even when they tested positive and have fever and cough, they are being told to self isolate at home and take medicines to treat the symptoms. If hospitals are over burdened that is because there are many seriously infected patients. I think your understanding of this topic needs a little adjustment in my view. You are lucky that infections are low in Japan so far, I hope that stays that way. But as I wrote earlier, things can change. Germany had low death count but in the last 10 days the number of deaths in Germany almost quadrupled. It is arrogant to think any country they has defeated this disease already. It is not over yet.