Seeking Arrangements

[Akibono]

I know I chimed on this issue a few times already, but I'll chime in again. Sorry.

Here are my stats. I have had 23-25 arrangements. I would say that about one-quarter discovered my real identity *on their own*. Here's how I know. First, several of them viewed me on LinkedIn. If you have LinkedIn, you know when someone views your profile. Second, a couple of them added me or contacted me on their chat apps, like WhatsApp or something similar to that. Apps can "talk" to each other and share contact lists.

So, I was found, even though I tried hard to be anonymous. I never use my own car, I always use cash, I never bring any cards with my name on it, and I use Hushed, which allows me to chat and call anonymously. I guess if I had a burner phone, then the second way they discovered my identity could have been prevented.

But I honestly think that if any gal wants to figure out who I really am, then they can. But I guess this depends on your web presence and how much you use social media. For example, if you use LinkedIn or Facebook or Twitter whatever, then you are easy to find. And, if you have a significant web presence, then you are easy to find. I am a nobody, but there maybe dozens of websites that have my name on it, and many with my picture on it. In fact, I specifically asked one gal, who found my LinkedIn after a brief meet and greet, how she discovered my true identity, and she just said, "it was pretty easy. ".

So, all that said, I think the key is to not lie unnecessarily. Do not lie about your marital status, do not make false promises, and do not lie about what you're looking for. For example, don't lead them on into thinking this might lead to marriage, for example. This way, they will have no reason to hunt you down later. But do lie about your name..

Lots of great information here. How do you end an allowance or a longer term ppm without a girl getting jealous? After all, she has gotten used to a nice lifestyle.

[The Cane]

Finally, you might eventually think that some of the gals are trustworthy and you may eventually voluntarily reveal your real identity, thinking that it's okay. This is a mistake. I did voluntarily tell a few of them my real name. Here's what happened. Three later went psycho on me (bad outcome).

Wondering what that means? Are you able to elaborate? It would be interesting to know what happened.

[Midwestern]

I have been on SA and other sugar babe sites for four years, have had several dozens of arrangements, both in my home city and on the road and have never had anyone either tell me, email me, text or phone me to intimate that they know my real identity.

How many arrangements have you had, how long have you been on SA or other such sites, and how many times has your identity been blown? How many girls employed PIs to pursue you?

It would be helpful to know some real numbers. I have presented my numbers. You implied it is easy to have identity blown. Was it guess work or did it actually happen to you?

Also, what exactly do you mean by "be as honest as possible"? Are you saying that you should tell her your real name, home address and and whatever else because she could figure them out anyway? I tell them very honestly that the nickname I use is not my real name, that she can never hope to have any relationship with me and it is strictly monetary and any other info about me is not her real business. That is as honest as I can ever be.

I know I chimed on this issue a few times already, but I'll chime in again. Sorry.

Here are my stats. I have had 23-25 arrangements. I would say that about one-quarter discovered my real identity *on their own*. Here's how I know. First, several of them viewed me on LinkedIn. If you have LinkedIn, you know when someone views your profile. Second, a couple of them added me or contacted me on their chat apps, like WhatsApp or something similar to that. Apps can "talk" to each other and share contact lists.

So, I was found, even though I tried hard to be anonymous. I never use my own car, I always use cash, I never bring any cards with my name on it, and I use Hushed, which allows me to chat and call anonymously. I guess if I had a burner phone, then the second way they discovered my identity could have been prevented.

But I honestly think that if any gal wants to figure out who I really am, then they can. But I guess this depends on your web presence and how much you use social media. For example, if you use LinkedIn or Facebook or Twitter whatever, then you are easy to find. And, if you have a significant web presence, then you are easy to find. I am a nobody, but there maybe dozens of websites that have my name on it, and many with my picture on it. In fact, I specifically asked one gal, who found my LinkedIn after a brief meet and greet, how she discovered my true identity, and she just said, "it was pretty easy. ".

So, all that said, I think the key is to not lie unnecessarily. Do not lie about your marital status, do not make false promises, and do not lie about what you're looking for. For example, don't lead them on into thinking this might lead to marriage, for example. This way, they will have no reason to hunt you down later. But do lie about your name.

Finally, you might eventually think that some of the gals are trustworthy and you may eventually voluntarily reveal your real identity, thinking that it's okay. This is a mistake. I did voluntarily tell a few of them my real name. Here's what happened. Three later went psycho on me (bad outcome). One became a pretty good friend (good outcome). Two eventually disappeared from my life (good outcome). So, 3 out 6 had a bad outcome. I honestly think these are representative and typical odds. So, given these odds, then is it worth it? I don't think so. Keep in mind that the gals on SA are not the most emotionally and mentally stable gals, on average. So, it is in our best interest to remain anonymous. Also, keep in mind that because most of these gals are not pros, some of them will eventually develop real feelings for you. These are the gals that will bring drama to you later. So best to stay anonymous.

[DramaFree11]

I have been on SA and other sugar babe sites for four years, have had several dozens of arrangements, both in my home city and on the road and have never had anyone either tell me, email me, text or phone me to intimate that they know my real identity.

How many arrangements have you had, how long have you been on SA or other such sites, and how many times has your identity been blown? How many girls employed PIs to pursue you?

It would be helpful to know some real numbers. I have presented my numbers. You implied it is easy to have identity blown. Was it guess work or did it actually happen to you?

Also, what exactly do you mean by "be as honest as possible"? Are you saying that you should tell her your real name, home address and and whatever else because she could figure them out anyway? I tell them very honestly that the nickname I use is not my real name, that she can never hope to have any relationship with me and it is strictly monetary and any other info about me is not her real business. That is as honest as I can ever be.

Off and on for about 5 years. Usually I get pissed off and quit. I get tired of the lies and b. S. I have probably met 40-60 girls, with some good success.

Honestly, I real do lot like messing with American girls, they just do not measure up to Latins and Euros. The more I avoid American Chicks the happier I am. I am not sure I will get back on in the states. I do use in Mexico, with some great success. I am meet a much higher quality person and much less b. S.

Yes, just give them your first name and if there is something you do no want to talk about just tell them that. I know that several girls have looked me up on Social Media, I am not active on Social Media so no big deal. Again, be as honest as you can, it will prevent headaches down the road. If you are real that paranoid about your identity, then I would not us SA, as I said it is just not secure. Arrangements are a huge paper trail. Get an Escort, go to Tijuana or Germany.

[Steve 9696]

I am glad I found this thread having been in ISG for a few years and SA for the past 1. 5 years.

My hotel conversation goes like this:

ME: Hi, do you have a room for tonight?

THEM: Let me check. Yes, we have a queen room for two for a promotion rate of $xx. Would you like to book that?

ME: Yes that sounds good. Is there any chance the room will be available early? I need to freshen up before a few meetings later.

Or.

ME: I'm in the area now, any chance I can get access to the room this morning.

If the hotel has less than full occupancy the previous night it is more likely. Earlier in the week is also more likely to be successful, especially Monday mornings.

My current SA status is that I'm in the interview period for a new girl to carry me through the next few months. Genuine girls do get snapped up quickly or they get burned off by the idiots. So it's important to move fast. This week I've trialled two SB candidates and next week it looks like two others. I pay them for the trial fuck of course. I will settle on one for ongoing weekly meets at her place.

Good tips. Yeah I am thrilled to see this thread so active. Thanks to Midwestern for starting it. I go to ISG everyday to read the latest. Used to go to German FKK Chat but it's all Corona virus now. Bangkok there is a little still happening. Medellin thread is still killing with a couple guys banging chicks right and left. But it's great to see this thread with vibrant and useful activity.

That reminds me — tip of the day. We all know SA girls can be selective — I always want to look my best. Secret weapon is Lumify eye drops. Viagra makes my eyes super red which makes me look the part of dirty old man where I prefer "seasoned suitor"! Anyhow one drop in each eye and literally in two minutes your eyes are bright white. It's amazing.

[PilotPaul]

I am curious about how you discussed your 10 AM arrival for your requirements with the hotel? I would think most chains would not be down with "I need a room for a couple hours of fucking at 10 AM". So how did you phrase this and get such an early checkin?
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I am glad I found this thread having been in ISG for a few years and SA for the past 1. 5 years.

My hotel conversation goes like this:

ME: Hi, do you have a room for tonight?

THEM: Let me check. Yes, we have a queen room for two for a promotion rate of $xx. Would you like to book that?

ME: Yes that sounds good. Is there any chance the room will be available early? I need to freshen up before a few meetings later.

Or.

ME: I'm in the area now, any chance I can get access to the room this morning.

If the hotel has less than full occupancy the previous night it is more likely. Earlier in the week is also more likely to be successful, especially Monday mornings.

My current SA status is that I'm in the interview period for a new girl to carry me through the next few months. Genuine girls do get snapped up quickly or they get burned off by the idiots. So it's important to move fast. This week I've trialled two SB candidates and next week it looks like two others. I pay them for the trial fuck of course. I will settle on one for ongoing weekly meets at her place.

[Pessimist]

You guys and trying to stay anonymous. SA is not secure at all. A lot of these girls are desperate and crazy. I think being overly cautious about your identity can trigger a girl to do some research. I thing you should be as honest as possible, try not to give off any red flags. I would say any decent PI could figure your identity out for couple hundred bucks, probably less from an SA profile and phone number.

I am not talking about you Steve, your know what you are doing, but some of these other guys take it too another level.

I have been on SA and other sugar babe sites for four years, have had several dozens of arrangements, both in my home city and on the road and have never had anyone either tell me, email me, text or phone me to intimate that they know my real identity.

How many arrangements have you had, how long have you been on SA or other such sites, and how many times has your identity been blown? How many girls employed PIs to pursue you?

It would be helpful to know some real numbers. I have presented my numbers. You implied it is easy to have identity blown. Was it guess work or did it actually happen to you?

Also, what exactly do you mean by "be as honest as possible"? Are you saying that you should tell her your real name, home address and and whatever else because she could figure them out anyway? I tell them very honestly that the nickname I use is not my real name, that she can never hope to have any relationship with me and it is strictly monetary and any other info about me is not her real business. That is as honest as I can ever be.

[DramaFree11]

The account is set up under my Steve alis. So yeah when I get in they say "are you Steve" and I go huh? Oh yeah. Steve. That's me!

They have a thing now where you can put peoples names and addresses in. So when I send an Uber for Krystal I assume they ask for Krystal tho I never checked.

It can be a bit of a pain on pick-up because the driver goes to the wrong building or whatever and there is drama hooking them up. But that's only sometimes. I still like it on balance.

When I first call it I screen cap the driver and route page and text it to her. And then give her arrival updates as I sip my G&T.

P.S. Obviously I have a real credit card with my real name asssocisted with paying the Uber bill so some guys may not like that part. I decided I like the tradeoff. I originally made the account for myself since Uber tracks all your trips and you cannot delete history. Only later started using it for pickups.

You guys and trying to stay anonymous. SA is not secure at all. A lot of these girls are desperate and crazy. I think being overly cautious about your identity can trigger a girl to do some research. I thing you should be as honest as possible, try not to give off any red flags. I would say any decent PI could figure your identity out for couple hundred bucks, probably less from an SA profile and phone number.

I am not talking about you Steve, your know what you are doing, but some of these other guys take it too another level.

[Steve 9696]

For this to work, don't you have to give her your name? Even if you don't, the driver knows your name, and so she could just ask for it from him.

The account is set up under my Steve aliás. So yeah when I get in they say "are you Steve" and I go huh? Oh yeah. Steve. That's me!

They have a thing now where you can put peoples names and addresses in. So when I send an Uber for Krystal I assume they ask for Krystal tho I never checked.

It can be a bit of a pain on pick-up because the driver goes to the wrong building or whatever and there is drama hooking them up. But that's only sometimes. I still like it on balance.

When I first call it I screen cap the driver and route page and text it to her. And then give her arrival updates as I sip my G&T.

P.S. Obviously I have a real credit card with my real name asssocisted with paying the Uber bill so some guys may not like that part. I decided I like the tradeoff. I originally made the account for myself since Uber tracks all your trips and you cannot delete history. Only later started using it for pickups.

[BodyAnybody]

For this to work, don't you have to give her your name? Even if you don't, the driver knows your name, and so she could just ask for it from him.

You can actually enter another person's name when you order an uber ride. With that said, I would have other more important concerns about letting someone into my house if I do not even trust her with my first name.

[Midwestern]

I actually love sending an Uber for the girl. Sure it adds $50 roundtrip or something but it feels badass to send a car. Plus since it's on your Uber (I have a separate Uber acct for this) you can track her arrival. None of this "I am half way there" BS. And you can meet her at the curb when she pulls up. It's just kinda awesome. And being the sappy guy I am I track them till they are home safe. Just feels awesome all around IMO.

For this to work, don't you have to give her your name? Even if you don't, the driver knows your name, and so she could just ask for it from him.

[DramaFree11]

I actually love sending an Uber for the girl. Sure it adds $50 roundtrip or something but it feels badass to send a car. Plus since it's on your Uber (I have a separate Uber acct for this) you can track her arrival. None of this "I am half way there" BS. And you can meet her at the curb when she pulls up. It's just kinda awesome. And being the sappy guy I am I track them till they are home safe. Just feels awesome all around IMO.

Good point, I usually offer to pay half, but I do not fight over UBER anymore.

[Steve 9696]

I agree with you on every point. I was just saying that they (in their minds) may have a legit reason for asking to get paid at the meet and greet, but that it did not matter to me. I now *never* pay for a meet and greet. Like I said, I tried it a few times, but never again. And yes, I too have been asked about paying for their uber, but if they are that poor then I will either pick them up or I will let them suggest a very public meeting spot within their walking distance.

I actually love sending an Uber for the girl. Sure it adds $50 roundtrip or something but it feels badass to send a car. Plus since it's on your Uber (I have a separate Uber acct for this) you can track her arrival. None of this "I am half way there" BS. And you can meet her at the curb when she pulls up. It's just kinda awesome. And being the sappy guy I am I track them till they are home safe. Just feels awesome all around IMO.

[Midwestern]

I am afraid I need to disagree with you on your second paragraph MW. Again, this is strictly my take. You are an experienced sugar daddy, whatever works for you works for you. But those type of arguments from a girl "prove to me you are real, prove to me you are rich" are a huge turnoff and I tend to block them when I receive such replies. First, we need to prove nothing, least of all to girls who are ready to fuck for money. Secondly, throwing $100 does not prove one is rich. Even if I had $100 M, I would not pay $20 for a stick of chewing gum for example. You pay what something is worth, and I have a very strict principle that I will pay nothing for a meet and greet. I am paying for the drink or lunch, and that is enough.

Some girls say they don't have a car and ride and ask for Uber money. That is a legitimate request as it is indeed true that some of them have no money and no car. I offer them that I can pick them wherever they want to be picked, and we can drive to a restaurant near their house. Some object and say they cannot get into a car with a person they have not met yet. I tell them there is little I can do. If they cannot risk getting into a car with someone they do not know, I am not going to give money to a person I do not know yet.

I think giving money for a first time meet and greet is a slippery slope. But then again, this is my personal view.

I agree with you on every point. I was just saying that they (in their minds) may have a legit reason for asking to get paid at the meet and greet, but that it did not matter to me. I now *never* pay for a meet and greet. Like I said, I tried it a few times, but never again. And yes, I too have been asked about paying for their uber, but if they are that poor then I will either pick them up or I will let them suggest a very public meeting spot within their walking distance.

[Midwestern]

For me, the cost of hotels for meetups started to add up. So, eventually, I primarily dated SBs based on whether or not they had their own place for our meetups. Granted, most of these gals did not have their own place because they were too poor, or they had roommates. But if you can find these gals, it saves a lot on costs.