General Info

[Bob Bowie]

I could be quarantined at home by myself or in the Philippines with some beautiful Pinays. Not a hard choice.

FYI. The supermarkets are filled with friendly, single moms happy to entertain a nice foreigner.

My condo has no problem with visitors.

[Gargano19]

Viets would disagree with that. They think Hanoi folk are hard necked scammers.

Viets are biggest scammers in SE asia.

1. They never return change, unless you ask.

2. Only se asia country where I have seen pick-pocketing in tourist areas.

3. Mobiles were stolen in restaurant tables by bike riders. Owner said it's pretty common here.

I have seen people getting ripped off in clubs by over priced drinks, or become victim of known tourist s scams. But I had never seen crimes happening so blatantly, until I went to latin America.

[Sammon]

Listening to experts.

1. Targeted medication.

2. Prophylactic medicine.

3. Vaccine.

Targeted medicine maybe available soon. Mongers cannot trust girls and girls will not trust us. Assuming pussy to penis transfer of virus does not take place sex will be strictly mechanical. Dip, release and go. You definitely do not want to end up in the hospital and get treated and released. You and the girl can be tested if there is a quick saliva or nose swab test by that time widely available. Even then many cannot take the risk of ending up in a foreign hospital.

Prophylactic medicine will go a long way for us mongers for the duration of the trip. Maybe make sure girl is also pre medicated.

Vaccine is the cure all to get back to normal.

[Goferring]

Mongers are hoping that the airlines are willing to take further huge losses to fly planes with a few mongers onboard to the backwaters where they practice the old in-and-out with LBFMs. They neglect the fact that the airlines are screaming bloody murder in response to demands that they refund the cash paid for tickets on all those cancelled flights to mongering destinations.

You're making the big assumption that Mongers will be able to leave home in the first place.

The world tourism industry is on its knees and governments have introduced bailout plans in the billions of dollars. It's no surprise that they are keen to relax local travel and holiday restrictions but there is no rush to allow all those dollars disappear on an overseas holiday.

7NEWS.com.au: The coronavirus international travel ban could remain until 2021.

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-...-2021-c-972446

[Engine Driver]

One good thing to come out of the Wuhan bat virus is that the West has woken up to the fact that it has been totally reliant on communist China for just about every manufactured good. There is a vague political commitment in my country to restart manufacturing at least essential medicines and equipment at home. There is also a grassroots campaign to avoid (as much as possible) buying anything made in China.

The Philippines call centre business will also take a massive hit soon. Many of the major airline, energy and financial services companies in my country were caught out big time when their outsourced call centres could not operate because Filipinos were forced into isolation. Thousands of irate customers could not access their accounts in a time of urgent need. There is pressure now to bring all those call centres back home.

Another funny thing is that people are spending extraordinary amounts of money on brand name handbags and accessories made in Italy (Prada, Fendi, Gucci etc) thinking that Italian craftsmen are in workshops toiling away. They think generations of Italians have been taught by their fathers in leatherwork, in traditional workshops, in processes unchanged in 150 years. Little do they know that these 'luxury' bags are almost all made by cheap imported Chinese labourers brought over and forced to work in sweatshops in northern Italy. There are about 300,000 Chinese workers in Italy. You can work out why Italy was so badly affected by the Wuhan virus. At least those bags are correctly labelled 'Made in Italy'.

[Chocha Monger]

It is really tripping me out how people in various threads are acting like this is just a normal holiday where everything is closed and tomorrow when the holiday is over everything will go back to normal. Well it is not that. It is economic destruction. First you have to understand like you said that the days of just waltzing up into a country are over. Then you have to realize that many people are out of work, which means people will not have money to travel as they did before. Nobody is going to send a plane loaded with 10 people to the Philippines, Thailand, Dominican Republic, Brazil, Colombia, or any other place that mongers like to frequent. No hotel is going to open its doors to only service 3 mongers that just came into town.

There is supply and demand at work. Here in Pattaya pretty much everything that does not deal with food is shut down. Many hotels are closed. Many bars, massage parlors, salons are now even empty of their furnishings, which means they do not plan to open again. All the workers (including sex workers) have gone back to their villages. It will not be like tomorrow this thing is over and the place just fills up with tourists and workers again. It will be starting from zero; just like when it was a fishing village. It will take a gradual buildup. You are not going to get a bunch of girls with no mongers but it appears mongers are willing to go somewhere in hopes there will be girls there. Then if you do come in contact with the girls they are going to be afraid to catch something from you. The clubs and bars around here can not just pop back open because the owners do not have money to pay workers since they will have been closed the last few months. And who would even open a bar or club or hotel etc without any customers to patronize them?.

Some mongers are overly optimistic about their prospects for BBFSCIP with LBFMs in the coming months. They have not factored in the global recession that will follow the Wuhan bat virus pandemic. Many mongers just saw their pension funds go poof! Others are unemployed in the soup lines. This is just the beginning of the financial chaos that is to come as corporations make further deep cuts to payroll as demand for their products take a further dive. I suggest that financially literate mongers look at what happened to sales and demand in the auto manufacturing and financing industry to get an idea of what awaits in the next six months. Mongers do not know it yet but they will be too busy trying to feed and house themselves to worry about attempting to return to Flipsville and LOS to hunt for cut rate BBFSCIP with starving LBFMs.

Mongers are hoping that the airlines are willing to take further huge losses to fly planes with a few mongers onboard to the backwaters where they practice the old in-and-out with LBFMs. They neglect the fact that the airlines are screaming bloody murder in response to demands that they refund the cash paid for tickets on all those cancelled flights to mongering destinations. In reality, not only are the planes grounded and the pilots out of a job, the support services that make sure those planes are in shape to fly safely are in dire straits. Most mongers do not have the cash to pay $20,000 USD for a charter flight from Hoboken, NJ to Manila or Bangkok.

If quarantines remain in place, mongers will arrive in Manila or LOS and spend 14 days in quarantine, which is their entire annual two-week vacation. Another 14 days in quarantine upon returning home will follow. During this time the monger's employer will terminate him for failure to return from vacation on time due to his personal decision to go on a vacation without enough time on the books to cover the quarantine requirements. A high price to pay for going in search of BBFSCIP with LBFMs.

The best looking hookers will decide to play it safe and may not want to meet unknown mongers who may be infected. This will lower the quality available to mongers who are making bigger investments to fly to backwaters for BBFSCIP with ugly desperate LBFMs. Mongers are kidding themselves if they think Flips and Thais will not blame foreigners for bringing their virus to their countries. They should expect some resentment from the natives for the foreseeable future. Pretty girls are not going to be falling line for potential coronavirus cream pies from random foreigners with marshmallow cocks.

Hotels in the Philippines may maintain their restrictions on guests bringing in random LBFMs for bodily fluid exchanges that could potentially leave behind huge viral loads on beds and furniture in their rooms. Mongers may find themselves and their hobby unwelcome at reputable lodging establishments.

Will prostitution continue during and after the pandemic? Yes. There are mongers and hookers who disregard lockdowns, quarantines, and social distancing protocols to conduct high-risk sexual transactions at great danger to themselves and others.

[PedroMorales]

Frankly I have never felt I was being scammed in Vietnam unless it was very obvious..

Viets would disagree with that. They think Hanoi folk are hard necked scammers.

[Goferring]

I think Chocha Monger exaggerates.

The Asian Financial Crisis, AIDS, SARS, 9/11, Volcanos, Sunamis, Earthquakes : tourism and hookers survive them all. If anything, prices dropped during the panics, for those brave enough to hunt off season.

Sure, recoveries were not overnight but pussy remained for sale.

Enjoy. G.

[PedroMorales]

I think Chocha Monger exaggerates. The airlines and others that survive will need passengers and will give good deals literally to put bums on seats. I stayed in 5* Egyptian hotels after the Israeli tourists were moved down ($5 a night and the same for an all day taxi). After World war 1, German housewives sold themselves for pennies, as did Greeks after their economy went oops.

Let us not also forget Angeles bounced back after being covered in sludge.

Duterte aside, the supply will be there but what of the demand? Woen have been selling themselves ever since the devil banged Eve in The Garden of Eden so the game will continue. But where? The corona virus is just one more massive inconvenience on top of many others. I think it is time to shop local but the corner store does not provide the same products. With supply chains down, they are out of LBFMs.

[Mr Enternational]

Most definitely, the game has changed. The days when mongers boarded a flight, landed in Flipsville, and whipped their cocks out for service are over. It is anyone's guess if the good old days of BBFSCIP on arrival will ever return. Even when flights resume they will be pricey and there may be tighter entry restrictions and quarantine requirements. The Wuhan virus has not fully ravaged the Philippines yet. When the mass burials begin, mongers should expect increasingly draconian measures to fight the outbreak. Mongers creaming in their hands in anticipation of returning to LBFM Paradise should curb their enthusiasm and accept that it is not going to be more fun in the Philippines for quite some time.

It is really tripping me out how people in various threads are acting like this is just a normal holiday where everything is closed and tomorrow when the holiday is over everything will go back to normal. Well it is not that. It is economic destruction. First you have to understand like you said that the days of just waltzing up into a country are over. Then you have to realize that many people are out of work, which means people will not have money to travel as they did before. Nobody is going to send a plane loaded with 10 people to the Philippines, Thailand, Dominican Republic, Brazil, Colombia, or any other place that mongers like to frequent. No hotel is going to open its doors to only service 3 mongers that just came into town.

There is supply and demand at work. Here in Pattaya pretty much everything that does not deal with food is shut down. Many hotels are closed. Many bars, massage parlors, salons are now even empty of their furnishings, which means they do not plan to open again. All the workers (including sex workers) have gone back to their villages. It will not be like tomorrow this thing is over and the place just fills up with tourists and workers again. It will be starting from zero; just like when it was a fishing village. It will take a gradual buildup. You are not going to get a bunch of girls with no mongers but it appears mongers are willing to go somewhere in hopes there will be girls there. Then if you do come in contact with the girls they are going to be afraid to catch something from you. The clubs and bars around here can not just pop back open because the owners do not have money to pay workers since they will have been closed the last few months. And who would even open a bar or club or hotel etc without any customers to patronize them?

Here we have guys planning when they are going to so and so and what they are going to do when they get there. All that stuff is subject to be shut down IF you can even get there. I am lucky that I have had my place here for the last 10 years, so I have all my creature comforts and everything set up just how I like it. There is no way I would want to be a tourist here at this time. You go get food and you go back to the place you are staying. I am sure that it stinks to high heaven. Shit, I do not have any earthly idea how I am going to even get back to the States when time comes. I can not just say I will go on June 10, because I have no idea if there will be any flights then if this virus shit is even over by then. I will just cross that bridge when I get to it. Any plans that you think you are making now are moot until this pandemic is over and things get sorted out.

[Goferring]

I used to go to the Philippines regularly. That stopped when my daughter insisted that I go to Vietnam for a trip together with her....

Goferring, If you have some specific questions shoot me a PM.

Nut.

Thanks for that. I have shot you a PM with some Q's but an enjoyable few hours or days sounds a lot better to me than a cascade of 40 minute hit and runs.

G.

[Amanut]

I used to go to the Philippines regularly. That stopped when my daughter insisted that I go to Vietnam for a trip together with her. I had concerns primarily around language. We quickly learned the Google Translate is your friend. Problem solved. She was a great teacher. She came from Aus. And I from Canada. We met in Hanoi. Over the course of 30 days, we did planes, trains, and automobiles from Hanoi to Saigon and into Cambodia. If your looking for an interesting cultural trip this is a great place to come. I am primarily a dating site guy, but once you know a Vietnamese woman she will offer ideas of where to travel together and have actually been there herself as compared to a Filipina who has just heard of a place and wants to see it. The next time I came back I spent a lot of time on the dating sites. I eventually met a few ladies that were interested in meeting and spending time together. They are more work, but at the same time I found them more attractive and once you have established a report They are enthusiastic open minded lovers.

My thoughts are:

The transportation system in Vietnam is far superior to the Philippines.

Your not paying first world prices in a third world hotel, plus most hotels have a pretty good breakfast included.

The food is far superior to the Philippines. Even street food is spectacular.

Morning iced coffee and chats with other customers watching the streets come alive are enlightening.

Flights are affordable and regular although your taking your chances on being late with VietJET.

The closeness of the beaches makes it more attractive even for a day trip.

Frankly I have never felt I was being scammed in Vietnam unless it was very obvious.

I was going back again in February after I was there in October except for this pesky virus. Hopefully September.

I am finding that with the virus issues and income challenges, more ladies are overtly suggesting a mutual trip with her for fiscal rewards.

Goferring, If you have some specific questions shoot me a PM.

Nut.

[Goferring]

Comparing Phi and Viet is useless for mongering. Firstly the problem is the language. Unless you live there and cultivate friendships you will not get the cream of the crop....
Economy in Vietnam has greatly improved and less and less girls are in prostitution unlike Philippines. In Philippines we have exploding population which works in our favor.

Few years ago I did some business there and had business contacts. They arranged some nice girls. But none would allow BBFS. They would stay LT.

Thanks for that. I guessed that the scene in VND is almost industrial. '000's of serious lookers available on kynu, hot tocs etc conveyor belts but for 45 minutes, with a list of in / exclusions. Normally, I enjoy a much more relaxed session.

Thanks again. G.

[Sammon]

I'm debating whether to extend my post Convid19 trip to Philiipnes or add a side excursion to Vietnam.

I've been to Vietnam before and had a great time but it was over 10 years ago.

So far research has identified:

Philippines has a greater opportunity for BBFS, LT, part timers and I already know my way around, have contacts etc.

Vietnam has generally better looking girls at all price points, copious opportunities for very cheap 45 minute HJ / BJ / FS sessions, more expensive and less common LT options and it would be something different.

Anyone else care to compare or contrast the two options? Any major points that I may have missed?

Thanks. G.

Comparing Phi and Viet is useless for mongering. Firstly the problem is the language. Unless you live there and cultivate friendships you will not get the cream of the crop. Most good looking girls are taken by Chinese who are entrenched in Vietnam. Yes, there are many.

Entertainment venues and girls but you are not going to Find Philippine warmth and friendship.

Economy in Vietnam has greatly improved and less and less girls are in prostitution unlike Philippines. In Philippines we have exploding population which works in our favor.

Few years ago I did some business there and had business contacts. They arranged some nice girls. But none would allow BBFS. They would stay LT.

[Goferring]

I'm debating whether to extend my post Convid19 trip to Philiipnes or add a side excursion to Vietnam.

I've been to Vietnam before and had a great time but it was over 10 years ago.

So far research has identified:

Philippines has a greater opportunity for BBFS, LT, part timers and I already know my way around, have contacts etc.

Vietnam has generally better looking girls at all price points, copious opportunities for very cheap 45 minute HJ / BJ / FS sessions, more expensive and less common LT options and it would be something different.

Anyone else care to compare or contrast the two options? Any major points that I may have missed?

Thanks. G.